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post Aug 28 2009, 11:38 PM

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And Wenger said: "We have to fight it and there is only one way to punish people diving obviously: suspension.

"Once it is in the game it is difficult to get it out. Once a guy knows he might be punished he will not dive."
You think it's right that Eduardo got a suspension over his 'supposed dive'? I think the GK got a slight touch on him, but he surely made the most of it. But I think it's a good start. If let's say a player clearly fell down without anybody touching him, then they can start banning the player for a few games. That would sent out a message to the would be divers not to do it, or at least made them think twice before diving. It's the only way to curb the diving really. Right now they get away without punishment almost. Also referee seems to pick and choose who they want to book for diving. We can see lots of instances where a player falls down, but got told by the referee to get up, but for some others they would get booked straight away.
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post Aug 29 2009, 12:43 AM

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I'll be happy with whatever way we use/or benefited from as long as we win.

If there is a touch, then it's hard to judge really. How do we know how much of an impact the fouler had on the 'diver'? Only the guy who got tackled can answer that, and that one is a grey area of some sort.. can't really decide, just let it be. But for the case of those diving without being touched by anyone, then the diver should get punishment for it. Give them a few games.. that should teach them.
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post Aug 29 2009, 03:51 AM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 29 2009, 01:50 AM)
TBF, I saw the match live and I was fuming with rage because I thought he robbed us the chance of having a proper match but making an example out of him is equally unfair. Start on a clean slate.
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Not set an example, but they have to start somewhere. Hopefully they will implement it in the whole of the games under their supervision after this. Only that would make it fair.

QUOTE(dachozn @ Aug 29 2009, 01:53 AM)
since cristiano ronaldo left man utd, many concern about man utd side attack. how do u think of three wingers of man utd this season? jisung park, nani, and valencia for each? and who are the best for right and left side? in my opinion, park and valencia actually would be the best for sides. cuz i know that nani is one of the best skillful player in man utd but lack of team play. sometimes nani just messes up the whole play by his selfish dribbling. but park and valencia are really helpful for team play and really enegergetic especially park.

how do u think?
think carefully for the long-run of man utd this season,,
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Nani had a good start to the season so far. For the long run, it's better we keep him in the side for him to find his form and his confidence level, because Park and Valencia while good/very good players, Nani is the one who is likely to create something out of nothing. It's Nani on one side, and the other side up for grabs between Valencia and Park. If Valencia can work on his inside moves, he would be starter for me over Park, although Park as shown against Chelsea is great to have when we use him right. They didn't know how to deal with his movements in the first half.

QUOTE(skystrike @ Aug 29 2009, 02:12 AM)
i thought our best crosser now is valencia...
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QUOTE(rayz1031 @ Aug 29 2009, 02:24 AM)
Since CR left, the winger discussion never stopped. To me, Nani and Valencia combination still the best currently. For the past 2 seasons I kept faith in Nani, although his performance sometimes is up sometimes is down, I still believe he can deliver. Don't forget CR was a winger that selfish, too many dribble and too many fancy skills, and just see where he end up now. Nani is a talent, no doubt about that. CR need 2 seasons to fully develop, but Nani is living under CR shadow for the past 3 seasons. Now is the time where fans need to give support to him and he really deserve the chance to prove himself. More games will prove his worth to the team. Nani basically got the left wing spot up to him alone but if he didn't deliver, Park and Giggs are ready to take over, not forget to mention Tosic as well.

Best crosser? Nani have my vote. Valencia crossing was not up to standard till now. From the first game until now, Valencia crossing was disappointing, I know he provided the assist to Rooney but heck, seriously speaking anyone in our winger post can deliver that kinda ball in the box.

Hargo is undisputed best crosser in the team, too bad he kinda occupied with nurses these days..
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Valencia is far more consistent with his crossing. It's easy to spot his crossing.. our players would know what to expect from him which is good because they can react to it better. You know once he gets past the LB, he would cross it soon. But defenders would find it easier to stop him compared to Nani. Show him the inside, and block the outside.. he wouldn't be as effective.

Nani however is different. When he gets it right, his crossing is as dangerous and as good if not better than Valencia's. He's unpredictable the defenders won't find it so easy to stop him. Stop him from going outside, he would turn inside and so on.. but that also means our players can't judge when he's gonna cross it.

As for Valencia not impressing that much so far, consider this. We have a hard time so far getting in behind the opposition's defence, apart from the 2nd half of the Wigan game. He's also new to the team.. it will take a while for him to adjust. But he's done alright so far. He was brilliant I thought in pre-season against Bayern and Valencia. Whenever he beat their LB, his crossing was almost always great. He's the opposite of Park. Park is crap going outside and crossing it in, but Valencia is crap whenever the outside is blocked and he has to maneuver inside. But going by SAF's recent comment about him, it seems they are working on him on that part of his game. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 29 2009, 01:27 PM

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Today is Saturday huh? I thought Friday.. need to re tune my clock. Night awake, day sleep..

Wonder how we line up? Will we go with 442 or go with 433 as we usually do in the past for these type of games.
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QUOTE(prettyboy @ Aug 29 2009, 07:33 PM)
today will be a big test for for united againts the big 4 without ronaldo. gosh m really worry about our midfield, lacking quality in that department imo
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While we don't have what you would call one of the best midfielders around in that department, we're not lacking in quality. If we lack quality in that department, we wouldn't have been that successful the last few seasons. And Arsenal's midfield, apart from Fabregas, they don't have anyone else in there in the centre who you would call one of the best around.


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Added on August 29, 2009, 11:29 pmThat's interesting. 433. No Berba.. and Rooney back in the centre of the front three. Been a long time since he plays there huh in that lineup? Looking forward to it, although I hope he's not so isolated.

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post Aug 30 2009, 12:08 AM

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Inside there, cari the mediaplayer ones. Those one should open inside a website. No need player. But just let the myp2p window open in case somehow in the middle of the game the link goes offline.
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post Aug 30 2009, 03:27 AM

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QUOTE(aztechx @ Aug 30 2009, 03:16 AM)
hahaha..the best was when he stood on top of the middle tunnel entrance..that was classic!looked like he ruled the world but too bad his team lost..i cant believe fletcher could actually put up such a tremendous performance in midfield..

and which part of the foul looked like a dive?its normal for a player to push the ball to the side and earn a penalty like that..almunia should have been more aware of those kinds of situation..he did catch rooney and it was a definite foul no matter which way u put it..
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It's not really a surprise for Fletcher to put that kind of performances in the big games. He's shown over the years he's mighty in these sort of affair, and most of them were against Arsenal. It's the normal/smaller type of games which he usually find himself looking average, which he changed last season.
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post Aug 30 2009, 03:36 AM

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We got lucky there at the end Gallas/Diaby decided to get into that offside position. Rooney would have been killed by SAF if that goal counted.. laugh.gif Went to sleep there. And what the hell happen to our composure at the end? We got into great position to add to our goal, but we mess them all up. Nani and Berbatov.. he was great and shit at the same time.
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post Aug 30 2009, 05:26 AM

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Well, the ref instructed him to go to the stands, which he did.. and with only a few seconds left, should just let the match go on.. nothing he could have done. It was funny, and Wenger seem to be fine about it.. didn't really argue much.

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