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post Oct 2 2009, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(borneo @ Oct 2 2009, 03:09 PM)
Is the 1% commission charge still waived?
I remember reading somewhere that there is a certain dateline.


Added on October 2, 2009, 3:13 pmQuote from their website:
Caj Jualan : Tiada.
Walaubagaimanapun, Pengurus mempunyai budibicara untuk mengenakan caj jualan sehingga 1% daripada nilai pelaburan selepas tempoh tersebut.

What does budibicara means?
discretionary?
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Promotional period has been extended to 31 Dec, PNB does not sell well and enough, they will not impose 1% to turn down the potential investors.
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post Oct 2 2009, 10:26 PM

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A1SM still got now for chinese?? If still got how come still havent sold out? any reason , consider poor response?
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post Oct 2 2009, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Oct 1 2009, 01:15 PM)
For RM30K you better go to either Maybank, CIMB Bank or RHB Bank to make the withdrawal. Many Post Office branches do not have that kind of cash so most of the time they will restrict the maximum withdrawal of RM10K only from them whereas there is no limit how much you can withdraw from Maybank, CIMB Bank or RHB Bank because they can afford to.
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bro & cheahcw2003 you are right, thanks guys for the reply..
i got this reply from mail :

ASNB : Headquarters Kuala Lumpur – (Redemption more than RM10, 000 will paid by cheque)
ASNB : Fully Operation Offices - (Redemption more than RM5, 000 will paid by cheque)
Maybank : Cash redemption limit is RM25, 000
(if the amount is more than RM25,000, customer's need to contra into their Maybank account)
CIMB : No cash redemption limit
RHB Bank : No cash redemption limit
POS Malaysia : Limit depends on that particular POS Malaysia branch

The documents required are as follows:-
1. Original saving book
2. Withdrawal form "Borang Jualan Balik (ASNB 31)" - available at ASNB offices or agents (Maybank, CIMB , RHB or Pos Malaysia)
3. Identity Card

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post Oct 3 2009, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(rayfoo @ Oct 2 2009, 10:26 PM)
A1SM still got now for chinese?? If still got how come still havent sold out? any reason , consider poor response?
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These are the reasons of the poor response, according to my reasonings lah....u agree or not, that's a separate matter.
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QUOTE(blasto @ Oct 2 2009, 11:26 PM)
bro & cheahcw2003 you are right, thanks guys for the reply..
i got this reply from mail :

ASNB : Headquarters Kuala Lumpur – (Redemption more than RM10, 000 will paid by cheque) 
ASNB : Fully Operation Offices - (Redemption more than RM5, 000 will paid by cheque) 
Maybank : Cash redemption limit is RM25, 000
(if the amount is more than RM25,000, customer's need to contra into their Maybank account)
CIMB : No cash redemption limit
RHB Bank : No cash redemption limit
POS Malaysia : Limit depends on that particular POS Malaysia branch

The documents required are as follows:-
1. Original saving book
2. Withdrawal form "Borang Jualan Balik (ASNB 31)" - available at ASNB offices or agents (Maybank, CIMB , RHB or Pos Malaysia)
3. Identity Card
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Withdraw rm30K for better investment opportunity?
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post Oct 4 2009, 11:41 AM

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Hi, do you include AS1M as part of your investment diversification? I have bought some and still hesitating should I get more rclxub.gif Thank you
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post Oct 5 2009, 08:35 PM

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I have already invested 50k previosuly in AS1M, can I invest more now? up to how much? has the 50k quota been removed?
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post Oct 5 2009, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(constant @ Oct 5 2009, 08:35 PM)
I have already invested 50k previosuly in AS1M, can I invest more now? up to how much? has the 50k quota been removed?
No. The quota has not been lifted. It has been further extended to 31 December 09. You cannot invest more for the time being.

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QUOTE(constant @ Oct 5 2009, 08:35 PM)
I have already invested 50k previosuly in AS1M, can I invest more now? up to how much? has the 50k quota been removed?
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The individual limit of rm50K has been lifted since 4th Sept and the etnic allocation will be continuned till 31 Dec, so if u have invested rm50K u can invest more now, unlimited per account subject to your etnic group allocation.

Chinese allocated unit is rm3 bil (30% of total fund size RM10bil), sold units up to date for chinese is rm2bil, so still have rm1bil room for chinese etnic, for other races no issues at all.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Oct 5 2009, 08:48 PM)
The individual limit of rm50K has been lifted since 4th Sept and the etnic allocation will be continuned till 31 Dec, so if u have invested rm50K u can invest more now, unlimited per account subject to your etnic group allocation.

Chinese allocated unit is rm3 bil (30% of total fund size RM10bil), sold units up to date for chinese is rm2bil, so still have rm1bil room for chinese etnic, for other races no issues at all.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Oct 3 2009, 08:41 PM)
Withdraw rm30K for better investment opportunity?
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their deviden are getting smaller compare to it's 1st started.
might give it a try invest in gold, or might put into AS1M for 1year maybe. then close a/c laugh.gif

The AS1M first payout might be high to attract more buyer or to prove potential. blush.gif

either wan, any advise will be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance. icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(blasto @ Oct 5 2009, 11:38 PM)
their deviden are getting smaller compare to it's 1st started.
might give it a try invest in gold, or might put into AS1M for 1year maybe. then close a/c  laugh.gif

The AS1M first payout might be high to attract more buyer or to prove potential.  blush.gif

either wan, any advise will be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Your pic in display showing that u look like a malay/bumi, as a bumi u will have many choices when it comes to PNB fund, ASB paid the best return i guess, no other PNB products will beat its return, but u got a point, AS1M may have good return for the 1st year to stimulate the sales of the units.
Invest in gold? i think gold price at its historical high already, so the risk is higher if to invest now, this is my opinion....
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QUOTE(blasto @ Oct 5 2009, 11:38 PM)
their deviden are getting smaller compare to it's 1st started.
might give it a try invest in gold, or might put into AS1M for 1year maybe. then close a/c  laugh.gif
The AS1M first payout might be high to attract more buyer or to prove potential.  blush.gif
either wan, any advise will be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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what kind of gold u invested in? Paper Gold? Gold Passbook? Gold ETF or Bullion Gold?
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PNB Eyes West Asian Market

By Tengku Noor Shamsiah Tengku Abdullah and Farazira Amira Yusuf

SHAH ALAM, Oct 6 (Bernama) -- Permodalan Nasional Bhd (PNB), the country's biggest fund manager, is eyeing opportunities to expand its wings to West Asia, said its president/chief executive officer, Tan Sri Hamad Kama Piah Che Othman.He said although PNB has not ventured into West Asia yet, it was aware of the region's potentials.

"We will continue to look for suitable markets to invest. However, in PNB we will only go in only when we are sure of the potential," he told Bernama at the Projek Lintasan Kota Sdn Bhd's (Prolintas) Hari Raya open house here Tuesday. Hamad Kama Piah, who is also chairman of Prolintas, said the current financial crisis, which affected nations worldwide, offered the company a good investment opportunity.

"We've just opened an office in Tokyo. This will give our officers an opportunity to analyse the market there because all these while they have been managing the funds from here," he said. He said with the unstable markets like in Japan and China, it would be best for the company "to analyse the situation in detail". "Only when the time is suitable, we will increase our investment there," he said.

Hamad Kama Piah said PNB would use its office in UK to study the European and US markets and decide on the shares to invest.
He said PNB would continue to invest in the local market because it has invested the bulk of its funds. "Base on performance of the shares PNB had invested, the returns were encouraging," he said.

Hamad Kama Piah said the shares of big companies PNB had invested had performed well although they were not up to expectation. "Nevertheless, they have helped to boost PNB's portfolio," he said.

-- BERNAMA
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http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...17b-up-21.html#


PNB funds collect RM17b, up 21%

Written by Siti Sakinah Abdul Latif
Wednesday, 07 October 2009 00:16

KUALA LUMPUR: Permodalan Nasional Bhd (PNB) has collected RM17 billion in the year to date through its nine trust funds, some 21% more than it did for the whole of 2008, said its chief executive officer Tan Sri Hamad Kama Piah Che Othman.

He attributed the growth rate, which surpassed the industry average of 13%, to the increasingly greater participation of the public in the unit trusts offered by PNB.

PNB was estimated to have some RM120 billion of assets under management, including its proprietary funds, as at end-2008.

Its latest fund, the Amanah Saham 1Malaysia (AS1M), had seen a take-up of 2.6 billion units from the 10 billion units offered, Hamad Kama Piah told reporters after presenting prizes to the winners of PNB’s Investment Quiz in Putrajaya yesterday.

Of the 2.6 billion units taken up, the Chinese community had subscribed to some 2.2 billion units or 75% of its allocation of three billion units, he added.

As for the other races, he said the take-up rate for Indians stood at 20% from the total 1.5 billion units offered while bumiputeras had taken up only 3% of five billion units offered.

He said the poor response from the bumiputeras to the scheme was not surprising as they had many funds to invest in. “Due to the large number of units offered to bumiputeras, many of them see no urgency to invest so soon (in the scheme). Usually when its units are about to finish, people will start scrambling to buy.”

Asked about the progress of the development plan for the 7.2ha land near Merdeka Stadium, Hamad Kama Piah said PNB was still in talks with prospective property developers for the mixed development project. He declined to elaborate beyond saying that no tie-ups had materialised.

It had been reported that the development of the prime land would start next year.

Property is seen as a new source of income for PNB, and Hamad Kama Piah had said that PNB would intensify its property investment “to ensure each property belonging to PNB brings suitable returns”.
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dear all...

could anyone here tell me that how the dividend of the ASN3 will be counted?

is it the same way counted like the ASW2020 and ASM...need to depend on the how many month and amount of $$ we put in....

or same like the unit trust like PMutual...will received the dividend which depend on how many unit we hold at the moment they distribute the dividend regardless the period or months we had hold the units?

really hope someone could help to answer my question...tuvm smile.gif


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QUOTE(august.decision @ Oct 8 2009, 11:40 AM)
dear all...
could anyone here tell me that how the dividend of the ASN3 will be counted?
is it the same way counted like the ASW2020 and ASM...need to depend on the how many month and amount of $$ we put in....
or same like the unit trust like PMutual...will received the dividend which depend on how many unit we hold at the moment they distribute the dividend regardless the period or months we had hold the units?

really hope someone could help to answer my question...tuvm smile.gif
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ASN3 is a variable priced fund, its porfolio is considered balance fund with equity/bond/money market exposure. The initial charge of 5% applies, unless u contribute from your EPF Account.

The price is fluctuates everyday according to its portfolio performance, and u could check www.asnb.com.my for its daily price, the distribution of dividen is once a year, depends on the number of units that u r holding on the dividend declaration date, same way as Public Mutual's equity/balanced fund. This fund is open to all MALAYSIAN.
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QUOTE(lonelyplanet92 @ Oct 8 2009, 12:29 PM)
ASN3 is a variable priced fund, its porfolio is considered balance fund with equity/bond/money market exposure. The initial charge of 5% applies, unless u contribute from your EPF Account.

The price is fluctuates everyday according to its portfolio performance, and u could check www.asnb.com.my for its daily price, the distribution of dividen is once a year, depends on the number of units that u r holding on the dividend declaration date, same way as Public Mutual's equity/balanced fund. This fund is open to all MALAYSIAN.
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thank you so much for ur information... smile.gif
then think will hold the ASN3 units 1st le...since it is going to declare dividend on 30 NOV....just thinking to sell it since the price now is quite high compare to the price i brought it...smile.gif
if it is count like PMutual....then ok lo....if counted like ASW2020 or ASM which need to depend on the period we hold the unit....then i guess i will get more untung if i sell now... biggrin.gif
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Not quite sure on how PNB calculate dividends for all their funds. Lets say you invest in ASM. Annual dividends only declared once right? Assume it is on March every year. So, does that mean that if you sold off all your investments before March, you get nothing? If you invest in any of the months prior to March, you can actually get prorated dividends, I believe. BUT what about disposal before March? Lets say I invest in April last year and dispose everything on December last year...any dividends for me?
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Can PNB sustain returns as size grows?
from The Edge 11 Sept 2009
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/component/c...cle/148523.html

Since April this year, Permodalan Nasional Bhd (PNB) has raised more than RM15 billion to add to its funds under management which are estimated to be RM80 billion to RM120 million. The recent launch of the RM10 billion Amanah Saham 1Malaysia was by far the biggest by the government-backed PNB. In April this year, PNB reopened Amanah Saham Wawasan 2020 and Amanah Saham Malaysia to investors, which saw the sale of 5.3 million units at RM1 each.

All of PNB’s sales have received warm response from investors, particularly those who do not invest directly in the equities market. This is largely due to the fact that funds managed by PNB have on average returned yields of 5.5% to 7% in recent years, which are higher than the risk-free fixed deposit rate. At the same time, investors have the comfort of knowing the funds are backed by the government. Although not all the 10 funds that PNB manages are capital guaranteed, no investor who has put money in them can claim he is worst off.

The returns on PNB’s funds are higher than those the Employees Provident Fund (EPF) has given out to its contributors. Since 2002, the highest dividend the EPF has declared is 5.8% in 2007. Last year, when the equities market was badly hit, the EPF’s return was 4.5%. While nobody complains about the returns on PNB’s funds, the question is, how does PNB do it? Every year, regardless of how the equities market is performing, the funds declared dividends.

PNB is not known to invest outside Malaysia. Neither is it known to put large amounts of money in fixed-income instruments unlike the EPF. On average, each of its funds invests about 70% of its money in equities. PNB does not invest in high dividend paying sin stocks. It is the biggest shareholder in Malayan Banking Bhd, Sime Darby Bhd and UMW Bhd. It has, in recent months, taken up stakes in property companies such as S P Setia Bhd and Mah Sing Bhd. Most of these companies pay high dividends. Apart from dividends, there is a fair amount of activity by PNB’s funds in the market at any one time, whether sentiments are good or bad.

Although dividend income forms a substantial portion of the income distributed, a lot of its returns is also derived from realised gains from the disposal of equities. For instance, Skim Amanah Saham Bumiputera, which is said to be its biggest fund, paid out RM3.49 billion in 2006. Of the amount, almost 50% came from gains realised from the disposal of equities. In 2006 alone, the funds managed by PNB distributed RM4.2 billion to investors. Based on a fund size of RM70 billion, this works out to a return of 6%, which is higher than the EPF’s 5.15% for that year.

How the funds managed by PNB realise huge gains from the disposal of shares and dividend income is something that has continued to amaze industry players. One theory that often crops up is that PNB’s original cost of investment in some of its large portfolios, such as Sime Darby Bhd, UMW Holdings Bhd, Malayan Banking Bhd, Telekom Malaysia Bhd and Tenaga Nasional Bhd, was low. Which is why it is always able to realise hefty profits from the sale of these equities.

Also, when initial public offerings (IPOs) were a craze until the Asian financial crisis in 1997, PNB was allocated shares in listed companies at the listing price. But the IPO era has long fizzled out. A more likely reason PNB has been able to consistently pay out dividends of at least 5.5% is that its funds do not distribute all their profit. Unlike the EPF, PNB is able to retain some of the returns. This is possibly why it is able to pay out above-average returns even when the bears overrun the stock market.

But going forward, with a fund size that continues to grow, can PNB keep paying 6% dividends? With an investment strategy where about 70% of its money is put in the domestic equities market, can PNB generate sufficient returns to maintain its average payouts? Investing is not an easy task. It is an art and every serious investor will agree that most lose more money than they make. Identifying good investments is one thing, getting in and out at the right time is another.

The investments of sovereign wealth funds (SWFs), managed by well-paid investment bankers, are still under water despite the stock market having improved and fears of a recession having abated. Singapore’s Temasek Holdings and Government of Singapore Investment Corp (GSIC) had put money in troubled financial institutions such as Barclays, Merrill Lynch (which was taken over by Bank of America), Citigroup and UBS. The Singapore funds were not the only ones to invest in US and European financial institutions. Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, Kuwait Investment Authority, China Investment Corp and many other SWFs did the same. Some came out bruised but the startling fact is that the investments of very few of them is in the black.

Temasek, which is well known for its astute investment decisions, came out of Bank of America last month with a loss reported to be US$3 billion (RM10.5 billion), earning Temasek CEO Ho Ching some criticism. It was reported that Temasek had paid US$5.9 billion for a 14% stake in Merrill Lynch. It was also reported last month that American investor Warren Buffett was sitting on a US$2 billion paper gain from Goldman Sachs preferred shares which he had bought in September last year. GSIC is in UBS and Citigroup for the long haul. In February this year, it announced that it was converting its convertible preferred notes to shares at US$3.25 each, a much lower conversion than US$26.35. The conversion will leave GSIC with an 11.1% stake in Citigroup.

Having mistimed their entry into the financial institutions, the SWFs are now eyeing non-financial assets. For instance, Qatar Investment Authority will be the third largest shareholder in the merged Porsche-Volkswagen outfit. On hindsight, anybody can claim that the timing of Temasek’s entry into Merrill Lynch was too early. Many can now deduce that the SWFs did not understand the extent of the problems faced by these financial institutions. But then again, at the time, nobody thought that Merrill Lynch or Lehman Brothers would buckle under the weight of the US subprime crisis. In fact, many saw the entry of the SWFs into the US and European financial institutions as seizing an opportunity that would not come by very often.

In a nutshell, investing in the stock market is an art. It is a tough business but PNB has been doing it well with consistent returns so far. But how long can it invest and declare consistent returns of more than 5.5% by just putting its money in local stocks? PNB already has sizeable stakes in some of the big caps. Unless there is new money in the form of foreign portfolio investors buying up shares sold by PNB, it will be a tough challenge for the ever-growing fund.

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