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post Feb 27 2012, 06:49 PM

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Score A is a useless product, they ripped people hard earn money. My sister two children been using it and there is a lot of mistake of the answer. Their services is suck.
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post Mar 12 2012, 07:16 PM

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Those of you who want to join ANY MLM, pls check their products first (good or not, how many people used it, etc). Check if you can just buy the product without joining and see if the product is worth the price asked. If you join, check what you will get and let say if you don't want to continue promoting their product (ie. want to leave the scheme), will you be able to break even just buy selling all the products you have. By doing these, you will not lose your money. But if you join without doing all the above, you will feel cheated once you fail to promote the products.
Actually all these MLMs are business. And for Score A - it is a product. So, if you have children/anybody who might benefit from score A, and you wanna try your luck doing bizz, you have nothing to lose to try (if the product is good). But if you join just for the MLM business, well... business is risky. Ask anybody doing business, talk about capital and risk (normally profit is around 10-30%). If you don't have the skill, don't have anybody to teach you, don't want to learn, don't even dream to do business. Just work with those bosses/taukeh till you die. (Actually in MLM, there is a mentor if you happen to have good 'upline', if you have bad 'upline' you'll die, and normally these bad uplines will 'die' too not long after that. Normally MLM with bad upline & intentions will go bust within 2 years). So in other words, are you good enough to take the risk to do business? If not, don't. If you just wanna try score A product, just buy, use and stay at home.
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QUOTE(aiz1j @ Mar 12 2012, 07:16 PM)
Those of you who want to join ANY MLM, pls check their products first (good or not, how many people used it, etc). Check if you can just buy the product without joining and see if the product is worth the price asked. If you join, check what you will get and let say if you don't want to continue promoting their product (ie. want to leave the scheme), will you be able to break even just buy selling all the products you have. By doing these, you will not lose your money. But if you join without doing all the above, you will feel cheated once you fail to promote the products.
  Actually all these MLMs are business. And for Score A - it is a product. So, if you have children/anybody who might benefit from score A, and you wanna try your luck doing bizz, you have nothing to lose to try (if the product is good). But if you join just for the MLM business, well... business is risky. Ask anybody doing business, talk about capital and risk (normally profit is around 10-30%). If you don't have the skill, don't have anybody to teach you, don't want to learn, don't even dream to do business. Just work with those bosses/taukeh till you die. (Actually in MLM, there is a mentor if you happen to have good 'upline', if you have bad 'upline' you'll die, and normally these bad uplines will 'die' too not long after that. Normally MLM with bad upline & intentions will go bust within 2 years). So in other words, are you good enough to take the risk to do business? If not, don't. If you just wanna try score A product, just buy, use and stay at home.
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post Mar 19 2012, 12:05 AM

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im not a fan of mlm but if u look at the world arent we all in that so called pyramid scheme. day in day out morn to night we work like hell n at theend ofthe month we gt the salary which aint too big (depend on title ofcourse). so we all are guinea pig mking their business big while they relax n gt big bucks while.we down here work our ass off.. so... i think of the world like that... without people there b no business... i dnt condemn any business even its an mlm... business is business....just my thought....


Added on March 19, 2012, 12:07 amim not a fan of mlm but if u look at the world arent we all in that so called pyramid scheme. day in day out morn to night we work like hell n at theend ofthe month we gt the salary which aint too big (depend on title ofcourse). so we all are guinea pig mking their business big while they relax n gt big bucks while.we down here work our ass off.. so... i think of the world like that... without people there b no business... i dnt condemn any business even its an mlm... business is business....just my thought....

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QUOTE(rideon @ Mar 19 2012, 12:05 AM)
im not a fan of mlm but if u look at the world arent we all in that so called pyramid scheme. day in day out morn to night we work like hell n at theend ofthe month we gt the salary which aint too big (depend on title ofcourse). so we all are guinea pig mking their business big while they relax n gt big bucks while.we down here work our ass off.. so... i think of the world like that... without people there b no business... i dnt condemn any business even its an mlm... business is business....just my thought....


Added on March 19, 2012, 12:07 amim not a fan of mlm but if u look at the world arent we all in that so called pyramid scheme. day in day out morn to night we work like hell n at theend ofthe month we gt the salary which aint too big (depend on title ofcourse). so we all are guinea pig mking their business big while they relax n gt big bucks while.we down here work our ass off.. so... i think of the world like that... without people there b no business... i dnt condemn any business even its an mlm... business is business....just my thought....
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that's what people didnt see yet .. u all can be proud with ur work, but u dont see people work hard for their boss while they relaxing buying expensive things becoz of our hardwork.. for sure u all will be agree if a guards or clerk wont be able to overcome the boss income,right? but in Kenshido ,thats possibly can happen...!! so dont narrow ur mind just ,MLM sucks,cheat,or scam...just becozr other company making the MLM look sucks,but not happen in Kenshido... THE BIGGEST LOSER IS THOSE WHO JUST KNOW HOW TO CONDEMNED PEOPLE WHO WANT SUCCESS!


Added on March 22, 2012, 6:46 pm
QUOTE(samuelyoungwe @ Jan 6 2012, 07:15 PM)
How do you define, "real business"?
Opening a Mcdonald's? Opening an Old Town? Opening a Chatime?

Yeah I agree Kenshido earns more than what the people earns. Durh? If not open company for what?
Give people earn so much that the company one day go bankrupt? Then everyone don't get income loh?

Its actually very simple. I dunno why everyone take it so complex.

Kenshido has this way of doing business. Like it, take it, do  your best in it.
Don't like it, just leave it. Don't have to talk so much nonsense about it.
"the boss of Kenshido is making a lot of money ah, you're NOT, so just shut up".

You think an Old Town franchise earns the most in its company?
They pay loyalty fee to use the franchise to do business, so who actually earns the most?
The BIG boss of Old town lah.

Same. Kenshido give opportunity to you and me to do business.
Don't like it then just shut up.
Don't talk nonsense about REAL business.
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thumbs up...i dont know why these people just know how to talk bad about kenshido

This post has been edited by Kazuki Dan: Mar 22 2012, 06:46 PM
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post Mar 24 2012, 09:05 AM

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Here's a real story of me -

15/9/2011 - A 20 years old nerd which is a hardcore gamer, earns about 1k a month through 8 hours of gaming each day.
17/9/2011 - Registered as a member of Kenshido/distributor of Score-A. My friend told me about this program, and soon as he finished talking I said 'Hey guys, come here, look at our friend, he got scammed in a pyramid-scheme business' and i lol-ed at him badly, but his face (he's never serious, suddenly he is) makes me went to listen fully about the program. I invested 2488 in this program, and got 5 portals.

During this time, I was still a :
shy person,
low confidence,
can't talk in group nor public due to shyness/low confidence,
a victim of bully,
a naive guy,
dependent to others,
lazy, no real future planning.

17/10/2011 - a month passed, I only got 1 downline which my upline puts under me, i invited about 20 people, all rejected me due to my own fault for not listening to my leaders. Income that I got = zero.

17/11/2011 - 2 of my leader died (quitted), I was left alone, I went to the office to find my higher upline, and he said words like -

'When we wish to learn, we ourselves search for our teachers'(that's what I'm doing)
'This is your own business, don't blame anyone if you fail'(Yeah, true)
'Don't beg to people who aren't willing'(Yeah, there's many others who's looking for this kind of oppurtunity)
and many more that inspired me, somehow it felt very different, cause before this I was in a group of friends who would always say stuffs like :

Hey! lets play DOTA!
Hey! Lets go mamak!
Hey *****! you're Noob!
studying? nerd!
wow look at that car! i wanna buy that car!(dunno when, dreamers, just like me)
wow! hot chicks! lets hit them! (cheap guys)
and many more that makes me never think about the future, everyday same stuffs =.=


9/12/2012
- I started to noticed drastic changes in myself, especially in my way of thinking and confidence level. I finally got over my investment, which I made 3k on this month by sponsoring 6 people(which I never recognized before, met them at restaurant table).

January 2012
- My income is still the same, was hoping it would get higher, but it stay constant due to my weak management(still learning). Last time i talked in preview, my body vibrated like a phone, but now I got better, I can finally talk in public with confidence biggrin.gif!

February 2012 - I made 7k this month due to the help of my co-leaders which is really loyal to me, and now I got 3 times higher income than my big upline, the one I mention earlier on 17/11/2011.

March 2012 - My mom finally got to know I did this business, suprisingly she quits her job and ask me to support her a bit, now I got to look after her which makes me feel happy, cause all her life I've never did anything for her. My income this month stays the same cause of some drastic changes in my group.

What I wanna say is, I was really skeptical and got no future, but after I joined and learn how to think positively, It really changes my life, from my opinion, in whatever business you're doing, if you got a positive mind, I'm sure you'll do great, but for me Score-A is the best platform smile.gif. If you want any guide, just sms me at 012-6157143 ^^.

This post has been edited by Ryperer: Mar 24 2012, 09:17 AM
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post Mar 24 2012, 10:46 AM

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Errr, selling to help others or recruiting to help ownself?
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post Mar 25 2012, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Mar 24 2012, 10:46 AM)
Errr, selling to help others or recruiting to help ownself?
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Before I joined, I though it was a piramid scheme, where I could never surpassed by leaders income, but not really, I'm way higher than hundreds of my leaders now. It depends on your thinking, cause in any community, religion or anything, there's always the bad guys.
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post Mar 25 2012, 11:36 AM

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Question was never answered. Sell because the product is good nd useful? Or recruit because it meants climbing higher?!
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post Mar 26 2012, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Mar 25 2012, 11:36 AM)
Question was never answered. Sell because the product is good nd useful? Or recruit because it meants climbing higher?!
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rclxms.gif please answer the million dollar question dear Score A members. notworthy.gif
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post Mar 27 2012, 03:06 PM

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my friend joined SCORE-A..

and now holding the product got no ways to use it...

hahaha would suggest ppl to do more research before joining in any business or MLM...

is that suitable u?
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post Mar 29 2012, 05:07 AM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Mar 25 2012, 11:36 AM)
Question was never answered. Sell because the product is good nd useful? Or recruit because it meants climbing higher?!
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Product :

As a member, you're provided with a pack of portal which is the product, the product is yours, which you decide either to sell it, or to give ur kids/brothers/sister, or whatever u want with it, I got 5 of them, sold 2 of them, gave my unty one, and gave my sibling one and left one for me to keep. So far I've heard lots of compliment and complaints about the product, well it never said that using it will gurantee 100% score-A, but since there's tons of testimony of the students who're achieving good results by using product, it's proven and supported by the government, it has it's win and lose. Here's some detail about the product.

the website is - www.score-a.com
operating 24 hours.
UPSR, PMR, SPM subjects are complete including additional subjects.
Trials and real exam papers are kept since 1993, which totals up about 900,000 question paper.
SMS are sent to parent when each paper are finished for results.
Usage are for 1 year.
each portal are for 2 student.
and many more.

The price is rm796 which is cheap, cause let say you're taking SPM, u got 11 subject in your exam 796/ 11 suject/ 12 month/ 2 student = RM3 each subject a month. Tuition centre nowadays is around rm50-100 each subject, and it might be better, but who knows, everyone got their way of studying.

And it's E-Learning, a trend of the world, Malaysia wont be forever using texts book. One day E-Learning will be a replacement.

Conclusion - Sell product because I get help student gets better in education and I get profit, thats me. Some people sell for money, some doesn't bother about money as long as they can make students around them gets better, depends on people. Like those mechanics repairing cars, some repair cause they like seeing the car gets better, some just want money.

Recruitting :

Kenshido has been around for about 13 years, having endorsed by 27 minister and much more~
It's product are education-based and is a Sunrise Business since the world is moving towards E-Learning.
The marketing plan provides high salary since it's a Digital Business, compared to other marketing, Kenshido is at the top in payment.
Systems that gave birth to 64 millionaire in 5 years is really a big help in developing people.

When people see and learn the details about this program, if they wishes to be a Distributor then they can start right away, I never force anyone to join me, it's their choice, because there's tons of people out there looking for oppurtunities.

Becoming a distributor means you're like a promoter, promoting our products, why did I want to be a promoter?I don't like it, but when I look about the facts about Kenshido, its product, its marketing plan, its system, I felt like

"The company is looking really tough, because MLM company usually stays around 2-4 years and die, and supported by ministers, then it means it's a long-term company, it's product is education which I don't need to be a teacher but I can help them get better by selling this products, I've been seeing about 8 MLM company, and the payment are about halfed then Kenshido, no doubt the payment is high, I don't know how to promote but if I just use the System then there's no need for me to talk, all these are easy, and oppurtunity for someone like me to get a better life"

That's what I thought when I'm joined, and those who joined might thought the same way as me.

And recruitment needed are just 4 people, we're not insurance or a uni-marketing.

Conclusion - I recruit people who wishes to change their life, to develop theirself as I developed mine, and to acquirement great wealth together with my business partners. And same concept, some recruit just for money, honestly, I was like that back then, but after acquiring great personalities development, and bought a car, I felt that I wish all my business partner that I recruited, I want them to get and feel what i felt, It's fun seeing these guy chasing their dreams.

It's hard for me to explain fully here, anyway my english isn't that good, whatever you guys are thinking, I bet I have the same way of thinking like you in the past, not your fault if you misunderstood or looking at it negatively.


Added on March 29, 2012, 5:11 am
QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Mar 27 2012, 03:06 PM)
my friend joined SCORE-A..

and now holding the product got no ways to use it...

hahaha would suggest ppl to do more research before joining in any business or MLM...

is that suitable u?
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Because he's not a student right? Just like me, then why would your friend wants to use it, better sell it or give it to others.

One thing I learned in this program, Excuses change nothing, but make everyone feel better, and there's nothing impossible.

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Product is somewhat okay, benefits really depend on the user
But for 66/month for all subjects, it's pretty cheap
It won't replace tuition or extra classes IMO, more like a supplement

If anyone wanna join this, better do some research a bit
Some centres or uplines are like real hardcore mlm for life type, focus on recruit, recruit, recruit . They're no different from those mutual fund consultants from PM or CIMB who just chase commission only, without caring for their clients investments

Yes, you can make money
Yes, you will probably have better communication, presentation and negotiation skills
but please don't be sucked into this mentality that some people fall victim to - that the only way to make money is through MLM, such narrow minded mindset will make you turn a blind eye to other opportunities like (real) jobs and careers or other investments

The company plan is just join, invite two people, duplicate and that's it
It doesn't have to be a full time thing, going around in smart suits or fancy cars trying to CONvince people biggrin.gif

Like most MLM companies, the products are usually good, the companies are okay, just the people who join this thing are suspect, I think


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One thing that i learn from mlmers. Company support by who who. Support by dato, support by minister, support by this and that. Who had join this. Who had join that. It cant be a scam or a chap pa lang company.

So? Everyone thinks madoff company is a legit until it was discover being a ponzi scheme. Many rich people also invest in him. So end up eat banana.

The point is this, if it is that good as you all claim it to be, stop all the saying support by 27 bullshxt minister. Nothing GREAT about being support by minister.


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QUOTE(edyek @ Mar 29 2012, 09:39 PM)
One thing that i learn from mlmers. Company support by who who. Support by dato, support by minister, support by this and that. Who had join this. Who had join that. It cant be a scam or a chap pa lang company.

So? Everyone thinks madoff company is a legit until it was discover being a ponzi scheme. Many rich people also invest in him. So end up eat banana.

The point is this, if it is that good as you all claim it to be, stop all the saying support by 27 bullshxt minister. Nothing GREAT about being support by minister.
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I love your way of thinking, somewhat like I said before, my way of thinking biggrin.gif, I never believed in any MLM company, i used to think that it's all scheme, but weirdly the government approved MLM as a legal business, I wonder why MLM companies like Zhulian, M-way, CNI and much more which had been around for more than 10 years haven't been discovered as a "ponzi scheme", is it? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Ryperer @ Mar 30 2012, 04:40 AM)
I love your way of thinking, somewhat like I said before, my way of thinking biggrin.gif, I never believed in any MLM company, i used to think that it's all scheme, but weirdly the government approved MLM as a legal business, I wonder why MLM companies like Zhulian, M-way, CNI and much more which had been around for more than 10 years haven't been discovered as a "ponzi scheme", is it? smile.gif
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I don't remember Zhulian, M-way, CNI etc go around claiming support from govt, ministers, VVIPs etc. I think their products speak for themselves.
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I find this post absolutely legit. (Even when it's so ancient, 2009, wow)
I'm not putting implications but I find that this Scor-A is directed to families with more than two kids. Normally these families have trouble supporting their education because they just have so many children. Then there's families with only one kid. I doubt these families have trouble supporting just ONE KID. I mean, getting the Scor-A thingy for just ONE KID is highly unreasonable. But then again, some people have all the money in the world hmm.gif

I attended the seminar a few nights back. Was really tempted to join and really tempted to just storm out the seminar. We're humans, greed gets to us. There were figures on the screen. I had only one reason I didn't storm out of that seminar and it wasn't because I wanted to keep listening. My friend took me there so the only ride I had was her. I can't just dump her, what if she'd leave me? So I tuned in and out of the seminar. Really fishy stuff. Then there's the really interesting part with the PM and those political nightmares. Then the presentation of a guy who was once investing in an art gallery.

I don't take up psychology and it's only my perspective but the way this guy was presenting doesn't seem like the guy who got bankrupted investing in an art gallery. Then again, money changes people. But one thing money can't change is personality. He was too proud and boastful to be investing in art (then again, my perspective). He was the guy you see in talk shows. Bankruptcy changes people but somehow I felt that this guy was never bankrupt, even as he was claimed to be. The way he walked and talked looked like a guy who's been living the luxury dream. He was a very doubtful character.

Then they got this lady to go up. Her character was a doctor and a major in the army. Well, she was legit. For the whole of the presentation. She had the ego and everything, the way she spoke and everything, but one thing seemed off about her. Don't armies have this very stable voices? (my perspective) She staggered a bit. hmm.gif maybe I'm too skeptical but hey, I was trying to keep myself from sleeping. The part that really made her a doubtful character was when she left the stage. That shyness. What kind of woman who has been in the army is shy? And a rank of a major for that matter? You'd expect someone like that to always be a rock-like character.

So yeah, I was tempted to join, money was displayed throughout the seminar. Greed gets to people, okay?

My perspective on this whole Scor-A thing is that it'll just suddenly disappear after another E-education thing comes up. The new one will be "bigger and better" and will be more expensive, and will most likely be by a partner company of Kenshido. But of course I'm willing to bet that they're gonna wait for the highest intake of money into the company before they throw out Scor-A and put in a new system.

Thanks for putting up this post.

-Ish!
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post Jul 26 2012, 03:44 PM

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Is it making money? yes it is
Is it a money scam? yes it is
Did the company cheat their distributor or member? no, because they only verbally guide their distributor or member how to sell at the backdoor. Legally did not approach the product to you directly
Will the company closed down because of overwhelming payout like sunshine empire? yes, once the pyramid grows up to certain level, whereby the company couldn't afford for the huge payout commission.

The best part of this game is grab as much as you can before the company closed down. that's the fact!

There are too many real life example out there. the most classic one is sunshine empire. their distributor or member will defend their product till death, so that they could get back their own money and pull out from this game.


Added on July 26, 2012, 3:44 pmIs it making money? yes it is
Is it a money scam? yes it is
Did the company cheat their distributor or member? no, because they only verbally guide their distributor or member how to sell at the backdoor. Legally did not approach the product to you directly
Will the company closed down because of overwhelming payout like sunshine empire? yes, once the pyramid grows up to certain level, whereby the company couldn't afford for the huge payout commission.

The best part of this game is grab as much as you can before the company closed down. that's the fact!

There are too many real life example out there. the most classic one is sunshine empire. their distributor or member will defend their product till death, so that they could get back their own money and pull out from this game.





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RM796 for some useless portal which cost them nothing.
I saw some victims(kena conned) selling it for RM200 in Utusan Malaysia.

This Kenshido company is more interested into recruiting rather than selling their product.

BEWARE!

BONAFIDE in Latin, Trustworthy and Honest.
BONAFIDE in Kenshido = CONMAM , SCAMMER!

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BONAFIDE is a con group. i got cheated off 650 bucks by one upline who is bad and unhelpful, only clever to talk cock... sad.gif
I actually filed a complaint to Kenshido themselves and they have yet seem to have any solid reply to me for this issue. If i still dont get any reply soon enough, i might consider filling a lawsuit against them & the upline. I wholly agree with you fei kei.

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