QUOTE(flashout @ Jan 7 2010, 12:37 PM)
Oh ya.. do u know that Amway did sell CK perfume? U will now know tat one day Amway might sell Microsoft product.
Sorry, but I categorize expensive perfumes under bullshit products Question about Kenshido/Score-A, Business seems fishy to me
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Jan 7 2010, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(flashout @ Jan 7 2010, 12:37 PM) Oh ya.. do u know that Amway did sell CK perfume? U will now know tat one day Amway might sell Microsoft product. Sorry, but I categorize expensive perfumes under bullshit products |
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Jan 7 2010, 03:35 PM
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Well, MLM just another way of marketing. But sad to say that many company nowadays are not doing MLM, instead, they are playing money game. They focus on their systems such as pyramid scheme, binary system and recently i heard about micro-macro business system but not the product. They ask people to join to earn money and find more downlines, they are not selling products anymore. This makes people hate MLM.
I heard about score A and i think that it's a good product. Just the system... ''' |
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Jan 21 2010, 12:23 PM
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MLM is a nowadays kind of business..
and Score A is a one kind of online educational system.. u don't like MLM..then don't bother..coz many of MLM's gain a huge money using thier scheme..but u still wat? a salaried staff range rm1k-6k??? keep on barking about MLM's people who have gain u huge profit.. they don't bother u anyway..u jz a small man for them.. u like it..good..u don't like it..better..don't care bout them..let them do wat they like, as long as it's approved by govrnmnt n Malaysia is towards all on9 system.. still want be like old days??? be it..no one force u if u like to stdy using book.. b4 u hu ha hu ha bout MLM and SKor a.. what if u go to they preview WITH open mind.. EMPTY ur glass... don't judge a thing until u finished.. then u can decide..it's ur choice anyway.. u like..ok..u don't like..still ok.. no one will force u to do what u thing is right i see many people right now jz barking here and there bout MLM but they don't see the way MLM's people see... n how it changed their life.. if they thing MLM all about cheating..so be it.. if they thing MLM CAN change their life..so be it... in the end..u choose ur own destiny rite? yup this jz my opinion.... u all can said wateve... but i still stick with my opinion |
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Jan 21 2010, 01:29 PM
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In term of content.. i think Score A sux! Design not appealing, and system are old style. Nothing much special bout it.
I seen this kind of system, bout 8 years back. Anyone remember E Tutor, Cyber School, Online Ed? Online education system develop under a public listed company.. and one of the company are Berjaya Group. Well.. they found it does not work, due to our internet connection speed and our mind set. Online education being running for long long time oversea.. and ppl being using it like normal daily stuff. So, then only thing Score A can do.. its turn it into MLM.... else, it just going to be another white elephant. So, catch the gimmick behind? :-) |
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Jan 22 2010, 10:37 PM
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I have used and tested Score A. http://score.course4success.com/
It is convenient for me to pay a fee and get what I want online for my children. Leverage on other products and services so that i can be focus on my own business. http://score.course4success.com/ You always have options to get good past year questions 1) Spend MORE TIME to search for it. 2) Pay a fee and get it done with it. What concern me is the children results. Would the program help my children effectively. No doubt about the Score A product help many parents to ease with their busy schedule. Some parents share the same Score A product http://score.course4success.com/ with others so that they can be benefited. When we share something with other, a smart business minded parents will ask "What is that in for me? When I share this with other". In order to encourage sharing of the program and reward some parents who are dedicated. MLM is the best option and I cannot think of any other approach. I am a user and also share the program with others. You will see all win in all aspects, no doubt there are some skeptical about MLM scheme and having phobia about scams. Let me test it for another 10 years, then I will feedback the result to you again. The company has 10 years good performance. That is all I can help for those still not sure about http://score.course4success.com/ QUOTE(DeniseLau @ Jul 25 2009, 01:13 AM) --This is not an MLM promotion thread. I heard about this "business" from someone I know and I would like some input from forummers here on whether this business model is legit, or it's just another one of those concealed Ponzi-Pyramid schemes.-- Today while at dinner with a few people I know, I came upon a discussion for something called Score-A by a company called Kenshido International Sdn. Bhd. Resource: 1. http://www.score-a.com.my/ 2. http://www.skor-a.com.my/ 3. http://www.kenshido.com/ From what I understand by the explanations I got, it seems like a destined-to-collapse pyramid scheme to me. I'll try explaining it here. Any information on this "business" would be very much appreciated. **Again, this is NOT a promotion for an MLM/Pyramid/Ponzi business** The Product Okay so from what I understand, Kenshido has developed a online education program. Basically what this program does is that, you have an account with Score-A and you can log in to do question papers for subjects thought in schools. It's just like how people used to do questions on revision books, but it's online. Also this web application has a number of features, it does grading for the online exams, sends the scores to the child's parents via SMS and so on. In my opinion, this online exam thing is nothing beyond what an ordinary Multimedia University (MMU) student from the Faculty of Information Technology (FIT) can do for their Final Year Projects. Kenshido makes money, I guess, through the subscription fee which you have to pay for the Score-A account, which is insanely expensive. The Business Alright, now for the business part which is the fishy part. Normally when a legit company creates this kind of software with the legit intention to improve education while making some profit from it, the company would try to engage the government, schools, tuition centres and parents. They would also sell CDs and DVDs for the account and other apps through prominent bookstores like Popular, MPH and Kinokunia. However, this Kenshido seems to have taken what I think is an MLM approach for distributing and selling it's Score-A product. As I understand it, this is how it works: *quick notes: Kenshido calls what we know as web accounts as "Portals" Kenshido calls what we know as account subscription extension as "Top Up" Figures such as prices are rough figures, I can't remember the exact amount. Error on my part is +/- RM50 for all except profit calculation where error is +/- RM300 - You invest about RM1780.00 in a 5-account pack of Score-A - You find 5 people to sell these accounts to for about RM620.00 each, which gives the buyer 6-months validity (only!!) - If you manage to sell all 5, your profit would be: Profit = Revenue - Cost = (RM620.00 x 5) - RM1780 = RM1320 - After 6-months, the buyer will have to buy an extension, which is another RM200++ (yeah... not joking) - When your buyers pay to extend, you earn commission Additionally, you can recruit other sellers too, who like you will buy 5-account packs and resell it to others, and you earn commission too when they buy the 5-account packs (I think... not so sure also). And then each of your recruited sellers will recruit more sellers and the pyramid grows la... Apparently the target is to get 14 "generation" or layers of recruits under you, which will apparently help you earn RM1192.00 per day. The Fishy-ness 1. The pyramid keeps growing at a rapid rate. Not only do you need more sellers, each of these sellers need to sell the accounts to other users (parents of school-children). 2. Since the product is an e-learning, online examination thing, access to computer WITH internet connection is vital. The number of households in Malaysia with school-going children which has a computer with internet connection and parents who are tech-aware is very small compared to the population. Basically, the pie isn't very big, just look at Malaysia's broadband penetration rate, and subtract out all families without school-going children and all families who can't afford about RM800/year on a bunch of online test papers, which you can get in print for like RM12 from Popular. 3. The pricing of the product itself is extremely high for such a simple application. It's unjustifiable for most middle-to-low-income parents to fork out hundreds of Ringgit just for a system that puts exam questions online and lets parents see the results of the child's performance through SMS and other means. It's much better to just buy a few exam question books from Popular Bookstore and let the child do it and mark the questions once the child is done. Also doing it on paper allows for better simulation of a real exam, rather than clicking answers on a screen. 4. For a company that is trying to promote their product in a genuine way, I don't see why they need to resort to MLM methods to promote their product. MLM methods serves only to tarnish the brand name of the product and company. The Question Does anybody here have any experiences with Skor-A or Kenshido International Sdn. Bhd.? Please do share your knowledge here. Also, anyone know how to verify if this is a legit business? I see MLM schemes becoming more and more sophisticated nowadays, I don't know if the current Malaysian laws are keeping up with this. |
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Jan 23 2010, 12:24 AM
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Hi there ,i've just attend the Kenshido MLM seminar and i was quite convinced by this peoples even though their presentation were just a simple & tedious one .Due to the heavy fees to be pay ,i'm really doubt about joining / not joining ,because you know the word "MLM" is already ruined in this country and probably you need to cheat people to say that "this is not a MLM ,this is all about educational product ,who don't need education nowadays ?NO ONE "
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Jan 27 2010, 11:58 AM
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CHECK THE VIDEO
Part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lth0HkIUVcY Part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-asLPKfwSaY [ |
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Apr 9 2010, 04:51 PM
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I've attended their preview last week. They spent 10 mins on the product benefit, etc. and 30 mins on how to make money. Just from that, I know straight away that this is not about education. This is how to make money, MLM style. I feel cheated by my friend who invited me (I'm pretty sure he's hoping for me to join under him) . I stormed out from the seminar room right away.
If your product is just the database of PMR, SPM questions online what you need to maintain is just the server. The cost should be much cheaper than what has been promoted. The high price of joining fees is distributed among existing members. Thats how the members makes money. In the end, you need to find 'kaki'. If you're the kind who comfortable this kind of thing, by all means go ahead. But MLM is not my cuppa. P/S : For my kids, I just use Didik that comes FREE with newspaper as supplement, and from tutor.com.my. What I know, my kids scored wayyy much better in SPM compared with my colleagues' kids who joined Score-A |
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Apr 9 2010, 11:30 PM
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I seen their preview before and one high achiever promised you can be millionaire if you follow his method else he refund your joining fee. I wanna laugh.
Product wise, I find it ok since there are many students who have used it and there are results to prove that it worked. |
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Apr 28 2010, 11:52 AM
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I read most of the replies here and seems like few people tends only to understand and thinks that Score A is only about MLM and Network Marketing, and don't really want to understand what the products is. Score A is a products and endorsed by the Ministry of Education (recently launched by our TPM too). If you're joining the Distributor for Score A, you have to understand that you're throwing your money for "BUSINESS". This is the main thing that people tend to forget while dealing with MLM business. MLM is also a business that give you an opportunity to grow your money with small investment and gain more money until you reach millionaires/rich status. Any business will involve profit and loss and if anybody don't understand business matters, please study and learn the first and foremost of business activities.
Any business required good product before you can market it widely. Therefore, Score A is the products and not the MLM. The business to market the Score A is related and fall under the MLM-type of business as sanctioned and license by ROB/C (AJL license). It is similar to Hai-O, Amway, VEMMA and the rest of the world. YOu have to think that MLM is just like a small franchise program that helps you do a business with a small fraction of money. Then, when you ahve a business, do you just sit there and wait for your money to grow?? No such thing will happen unless you're really establish and have enough money in the banks with a FD accounts, then you can wish for. All richest/millionaires people in the wordl are doing business. And they worked hard everyday and every seconds counts. Even Donald Trump also have to worked hard everyday to ensure that the money that he has will grow more and more. Same like MLM. It is a business and once you enter a business, you have to work hard to earn money. Same as other business. Simple as that!!! |
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QUOTE(jimwest @ Apr 28 2010, 11:52 AM) YOu have to think that MLM is just like a small franchise program that helps you do a business with a small fraction of money. Then, when you ahve a business, do you just sit there and wait for your money to grow?? No su1ch thing will happen unless you're really establish and have enough money in the banks with a FD accounts, then you can wish for. The thing is that you don't really have a business, you're paying to be their salesman. QUOTE(jimwest @ Apr 28 2010, 11:52 AM) All richest/millionaires people in the wordl are doing business. 6% of rich Americans inherited their wealth (http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/04/inheritance-is-not-main-driver-of.html) QUOTE(jimwest @ Apr 28 2010, 11:52 AM) And they worked hard everyday and every seconds counts. Even Donald Trump also have to worked hard everyday to ensure that the money that he has will grow more and more. Trump is not an MLM salesman. He would be bankrupt by now if the US government didn't bail him out. |
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May 1 2010, 10:57 AM
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to be honest im pretty afraid of investing in this kind of things... the person giving the talk is like aa don't worry... I will help you one don't worry i will help you one... but somehow i have this doubt within my head.. like is this ever gonna generate income? ._.
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May 2 2010, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(jimwest @ Apr 28 2010, 12:52 PM) I read most of the replies here and seems like few people tends only to understand and thinks that Score A is only about MLM and Network Marketing, and don't really want to understand what the products is. Score A is a products and endorsed by the Ministry of Education (recently launched by our TPM too). If you're joining the Distributor for Score A, you have to understand that you're throwing your money for "BUSINESS". This is the main thing that people tend to forget while dealing with MLM business. MLM is also a business that give you an opportunity to grow your money with small investment and gain more money until you reach millionaires/rich status. Any business will involve profit and loss and if anybody don't understand business matters, please study and learn the first and foremost of business activities. well,Any business required good product before you can market it widely. Therefore, Score A is the products and not the MLM. The business to market the Score A is related and fall under the MLM-type of business as sanctioned and license by ROB/C (AJL license). It is similar to Hai-O, Amway, VEMMA and the rest of the world. YOu have to think that MLM is just like a small franchise program that helps you do a business with a small fraction of money. Then, when you ahve a business, do you just sit there and wait for your money to grow?? No such thing will happen unless you're really establish and have enough money in the banks with a FD accounts, then you can wish for. All richest/millionaires people in the wordl are doing business. And they worked hard everyday and every seconds counts. Even Donald Trump also have to worked hard everyday to ensure that the money that he has will grow more and more. Same like MLM. It is a business and once you enter a business, you have to work hard to earn money. Same as other business. Simple as that!!! i had been dealing with education related line for years As far as i know, anything which really direct or indirect related to Education, will have to apply approval from LAN i don't see any related approvals from this company. From this point, it's providing education services but Pure Trading company |
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QUOTE(storm88 @ May 2 2010, 10:55 PM) well, I don't see tuition centre needing approval from LAN.i had been dealing with education related line for years As far as i know, anything which really direct or indirect related to Education, will have to apply approval from LAN i don't see any related approvals from this company. From this point, it's providing education services but Pure Trading company |
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May 3 2010, 07:58 AM
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May 19 2010, 09:20 AM
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I saw an ugly side of Score A when a 'successful' distributor met me and told me (or boasted?) that he got a headmaster of a school to sign up under him and he earned 5 figures income easily after that..How it works?
The headmaster implemented a rule that every student need to purchase a login in order to get access to the past year exam via web (all under the name of embracing IT) Those who doesn't have computer or internet access at home must do it in school's computer lab Please, tell me that is not a sick way to get rich...You must be the most selfish person on earth to do that to school-kids for your own monetary gain... |
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May 19 2010, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(zirconia @ May 19 2010, 09:20 AM) I saw an ugly side of Score A when a 'successful' distributor met me and told me (or boasted?) that he got a headmaster of a school to sign up under him and he earned 5 figures income easily after that..How it works? This kind of thing is very common especially in chinese schools. Better go report them to MACC you will be surprised how much some headmasters actually siphoned offThe headmaster implemented a rule that every student need to purchase a login in order to get access to the past year exam via web (all under the name of embracing IT) Those who doesn't have computer or internet access at home must do it in school's computer lab Please, tell me that is not a sick way to get rich...You must be the most selfish person on earth to do that to school-kids for your own monetary gain... |
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May 19 2010, 12:07 PM
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be bear in mind that there si another e learning programme popping up.
and it may acts as a competitor to the Score A programme. the programme that i mention is actually www.ittv.com.my It is a IBOXX Tuition TV ( A simulate classroom Revision at home). basically it resembles a set of TV corporated with hard disk with lots of teachings and lessons from experienced and professional tutors. more interactive as i would say when compared to Score A programme, but the problem is nowadays with the advent of high tech and e portal and e learning, how does one ensure the sustainability of this new online edu learning bussiness ? how far does this e learning goes in our country? does it really meant for the supplements of learning methods? or just purely bussiness minded purposes? |
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All those in the education industry just purely for profit making. Look at HELP, they hope to hit 100m profit by this year
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