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post Aug 16 2009, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(ckkean @ Aug 16 2009, 06:17 PM)
IMO, it would be a great deal. I think VDV has great skill and is a dead-ball specialist too. And personally, i do rate VDV higher than Nasri & Rosciky.  tongue.gif

We started the season in high note and i hope we have a less-injury problem season.  nod.gif
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How often have you seen Van Der Vaart play ? He was brilliant before but has been well below par for a couple of seasons particularly last season. I watched a handful of Real's Liga games last season together with some of their Champions League games and I got to say in those games I've watched he has been absolutely woeful. Honestly I don't see him as a better footballer than both Nasri and Rosicky are currently. I wouldn't call it a great deal signing a player who has been relatively poor in form for some time now. To be honest he was no better than Diaby was last season and those wanting to to offload Diaby and replacing with Van der Vaart would just be like replacing Diaby with another Diaby tongue.gif Moreover I doubt he will settle for a place on the bench and I don't think we need another attacking midfielder. If its a position we should reinforce its one of our defensive midfield positions in preparation for when Song jets off to that worthless tournament for 2 months provided Cameroon do well. A not too glamorous but decent DM signing who is willing to fight for his first team spot and wouldn't mind playing as a squad player currently would do nicely indeed. Someone like Matuidi perhaps.

As for Hangeland I admit I have not watched enough of him to pass judgment but most Gooners in the UK who are on other Arsenal forums and message boards which are footie freaks that watches virtually every BPL game regardless which teams are playing week in week out are not convinced he is good enough for the Arsenal and is just like another Senderos. Physically strong and fantastic heading abilities no doubt about it but very slow and unfortunately not very good on the ball with poor distribution. A fast, quick and tricky striker can pressure him into mistakes and does make the odd bad back pass or bad pass to a teammate which puts his defense in danger. However I admit if Senderos does leave, we will need another central defender. Yet again though with Gallas and Vermaelen looking promising I'm sure Arsene would not want to break that partnership up so quickly, if we do get him though question is will Hangeland settle for the bench for the time being ?

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QUOTE(kimhoong @ Aug 16 2009, 10:25 PM)
Sorry for being MIA for some time sweat.gif

I watched the match in a mamak. Not many fans around though sad.gif

Well, it's one of the hell match opener !

All songs are sung so I better look at the negatives sad.gif

1. Our fullbacks were solid at the back but I found out that they were not really used to the new formation 4-3-3.

2. Our forwards/strikers could be better.
- Bendtner had a great match despite playing as a right man. But yet, he didn't put his great performance in front of the net.
- RvP - It was either he was tightly marked or he simply couldn't perform.
- Arshavin - I really pity this lad. I could see him wanting the ball badly, to play the match and to contribute but the game was more frequently played on the right (Bendtner's side brows.gif)

3. The consolation goal really a turn-off to me sad.gif I know that goal wasn't anyone's fault particularly since it's a rebound but it's just me feeling that the perfection was spoiled.

4. We shouldn't take this as granted. No doubt it's a confidence boost but bear in mind that Everton played poorly, something really unexpected considering that their squad has minimum players changes and they had been a great season before this. Besides, after Denilson's screamer, the other two were defensive errors in set piece.

What I mean is that there are plenty of rooms for improvement smile.gif
OK, up next, I'm going to watch Liverpool vs Spurs brows.gif
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I definitely disagree with point 2. Forwards/strikers aren't always just about goals. You have to look at their contribution in a game as a whole. Kind of like what Rooney was doing for Man Utd last season. Striker in name and on paper but despite the lack of goals he more than compensated with some assists and contributed heavily in build ups in majority of United's goals. Both RVP and Bendtner both had very good games in my book and only probably Arshavin could have done a little better on the night IMO and even then still ended up with an assist. Not too shabby I say. On paper it was 4-3-3 but for most parts of the match RVP was playing as a lone striker in a 4-5-1 with Bendtner out so far wide right I don't think you could even consider him a striker. Same goes for Arshavin who was roaming around freely but even then most of the time found out far wide left. As a lone striker I felt RVP did pretty good and I have no complaints, held the ball up well and played in his teammates whenever he could as most lone strikers should do most evident with the assist to Fabregas for our 4th goal. If there is any example of a bad lone striker performance all you have to do is look no further than Jo's performance against us. Zero ball retention, zero movement and zero passing. Uh, pretty much zero everything.

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QUOTE(sakaito @ Aug 17 2009, 10:32 AM)
on Arshavin... i don't think all the criticism at him is justified. He was man marked by arguably the best marker available, Phil Neville. Arsh tried to run around, about and over but couldn't get past him. BUT, what he did was draw another defender on him, you could see at any time when he got the ball, Yobo or Hibbert will come along to close him down... and when either of them does, Arsh will pass the ball back to someone else who's open.

So, to me, it's a game to learn from for Arshavin. I think he'll explode in the next game at Emirates against Pompey. biggrin.gif
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Its true he has been marked tightly and double teamed at times but when he did get the ball his touch, passing, ball control was well below par of what we are used to. Yes, players are only human and at the end of the day they may be excused for having a bad game once in awhile but by no means should they be exempted from criticism if people choose to do so. Fact is he was poor on the night and when players play poorly they get criticized. Simple as that. I'm sorry but I rate Phil Neville as an average player at best. As a top player in a top team anyway you should be expecting and should be ready for tight marking in every single minute of every single game you play regardless the tournament so IMO not performing due to tight marking as an excuse is a poor excuse to make.


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QUOTE(sakaito @ Aug 17 2009, 02:54 PM)
well i do agree that arshavin was below par... but his below par performance produces some chances for us and 1 of it resulted in an easy goal for Dudu. wink.gif
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Yeah which is why in my post before last I did mention despite being below par I was still more than happy with his contribution to the game. Even visibly not at his best still managed to produce an assist which isn't too shabby indeed nod.gif
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QUOTE(Phonzy @ Aug 17 2009, 03:39 PM)
Quoted from Arseblog:

Don't let anyone tell you it just was down to Everton being bad. Everton were bad because we made them look bad. We harried, competed, won tackles and headers and the only little spell of pressure they had in the game, some time in the first half if I recall correctly, was when we stood off them. Once we snapped out of our doziness Everton were under the cosh again.
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Arseblog copied my post ! mad.gif Hahaha jk tongue.gif

QUOTE(sigheart @ Aug 16 2009, 02:59 AM)
I think its a combination of both Everton playing crap and us making Everton look like crap. From the get go you already can notice our players closing the Everton players down and really hussling and hurrying them. Everton are known as a get-in-your-face team but I think it was us who got into their faces more than they would have liked instead. We did that for most part of the game and its understandable that there is no way this high tempo of a game could me maintained for all 90 mins hence Everton looked threatening in patches. I personally think the tactics deployed by Arsene today was absolutely spot on and I suspect today's tactics will be our recipe for success this season. Instead of just one player protecting the defense today it was 2, Denilson and Song which allowed Fabregas the freedom to move into a more advanced position supporting the triangle of Van P, Bendtner and Arshavin. I think Moyes was absolutely caught off guard tactically IMO.
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QUOTE(limkokwan @ Aug 17 2009, 06:04 PM)
anyone still think bendtner is awful? cant wait for eduardo to start a game instead of him.
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Yeah Bendtner was awful. Sell him. Cesc didn't get a hattrick. Must be rubbish sell him. Arshavin didn't score. How useless. Sell him. Song was horrible. He lost 1 header to Fellaini. Sell him. Almunia is losing hair hence losing his ability as well. Sell him. Vermaelen conceded a foul. Terrible signing IMO. Not to mention the other players like Van Persie, Denilson Clichy, Sagna and Gallas were absolutely crap as well. Sell them all too I say. And while we are at it my as well sack Wenger as well. Why didn't he play Wilshere ? Clueless old geezer IMO. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

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Regardless the result please do not draw comparisons with the Everton match. Please bear in mind that this is a whole different ball game altogether and even a draw tonight would be regarded as a very good result although I would be surprised if we didn't win.
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Guess Arsene is no longer interested in Chamakh.

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West Ham target Marouane Chamakh tells Bordeaux he wants to join Hammers

Marouane Chamakh has told Bordeaux he is now ready to go to West Ham before the closure of the transfer window. But the French champions are still holding out for a bigger fee for the 25-year-old Morocco striker who is out of contract next summer.

Chamakh has now accepted Arsene Wenger will not return with another offer this month and is willing to wait until the player is a free agent.

Bordeaux president Jean-Louis Triaud said: “I personally called Arsene Wenger who said he was no longer interested in buying Marouane. I think Arsenal’s victory over the weekend at Everton speaks for itself.”

Bordeaux have turned down Fulham’s offer of a player swap between Chamakh and Dimonansy Kamara to leave West Ham as the only remaining suitors. And Chamakh is drawn to the idea of working with Gianfranco Zola in the Premier League. But West Ham’s offer of £5m plus a share of any sell-on profit has been rejected by the French champions.

Bordeaux are trying to convince Chamakh, who has scored three goals in the first two Ligue 1 games of the season, to agree a new contract with a buyout clause.

Triaud added: “There is a 99 per cent chance he will stay with us. I sincerely believe, and our coach Laurent Blanc as well, that his best interests would be served by staying at Bordeaux.”


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Celtic 0 - 1 Arsenal
.................Gallas (ASS) 43'
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QUOTE(sakaito @ Aug 19 2009, 04:46 AM)
great win! away at hostile territory!

Glad to see everyone turns out ok. I was worried about cesc and also Song. These 2 took a lot of hits. Song was again proved that he has improved. Denilson also has improved on his positioning and tackling.

Arshavin.. lambat skit aaa.. he'll get it right in 2 weeks time.. mark my words.. Man City will be hit by the Russian Assassin. wink.gif

Our defense a bit shaky at Sagna side. Again, this is the area that concerned me while we were at Everton too. Sagna got exposed a lot of times. Lucky for him, either Gallas or Song is there to cover up. Sagna better buck up and do less overlapping and concentrate on his defense.

I wish Walcott will be back soon because that way, sagna can just hoof the ball upfield.. walcott go chase. biggrin.gif


Added on August 19, 2009, 4:47 amanother terrific nite for Vermaelen/Gallas pair. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Partly because Bendtner did not track back as much as probably Arshavin did on the other flank. They seem to have specifically targeted our right side and rightly so due to Bendtner's non existant work rate today and there were numerous occasions when Maloney and McGeady were both teaming up on Sagna with Bendtner nowehere at all. I don't think Sagna was poor at all. IMO he held up pretty well and was probably made to look bad by Bendtner's lack of tracking back. If it is anyone who needs bucking up its Bendtner defensively IMO.

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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Aug 19 2009, 03:49 PM)
i though he did get to double figures during the 07/08 season, no?
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Yes he got 13 goals in all competitions that season. But he has never gotten double figures in the league itself yet.
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QUOTE(garagesell @ Aug 20 2009, 04:42 AM)
hahaha... lost to burnley.. its funny right?

anyway, arsenal need to becareful of new comers as well.

they are very good to stop MU
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Nah not funny at all. Please don't laugh at them Man Utd or their fans. Karma bites back, hard. Back then they were laughing at Liverpool when they lost to Tottenham over the weekend. What went around, came around lol.

I mean its good to show respect to other teams by not making fun of them when they get beat. Things like these do happen in football and it has happened to us before and could happen again *touch wood*. Well you should understand how it feels after being beaten by Hull last year IMO.
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QUOTE(lostasylum @ Aug 21 2009, 05:59 PM)
my dad is a united fan while i'm an arsenal fan.
we'll always make fun of each other's teams, but it's always in good fun, so that's alright...

in my group of friends, i have 4 other arsenal friends while the rest are united.. so at least we're not outnumbered too badly... hahahah...

edit: forgot to mention, i've got a friend who is a united fan and his wife is a liverpool fan.. both are hardcore... and it's really funny cause when either team loses the winning spouse will goad the partner... hahahaha....
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So I guess *ahem* the wife was on top last weekend brows.gif tongue.gif

Hehe anyway in my group we have 2 Gunners, me and another though the other Gunner isn't has hardcore as me tongue.gif , most of them obviously are Man Utd supporters with 1 Liverpool and 2 Chelsea supporters. Supposed to have 3 Gooners in my group including me but the guy quit supporting Arsenal and became a neutral after Titi left for Barca. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(lostasylum @ Aug 21 2009, 06:41 PM)
hahaha... terrible, but yes, the wife would've had the glory of goading her hubby. then again, liverpool lost their first game while united won, so i guess they're even for now....

that guy who you said quite supporting arsenal after henry left.... i find that rather intriguing... that means your friend became an arsenal supporter when henry came to arsenal? he supports the club because of the player? for me, i've always supported arsenal first and then the player second... so no matter who leaves, i can never stop supporting arsenal.... cause that's the club i fell in love with, and that's the club i'll die with (along with perak... hahahah).....

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Actually he supported Arsenal because of 2 players, Bergkamp and Henry. He started supporting when we won in 1998 IIRC. When Bergkamp left there was still Henry but when Henry left there was no one left lolz Became a neutral after that because he didn't like Barca either. Coincidentally the duration of his support was our most successful period in terms of winning trophies.

Same here. Well as for players there were no particular favorites for me as anyone who dons the red and white no matter who will get my support although I must admit though Freddie, Bergkamp and Bobby P will always remain a bit more special to me than anyone else notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

Edit: Walcott gets a huge a** dragon tattoo on his arm sweat.gif Lets hope he plays as fierce as that dragon looks when he returns ! laugh.gif

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Arsenal star Walcott involved in a bit of needle

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Arsenal star Theo Walcott hopes to be decorated with honours by the end of the season – but for now this tattoo will do.

The England winger invited the cameras along to witness his new dragon tattoo as part of a new Nike Air Max 90 camnpaign.



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Again another mistake from Almunia. I have said before many times his antics and mistakes will cost us a number of goals this season and that is number 1.
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QUOTE(kaka91 @ Aug 23 2009, 12:03 AM)
capi injured la =( hamstring or something. hope not serious
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Yes, rumours emanating that Cesc has done his hammie. Few weeks at the very least on the sidelines quoted by one of the radio doing live footie commentary in the UK according to some Gooners. That will rule him out against Celtic, Man Utd and possibly Man City which is a shame.

The injury curse is starting to hit us again just when crucial games are around the corner sad.gif
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Aug 23 2009, 03:07 PM)
Wenger should rest Fabregas for the game against Celtic to keep him fresh against ManU.

And Arshavin should step up and take his position to see is it he lost his form or he just played out of position.
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Fabs could be out for three weeks. Wenger's actual quote in the post-match interview. If it is just tightness he will miss the Celtic match but back for Man Utd.

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"If it is a little pull, he will be out for three weeks, if it is just tightness, maybe he can get away for Wednesday. In 48 hours, we will have a better view."


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QUOTE(kaka91 @ Aug 23 2009, 05:04 PM)
arshavin's interview was nice to read. cesc could be out for 3 weeks. i hate the sound of that. 3 weeks! we really need him against mu. oh dear. pls be fit. on the plus side, rosicky could be back
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With Rosicky back we could probably move Arshavin into the Cesc role with Tomas on the left. I have a feeling its going to be a pulled hamstring rather than a tight one sad.gif

Really, we NEVER have a complete first 11 against Man Utd. It has been the case for the last how many meetings with them I have lost count. Each time a meeting with Man Utd approaches we lose one or more key players. Here is to hoping we don't lose anymore players when we play Celtic....

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QUOTE(kaka91 @ Aug 23 2009, 05:20 PM)
well hope for the best. rest him( and rosicky and robin and dudu and all the fragile players) against celtic and maybe he will make a good recovery. i would like our capi vs mu. if not, there is always ramsey. =)
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Yeah hopefully its just the hamstring feeling tight. Well personally if Fabs is out I would prefer Arshavin moved to the middle to replace Cesc with Rosicky taking up Arshavin's place wide left or Arshavin remaining in his current position with Diaby coming in for Cesc. Ramsey has the ability and potential but I just feel for big games such as this I would prefer more mature heads to be on the field. He is still young and vastly inexperienced thus the high tendency that he might be bullied out of the game and also make mistakes in an area which may prove very costly. Best example was Gibbs against Man Utd last season in the ECL semifinal.
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QUOTE(giotto @ Aug 23 2009, 11:23 PM)
Why am i not surprised. Jens Lehmann in hot soup again for elbowing someone.

If i remember correctly, he's the only one GK with 8 yellow cards in a season with Arsenal a couple of years back. I've lost count the number of times he's gotten into such sticky situation. The last i read in a league game with Stuttgart, he threw an opponents boots to the roof of the net, claiming he was clearing obstacles from the pitch. And now, after elbowing someone, he claims he's merely keeping a distance from the player. He's so funny.

But he's still got a special place in the Gooners heart. I think all of us will never forget the save the put Arsenal in the UCL final.

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Sigh I do miss him. Was a top top goalkeeper for us. He had everything. Not only a great reader of the game but a brilliant shot stopper to boot. Just love the way he rushes out and sweeps up through balls beyond our back four with great timing and precision. He does have a few forgettable blunders but then again who doesn't. The memory of David Seaman was gone when he stepped in between the sticks. I will never forget those saves he made. The one from Solskjaer, Scholes from point blank range, that impossible double save from Raul, Riquelme's penalty save, the 2005 FA Cup Final saves etc etc. God the list goes on and on. One of the best goalkeepers to ever wear an Arsenal jersey and play in the BPL.

Sadly Almunia is a universe away from Lehmann's best. I very well hope Almunia proves me wrong but as of currently I am still not convinced he is Arsenal quality let alone world class.

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