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post Aug 17 2009, 03:54 AM

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Rooney off to a flier already eh? Hope he can maintain it for long periods..
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post Aug 17 2009, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(The Hardest Thing In The World @ Aug 17 2009, 10:04 AM)
We still looked very average though but it's still just after one game so I wouldn't panic yet.
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I was expecting the game to open up, but almost everytime we have the ball, Birmingham had a lot of players, minus their striker(s) behind the ball. It's up to us of course to open them up, but first game of the season, had a couple of clear chances, and a fairly comfortable game, I would take the 3 points for now. Do remember last few seasons we couldn't score that much picking up 1-0's along the way till around the 10th game or so before we explode, but last season didn't really happen for us going forward. I'm expecting better this time around, but we are generally slow starters, so don't expect too much so soon. Half way through the season we still struggling, then maybe there's reason to panic, but looking at last night in patches, we still have a lot to show for. Valencia didn't play his best last night.. he played far better in pre-season, and I expect him to play far better.. his crosses were awesome in pre-season, last night it was a bit crap.. didn't have that much chance to cross though. And he need to work on his left foot, or what to do when he comes inside because he stop every time he move to the middle.. expecting better on that front as the season goes on and he adjust to the way our team moves..

QUOTE(Nic87_Lowyat @ Aug 17 2009, 10:52 AM)
Yeah .. me too ...
do u think our new obertan 27 can be better than valencia 25 ??
hahaha ... if yes then i will worry about nani ...
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If the games so far are anything to go by, Nani have nothing to worry about. Valencia is pretty basic and straight forward, effective, but stoppable(let him come to the middle, he doesn't know what to do), while Nani is more unpredictable(although, that means the same for our strikers too). He has far more tricks than Valencia and his crosses when he hit them right are great too. If we want someone to change the game, we might look to him apart from the usual suspects. Let's hope that shoulder of his hold up.. gonna be a big season for him.

Park too should be safe although maybe he won't start as much as last season. But like in the CHelsea game showed, his movement is terrific.. if only he's a bit stronger, faster, have better control and composure, he would be a superb player. Well, nobody is perfect.

Can't wait for Obertan though.. people will love him when he starts going past people.
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post Aug 18 2009, 01:58 AM

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Aiya, no live ar for the next game? They usually only show one game(per day) right on weekdays? Bloody annoying.


Added on August 18, 2009, 2:02 amThey gonna show the CL qualifiers instead huh? Idiots.. arrgh. Only show one game lah, let the other channel show EPL games.

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post Aug 18 2009, 04:41 PM

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A few weeks back, it was this...
Vidic agent brushes off exit talk
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Nemanja Vidic's agent Silvano Martina has quashed speculation the Manchester United defender will leave Old Trafford this summer.

The Serbia international has been linked Barcelona, AC Milan and Inter Milan amid reports his family are unsettled in Manchester.

However, the player is under contract at Old Trafford until 2012 and Martina believes he will stay put.

"Even though Vidic has not spoken for the last three months, there have been false interviews published in the press," Martina told Gazzetta dello Sport.

"I read that he wants to leave, that his wife is not happy at Manchester but all of these stories are false.

"He is very annoyed and saddened by these stories that give the wrong impression.

"In football you never know what can happen, but I believe he will remain at Manchester United, one of the strongest clubs in the world.

"If Vidic or I should have problems with the club (United), we will talk directly to Alex Ferguson and not to the newspapers."

Vidic joined United in January 2006 after two years at Spartak Moscow.
http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...5412124,00.html


But then what is this? Which is which? None of the other websites run this story.

Vidic dreams of playing for Barcelona, says agent Source: Soccernet

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Manchester United centre-back Nemanja Vidic is reportedly on the radar of Barcelona and would love to play for the Spanish club one day, according to his agent.

Vidic: Dreams of a Nou Camp move?

The Serbian has been one of the star performers in the Premier League and is one of the first names on the teamsheet for United manager Sir Alex Ferguson.

The 27-year-old defender, who joined the Red Devils from Spartak Moscow in January 2006, has been linked with a transfer to Europe this summer and, although the Old Trafford outfit are reluctant to let him leave, the defender's agent has hinted he could be keen on a move.

"Vidic would be delighted to play at Barca as his dream is to go to the Spanish league," [B]Paolo Fabbri[/B] told Catalan radio station RAC1.

"We have to analyse the situation but, being realistic, things are complicated at the moment.

"The team just lost Cristiano Ronaldo and [Carlos] Tevez and they do not want to lose another important piece of their starting XI once again."
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post Aug 18 2009, 04:51 PM

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Ronaldo chapter already got that 'the end' thing at the end, and Tevez too. Rooney will stay here for life, the other midfielders don't have big reputations, at the back Rio surely would end his career here, and you're left with Vida as their next target.
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post Aug 18 2009, 06:35 PM

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Maybe he thought tonight.. biggrin.gif

But still why the hell do they show the qualifiers!! Show only one enough lah each day, let the other channel show EPL stuff. Idiots!! It's a bloody qualifier!

Tomorrow morning:
ESPN - Celtic FC vs. Arsenal FC
Star Sports- Sporting Clube de Portugal vs. AFC Fiorentina

Thursday morning:
ESPN - Panathinaikos FC vs. Atletico de Madrid
Star Sports - Olympique Lyonnais vs. RSC Anderlecht

See Kuyt's reaction..
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post Aug 18 2009, 06:51 PM

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Scholes.. tepat2 100 huh? He's the master all right.
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post Aug 18 2009, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkantoi @ Aug 18 2009, 08:27 PM)
where do u get those stats? can share? icon_question.gif
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/create
Choose the season, team, then games, then click on player name, then choose the 'stats' you want. Got pass, shots, interception, blocks etc..


Added on August 18, 2009, 9:15 pmIt can take a while to load though.. so be a bit patient.

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post Aug 19 2009, 12:59 AM

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Not today lah, next morning one. 20th our date..
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post Aug 19 2009, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(IgnitedSoul @ Aug 19 2009, 01:10 PM)
why SAF doens't put macheda in the starting line-up is obviously due to his youth and being inexprience, i would brand him a Super-Sub mayb but not a regular for now. no Macheda is not a Ronaldo type few years back when C.Ron would be on the regular team when he was just 18! if berbatov were to get injured that is where Owen comes in and macheda would get benched and if worse comes to worse with both owen and berbatov out, then would call for a Wayne 1 man show on the font with 5 midfielders supporting him but i doubt SAF would use this, he would probably put Giggs back in Striker lol. thats mostly how i see it.
and no obviously you didn't watch the right match  sleep.gif
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Depending on the opposition, Macheda/Welbeck will play alongside one of the strikers. SAF trusted them last season, he would do so again this season with them getting more opportunities. And in the case of Macheda, he's physically ready to battle it out with big strong defenders. Welbeck might not play 90mins this season though.. from the international(youth) games and the recent reserve game, he only play 60-70 mins under instructions from us.
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post Aug 19 2009, 05:47 PM

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No wingers=shit. tongue.gif

It just doesn't work for us. Lack width.. and we're crap playing anything else.

As for Rooney, it will be interesting how he's deployed this season. Seems to have a bit more freedom to drift about compared to last season where he was the front man and has to stay there most of the time and Berba hanging behind him. But this season Berba is further forward than last season although he would still be our #10, with Rooney as the number #9 with a bit more freedom perhaps.. but then Mike Phelan just told that he need to stop wandering around so much and focus on being more central..
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post Aug 20 2009, 01:18 AM

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Nobody ran the story apart from a few. We know just early last July his agent denied the story linking him away. Guess it's time for him to renew his contract.. that's why got so many news flying around.
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post Aug 20 2009, 01:59 AM

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It's ESPN's fault.. those idiots don't have brains. Show one channel CL game and another delay, and the other channel show EPL lah. Fword stupid. It's a bloody qualifier which not many cares about!! duh.


Added on August 20, 2009, 2:01 amWe change our midfield again.. arrgh. Why can't he just play them all the time almost.

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post Aug 20 2009, 02:06 AM

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They come out 45mins before the game or so. Game is at 2:45.
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post Aug 20 2009, 02:22 AM

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Anyone got a reliable stream?
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post Aug 20 2009, 02:29 AM

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we've reached the maximum number of streams from your country... wtf
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That was a frustrating game to watch. Stupid loss really.. should at least got a draw.. but guess it just wasn't our night. We never really click. What SAF said is true. Sometimes we were too eager, other times hesitant.. both Roon and Berba went for the same ball etc. We need wingers.. lots of them, and effective ones on the pitch at all times. Left side was non existant apart from Evra bombing down there but not effective when he doesn't have someone else to play with in front of him and on the other side got Park who lost every ball that was given to him almost. Really really frustrating. Unleash Fletcher! And Nani get back soon.. you are our best bet on the wings.


Added on August 20, 2009, 4:50 pm
QUOTE(maxizanc @ Aug 20 2009, 04:47 PM)
We lost because of the fookin referee decision, and Rooney need to be sold immediately.
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Clearly. We had 11 penalty decision turned away. Rafa at work I guess. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Ken @ Aug 20 2009, 06:00 PM)
before the season start i already see a very lightweight united midfield after losing ronaldo and tevez ...

i can't see any midfielders now able to lead the attack and score lots of goal like the other 3 clubs have ... lampard, fabregas and gerrard.

to be the champion, once must have a goal scoring midfielder ... last time united has scholes, who clearly off the peak nowadays, then the last 3 seasons has ronaldo ... this season ? anderson, fletcher, carrick ?
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Gerrard=Played behind Torres.
Lampard=Part of a midfield 3 who has lots of freedom to attack the box..

Our CMs don't have that much freedom..
Our best bet is Nani fro the goals with the others chipping in collectively.


Added on August 20, 2009, 9:39 pmAs for Fabregas.. 3, 5, 4, 13, 3, 2(this season so far) goals..
Not really that prolific.


Added on August 20, 2009, 9:45 pmHow many goals the likes of Xavi, Iniesta and their other partner(s) scored for Barca? It's not really a must although it helps to lighten the load..

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QUOTE(Pain_X @ Aug 20 2009, 09:46 PM)
I think we really need an out-an-out Attacking Midfielder...
Our Forwards department is strong enough with Roo,Berba,Owen,Kiko,and Welbeck.

Our midfield is now a little off. Pool seemed to have that problem in the first game but they can always rely on bar-brawler to come up with the goods.
For us, we have 2 wingers who still need to prove themselves in Valencia and Nani.
Then we have Fletcher,Ando,Carrick and Scholes in the middle.
Out of this 4,only Ando has the ability to be an AM behind the strikers but  doubt it'll work out well.

Any ideas on who can fill this Attacking Midfield void...?
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We don't play with an out and out attacking midfielder. And in a midfield 4(two wingers, two CMs) it's suicide. If you want an AM, you got to sacrifice one of the strikers/wingers and still need two CMs covering his back. There's nobody really able to score that many goals playing as a CM in a midfield 4 setup. 433/4231(playing between the wingers and behind the striker) would work maybe, but we play with two strikers most of the time. Last game we just lack the width on one side, and the other a really off form and ineffective one. If we can get one of Fabregas/Iniesta/Xavi, that would be heaven.

QUOTE(Haza_izzz @ Aug 20 2009, 11:09 PM)
manutd needs a essien on the team. seriously we need an anchorman.
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Really overrated IMO. Fletcher can do that job just as well as any of the others at any team. What we need is someone like Scholes able to really dictate play. Apart from Fabregas, and those two at Barca, there's just none really that fit the description. We just have to make do with what we have and wait till Anderson is at the stage where he can really run the show which might take a while. But until then the likes of Fletcher, Carrick, Giggs and Scholes is more than strong enough IMO although not the best in the business.
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QUOTE(Pain_X @ Aug 21 2009, 01:22 AM)
If we try this,then we don't really need to give up one the strikers/wingers. ( RISKY!!)
Hypothetical situation : Get an AM. He plays behind the top 2 and just above a CM who also hovers behind as a DM ( Fletch or Hargreaves).
Veryyyyy risky though.

But true,in the end,we have to sacrifice one of thoseĀ  rclxub.gif
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One DM, one AM.. won't work IMO. That AM will be in advanced position, + the wingers bombing up and down we're left with one DM to stop the whole attack..

QUOTE(airiholic @ Aug 21 2009, 01:27 AM)
I think that Anderson will make a better DM than an AM. He's fast, strong, works hard, sticks to people like glue (when given the specific task). Although he's great going forward, he's not the best goalscorer. Park should play in a central position as he did at PSV where he always carves gaps in the opposition's defence. He's just notĀ  fast enough to play wide in the PL.

But I'm reallty looking forward to January because Mame Biram Diouf will arrive. Owen and Berba have yet to prove their worth to me and the arrival of Diouf could threaten their position. Diouf isn't big but he's superb in the air. The biggest aerial threat we currently have is Vidic, who can only pose a threat from set pieces
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Park plays wide in PSV's 433 formation right?

Berba have yet to prove his worth? Ever watch him when he was at Spurs where he was in the top 3 or so in terms of number of goals + assists in the league? And with us he's done fine although we're expecting far more from him, which he might fulfill this season. And Owen just need to get back into the swings of things. Look promising from his movement.. only a matter of time when he starts banging them in.

And Diouf is unproven. Could end up with our reserve for a while.

QUOTE(Ken @ Aug 21 2009, 08:39 AM)
the problem is not temporary ... united clearly don't have a goal scoring midfielder to replace ronaldo ...

too rely on strikers to get the goals ...

last week fletcher has a golden chance in the box just shot wide ... how could he miss that ?
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I'm sure the midfielders will score goals, collectively. I'm expecting goals more from the wingers, especially Nani.

Even strikers(and Ronaldo) missed that sort of chances, just that they have more chances to bang them in to redeem it. Not sure why you keep banging on and on about that as some sort of proof our midfielders don't score much. Tell you what, you tell me how many goals Liverpool midfielders apart from Gerrard who plays behind Torres scores, or how many goals Barca midfielders score, then we'll discuss.. tongue.gif

Alonso+Mascherano+Kuyt+Riera=5+0+14+5=24
Iniesta+Xavi+Toure=5+10+3=18
Nani+Carrick+Fletcher+Park=6+5+4+4=19

Based on last season(wiki).. not that bad IMO considering Nani wasn't a regular and we have Ronaldo one one side of the wings playing like a wannabe striker rather than be a winger providing chances. Certainly could do better, but with Valencia providing crosses, I'm expecting better return from the strikers and whoever that attack the box at the time.

Like I said, it's not a must have although it would help. Ronaldo was a freak nature.. not many people score as much as him playing out wide and we use it to good effect. Now we'll play our normal games with wingers creating chances rather then have them get on the end of things.


Added on August 21, 2009, 12:31 pm
QUOTE(Sheep319 @ Aug 21 2009, 10:37 AM)
lol @ Wan.

I know what it means, I just want to make it sound like it's for Wan
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Sorry sheep. I don't want to be your Manucho replacement.. laugh.gif

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