THIS THE THIRD TIME THEY DID THIS TO ME>....

LAST TIME SAID I MENTION PIRATED ITEM IN MY THREAD THIS TIME MY NEW THREAD TOTALLY NEVER WRITE IN ANY ABOUT PIRATED STUFF BUT THEY STILL DELETE MY THREAD WITHOUT ANY NOTIFICATION


THAT REALLY UNFAIR TO ME & A LOT MY DEAR FORUMER BRO & SIS !!!

BIG COMPLAIN BIG COMPLAIN!!!!

This post has been edited by nelsonkoay: Jul 16 2009, 01:45 PM

last time i writed *modded , also kena close >.<

i think you better make new 1 , then save the whole text in notepad or microsoft.....next time create new topic just copy and paste~ ^^

This post has been edited by yoonyin: Jul 16 2009, 01:24 PM

Maybe u should report to front desk nelson

I DUNNO HOW AND DUNNO WHICH MODERATOR DELETE MY POST

AI...........WHATEVER LAR!

wow...that's sux...moderator should've announced/pm-ed every LYN-an about new rule...

I TELL U THEIR NEW RULES IS DELETE YOUR POST AND NO NEED ANY REASON LAR....I THINK OWNER OF LYN SHOULD NOTICE THAT!!! ASK MODERATOR BEHAVE AND LEARN HOW TO DISCUSS WITH THEIR FORUMER

same here..happen 2 me before
this kinda moderator sitting at fancy chair there do nothing 1.
just delete and wait salary come saje

mod got salary?
not volunteer?

File a complaint at the helpdesk

I WISH TO VOLUNTEER THEM SALARY JUST DON'T COME AND DISTURB PPL BUSINESS WITH NO REASON AND NO ANY ADVICE!WHAT KIND OF MODERATOR????

NOW ECONOMY VERY BAD,MALAYSIA RINGGIT KEEP DROPING....EVERYBODY BUSINESS IS VERY POOR DY.PLEASE KEEP HAND LAR BRO.

the mod already announce..
but why suddenly change?
don't tell me they just
NOTICE: PIRACY ? today?
when this has been running 2 years already

i dun know y they think freebies as pirated game .. freebies can be anything .. mod should explain the reason..

Unlock caps please

I visited your thread before Nelson and remember seeing warning from a staff IIRC stating you breaking rules for indirect bump.. not sure if this is the reason for the deletion

Edit: Mistaken for another person

This post has been edited by gundamalpha: Jul 16 2009, 02:43 PM

NO?

That time I saw was when I purchase Demon's Souls from you.. around March I think

i think its time to launch operation "boycott" to moderator to show power of forumer and yeah ~~~

so kesian those seller...

what a JOKE!!!

this fella got pics and description of pirated disks and yet his thread is still there until now

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1089793

mod having double standard targeting shop owners?

I was the one who deleted all your threads.

For those of you claiming there was no warning, there was an announcement placed at the top of this forum yesterday.

The reason the majority of your threads received the axe today was because we have found that there are quite a majority of you who have decided to bundle "Free Gifts" with your console sets. Now, normally we wouldn't think twice about this but this was immediately after we started removing threads that offered "Free Games"...

Put two and two together...

Why are we doing this? Simple:
We believe that in the majority of cases where "free gifts/games" are provided, they are usually pirated games. As such we cannot condone that sort of behavior.
Thus, you, as a seller should be responsible to state what is it that you are providing free here so that we and potential buyers know that you are providing non-pirated goods.

This is in the interest of promoting a piracy free trading area here.

I will reinstate threads on appeal. But those of you that still maintained the usual "Free 10 x games" are out of luck.

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Added on July 16, 2009, 3:18 pmThanks for the report... Dealt with it.

This post has been edited by H@H@: Jul 16 2009, 03:18 PM

Give the mods/staff/admin some time to clean the garage

Thanks for such reinforcement, saving efforts for people to make sure they are buying original stuff

errr... see the report button? Click it pls.
We're not everywhere you know

Btw, if we're really against "someone" or "somebody" that "someone" or "somebody" wouldn't even be in posting anymore...got the drift?!

wah. no need pay for forum also scream and shout like that.

Can staff/mods/admins clarify these:

1. Modded 360
2. R4 (or similar device for NDS)

Are these allowed? I can't find any other reason for modding a 360 for now other than for the purpose of piracy. Not sure about NDS's flash carts but it may be used for theme purpose, at least that's what I heard of.

yea reply pls mr.mod

we need to know

if you all do not allow us to buy or sell pirated games.
then what about MODDED.
what's MODDED FOR then?
PLAY ORIGINAL GAMES ON MODDED?
LOL -WTF?

they are besically used to do u know what already , unless someone is selling them .

The reason for me not mentioning other modded consoles is because they could be modded to run imported games as well, while 360 is the only one which do not serve that purpose. I do believe modding for the purpose of playing imports is allowed, unless the mod/admin/staff tells me otherwise

trader still buying the console from "original manufacturer" right? mean not they or the pirate build the console, so it still consider not pirate, coz the manufacturer still earn for the unit that sold.

but for pirate game, are the developer nor publisher gain any incentive? the answer is NO.

buying PS3 MY set with 2 "free game" consider as pirated game

LOL-WTF?

Modded doesnt mean play piracy game.

Again~

I mod my console or handheld with homebrew because I want to run some homebrew software. There are a lof of homebrew software like using cheats, and running original games from other region.

Well I agree that I do play pirated games because i would like to try the game first before i buy the original game. Original game aint cheap in malaysia. So I would like to avoid regretting in the future.

Exactly , some people do mod their consoles in order to run homebrew programs. For instance my Playstation 2 is a modified console - this allows me to run Linux on it or to play pong or even run GameBoy colour emulator to play some classic GBC games. The main reason why its modified or what-so-ever its because to allow folks to come up with homebrew applications and programs. This concept applies to iPhone as well and its known as jailbreak

That's why SONY came up with a method to prevent PS3 from being modded for the purpose of running homebrew stuff - instead they allowed folks to run Linux on it so that they can experiment with it and run their own programs in Linux ! - Smart eh

i see..
tq senior and mod I mean..moderator not modded ppl
haha
=P

Hhahaa...relax bro nelson...just simply remove the "FREE GAMES" off your list and just put "Come and visit my shop for further information or special prices"..

@mods
Seriously, I've had personally deal with Nelson before and I got my PSP and PS3 from him and I've yet to encounter any dispute with him over the products he sells...
My PSP memory stick was faulty the first day when I got it from him,but he just changed it back for me without asking any further questions or doubting whether I've swapped it with a faulty one.

Just kindly ask SHOP OWNERS to remove their pirated games and free games advertisements or issue warning.
But then again.....how can shops nowadays survive without including "FREE GAMES"?????

Let's put it this way, do you think Sony Centre earns more in terms of PS3 sales and games compared to shops like Nelson's and others???
I don't think so and if they were to survive in this harsh economy, they somehow need to offer "goodies" to attract in customer.

And let's face it,seriously,honestly,do you,AS A MOD, have never ever buy pirated games before or download it off the internet?
I may never know whether you did it or not but all I can say that we do sometimes buy pirated games right?
Is not that we are not supporting genuine products but is that budget and income sometimes forces us to take the "alternative" way to enjoy the game.

So why so serious?just issue warn or pinned it up since you're a STAFF now?

The thing is, we've been "reminding" them about this fact for years now. Just like how we ban idiots who say "ahem" and think they can get away with it.

This is an online forum with a community. He is running a business. We are trying to foster a community that is pro-originals and as such, allowing sellers to sell pirated games totally goes against this.

Again, he is making a thread on this site for free, hence he has to comply by our standards. (He mentioned earlier, he'd offer to "donate" to us mods cash to leave his threads alone... Bribery eh?)

We don't claim to be all saints.
But LYN is a public forum. Although public, legal actions can still be taken against this site. Thus why do you think we try to limit religious and political debates to only one section? Same goes to why we do not allow piracy discussions/items, imitations, "anti virus keys" etc...

It's to prevent any dispute towards LYN as a forum.

I'll pull back my words previously then since that you've mentioned you've been reminding him for years.
But like I've said earlier..you guys can suggest that he post up special offers or come visit his shop for further information....or just call up for attractive packages.

Providing good service doesn't mean that he'll be allowed to sell pirated games here. You have rules to follow should you want to run your sales here. Nobody is excluded from it.

The Rules and Regulations had been pinned up for years therefore I believe there's no excuse for not adhering to it. We had been constantly dropping verbal reminders in some of the seller's thread but advise were not taken hence we got no choice but to just nuke them for good.

We don't give two hoots to what you are practicing outside as long as you be good and abide to the R&R should you choose to sell your products in LYN.

You've been asking us why so serious but ironically you've been repeating seriously for at least 2 times. So why so cooked up over such tiny matter? Have a chill pill

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Added on July 16, 2009, 9:52 pmAre you suggesting to us that we should 'teach' him how to indirectly sell his prohibited products via the methods above? Don't you think that it's plain absurd? End of the day we'll have more cases of "Hey, I've been cheated by xxx shop and they gave me pirated stuff" in our Trade Zone Dispute Corner. The worst is when they start blaming us for 'teaching' the sellers wonderful ways to hide or indirectly promote those illegal items to the innocent buyers and are you gonna responsible for all these? Do ponder.

This post has been edited by vikingw2k: Jul 16 2009, 09:57 PM

Maybe you got the wrong meaning sir,I wasn't being hostile...it was just two cents on it....,don't worry...I ain't getting hyped up for such a small matter.

Before you speak or type,try going through what this sellers are going through in their perspective....you think is easy if your shops is gonna survive alone with just original games...go ahead...no one is stopping you but you'll be suffering for a heck of a time.
To be a trade enforcer I believe is to be able to understand what the sellers are also going through in times like these.

And before jumping to conclusions about teaching whatever to sellers on how to indirectly promote illegal items, please do so look at those feedback comments that are posted previously in Nelson's thread. Majority of them are good comments and because of that I only went to him and got my PSP and PS3.

This post has been edited by Omochao: Jul 16 2009, 10:00 PM

yeah right , modding only means 1 thing here in malaysia , all of us know what its for. dont cheat yourself. deep down we all know it. but refuse to admit it in the open.

just saying that if thread with "free games" get the bin. thread with "modded" hardware should do to. No double standards on this things. we cant fight piracy when its only convenient for us.

This post has been edited by esca_flo: Jul 16 2009, 10:04 PM

Some people do modding just for trying what other function can be done with it like what Prasys said earlier...homebrew(which doesn't necessarily means pirated stuffs)
Don't just simply jump to conclusion.

seriously dude.....ask ppl with modded console what is their main purpose for it to be modded , maybe 1 out of 100000 will say they use it for homebrew bla bla bla bullshit. in truth , its only for pirated games because its "free game" .

thus " free game" and modded console goes hand in hand. u cant take out the other and hope it will be ok , u hv to take out both. but we know that wont happen here anytime soon.

This post has been edited by esca_flo: Jul 16 2009, 10:09 PM

Thanks,for that comment I'm not replying to any of your messages anymore....bullshit or no bullshit...there are people out there who does modding just for the sake of testing out homebrew and not pirated games....you'll never know there are pro hard-core Sony supporters.

No la, every Malaysian with common sense will know how to differentiate ori and pirated, I understand that this forum cannot be seen selling pirated stuff, but to TS, instead of complaining, you should just mention "PM me for freebies, negotiate, etc"

As a Trade Enforcer, I'm assigned to clamp down threads which goes against the R&R to protect our forum from unnecessary threats should there's any dispute. Open your eyes, don't just look from a narrow point of view. Look at what if LYN getting sued for allowing the trading of pirated stuff?

Also, like what I've mentioned earlier, we don't give two hoots of whether the seller is providing good service or not. That wouldn't make us exclude him from the R&R.

On the other hand, I've just sent nelson for 3 days vacation for creating duplicate account to give false feedback in his personal sales thread.

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Added on July 16, 2009, 10:22 pmI beg to differ. We don't need to have this if everyone practices common sense all the time.

This post has been edited by vikingw2k: Jul 16 2009, 10:26 PM

Ok....I've understand your point and stand on it....I know that your job comes with a heavy burden and consequences if you were to take it lightly and just cover one eyes over a small thing.
And yes,I've got to agree that LYN will get sued for allowing trading pirated stuffs.And I personally wouldn't want that to happen.
Sorry for viewing it narrowly and because the way I view might jeopardize the entire forum credibility.

Lolwut?Nelson created a dupe to give false feedback?I'm seriously disappointed on that.....


Anyway,thanks for the nice discussion and explanation vikingw2k....hopefully you don't take this matter seriously.No harm done.

LYN has very good reason to be strict on the issue of piracy, because they will get into serious trouble if the authorities catch wind of people using the forums to sell pirated software.

Contrary to popular assumption, public forums are not democracies, and do not guarantee you any rights to use it. The site owners, staff and mods aren't obliged to answer to you or provide any reason for actions taken on you, and if they do its a courtesy.

Frankly, my take is that if you want to use any free forums, you play by their rules or gtfo.

Arguing, railing and whining is childish and won't get you anywhere.

Remember, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do."

I won't say much.
But I can tell you he's been doing this since day 1.

Nicely said...thumbs up for you.


Well....I've to understand that when people are desperate for money...they'll tend to take desperate ways as well.

Hit the REPORT button the next time you sniffed him doing so. Help this community to reduce pests like them.

Does this count as a multiple account then?
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1099077

There are people with modded consoles but not for piracy purpose in this country I can assure you. If you are talking about XBox 360 then yes, but for other consoles that's not quite true.

In my opinion if the seller is saying modded only, it doesn't have to be considered modded for piracy, the are lots kind of mod including case mod for one of the example.

If its written only as "modded console", what goes behind the scene is beyond LYN responsibility. So I guess it can be permitted. Unless LYN require the seller to state what kind of mod for that console. But why bother if LYN is not affiliated to Microsft nor been fund by them to counter piracy for their stuff.

Man, if PJ were around, he'd whip your head 3 ways through Sunday for saying that.

I'm not a console gamer and even I know (Through being reminded very frequently) that there's more to modding than playing "backup games".

The thing is, with "Free games", its almost certainly pirated games (If it weren't, there'd definitely be an "ori" added to it or there'd be a tremendous price hike). If it isn't, all we're asking sellers to do is specify what are these free gifts.

With modding, its not a sure thing. There ARE actual non-piracy related reasons to console modding and we cannot punish these ppl just because there are others who are in it just for piracy.

That's obvious piracy, first the emulator contains bios that is the property of Nintendo, secondly I don't recall any GBC games released can be loaded using an emulator. Homebrew does not carry the meaning of emulation.

Edit: Examples of recent homebrew games include DUX and Last Hope

This post has been edited by gundamalpha: Jul 16 2009, 11:29 PM

Bla bla bla

iyo..... this is universal forum everywan oso got they'r own business ...
no need to show that u r the wan who r dealing here some more dealing in this forum dont need to use $$$ ... juz FREE ... so, think positive la ... wat rule is rule la ... juz think positive tk it easy and everythings go fine.. juz my opinion cheers and hv a nice day ahead .

This post has been edited by Darkkittie: Jul 17 2009, 03:01 AM

I concur with what one of the staff said , running a forum is no easy task , and there must be some sort of dictatorship , if you feel you can do things better , hey , phpbb is free , and hosting is cheap now , you can sail in your own direction and be with those who want to follow in that direction , but you'd take responsibility for whatever happens for trading counterfeit items .

oh mai...FREE games

i dont see TS replying any of the reasons given to him here...instead i see other members replying in his stead?

the device that has been modded itself is still considered legitimate to sell due to the reason it is manufactured officially by the company itself

games that are so called "free" are actually burned downloaded programs from god knows where

so isint it so darn right straight forward that is is already?

if you are bundling the product then state clearly that it is original games, how hard could that be?

and didnt the trade enforcer REMINDED you about this?

funny how some ppl react here, when the forum admins are doing their job to rid off piracy users complain

when didnt do anything to reduce piracy user also complain

wtf la...as a tech based forum we should be supporting original...dahlah selling fakes...lagi mau kecoh

ROFL! what a joke!

He was on suspension because creating dupe accounts to bump and gives his thread an "oomphh"

i have something to ask

if my customer use my WIFI or PC to login his account to bump thread also be suspend??
it is same ip

WiFi?

Don't think both computer using the same WiFi will have same IP.

We're not that strict to the point where the moment we suspect there's a dupe, we ban.

We usually only ban dupes if they do one of the following:
1) Engage in conversations together in the forum. Usually done to drum up false interest or feeedback. These are ban on sight.
2) Attempt to promote the same things throughout the forum independently (Also to drum up false interest but with no direct interaction with each other)

Otherwise, we usually give the benefit of the doubt to the users.

Can I expect the selling of modded XBox 360 be allowed here?

If that's the case I'd feel a little disappointed, really

^please refer back post

Modded console are still Legitimate
So you can sell.

This issue is about the "FREE GIFT" where most of the scenario given referred as pirated games.

Hope Private John or Kite can come here and clarify that modded 360 only serve the purpose of piracy at least at the current state, they are more familiar with this.

what if "FREE GIFT" refer to bag pouch.. or Screen protector...

Then they should state as such. We're not saying you can't give free gifts with your sales... Only that you MUST state what it is you are giving for free.

You sure you never touched any pirated stuff before? As far as I know, it is extremely rare to find a Malaysian that never touched/used pirated stuff before. Keke.

*mod/staff: you can park all the mods/staffs complaints to a sub-forum instead?

wanna come my house check?

i dunno bout my sis...but even my psp3k isint modded even thou i know i can

and im using all UMD

i bought original Steam Valve CD for my CSS

even my red alert 3 is ori

my OS are all ori

music also all ori

movie all ori

you want more proof bout my music source?check my blog, i snap pics to use in my blog header

its funny how some of us got generalized together with these pirates or their supporters

try going to audiophile sect, most of us even imported foreign pressed CD for its quality due to the lousy production of CDs manufactured in Malaysia

not to mention how well the source was recorded

anything you wanna ask me some more?

Relax lar icy.....enuff of explaining to them...some of em might not get it....

meh

just becoz they do it they think EVERY one is doing it...

i actually find LYN trade enforcers to be very efficient in a sense that they are pro active in curbing piracy...unlike some online trading sites which doesn't really filter sales

yet some users are just so whiny about such petty matters when they themselves are at fault

im not pointing fingers here FYI

im posting this in a sense that "siapa makan cili dia yang pedas".

Act donno dont care lar...as long as the trade enforcers are upkeeping the tranquility and safety of all trades in LYN then is fine.....

QFT!! Especially the one in RED.

A little off topic, even sometimes original CD, if the song is recorded in a bad studio, the quality is bad also. Especially Jay Chow song, imho its recorded in a bad studio even listening with ori cd!

you guys just don't wanna admit to point the fact that

MODDED CONSOLES ARE FOR US TO PLAY PIRATED GAMES

just say YOU DON'T
alright?

COZ IF YOU DO.
I will say this is a joke.

I BUY 10 ORIGINAL GAMES = RM14xx for a MODDED console.
oh REALLLLLY

oh pls don't give me the excuse for saying gamers mod it for someother stuff like homebrew and all that crap.
that's not the MAIN criteria.

SO IF you guys pin-point about this PIRATED issue.
then pin it on this as well.
otherwise,
DON'T?

seriously I am not trying to bitter here..
is just unfair if lets say you shut 1 person up instead of shutting everyone up.
that's the que

This post has been edited by Osphotic: Jul 17 2009, 09:54 PM

So now how...??whats the conclusion...??anyone...??

Please answer ?

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Added on July 17, 2009, 10:02 pmI am a moderator in cubizone...so may I suggest a good knockback template for you to reply to the forumers? =)

This post has been edited by Osphotic: Jul 17 2009, 10:02 PM

Close thread please.....
Either you all follow the rules or just leave this board and hang around other forums......

Before close thread..
wish you birthday 1st = =

Before close thread...
Thanks....

And being a moderator for cubizone doesn't means the rules and regulations and also tolerations being applied there will be the same as in Lowyat.net....
Every forum has its own R&R and most of them have been tweaked and readjusted to suit the whole community...the admins aren't gonna tweaked it again just for the sake of you....so please do understand.

Happy Birthday 2 u then

btw anyone can answer my quote?

This post has been edited by Osphotic: Jul 17 2009, 10:11 PM

This is a free forum, u are not putting in any charge nor any payment.
Please do tolerate n give n take. No one is perfect, u also must do some part from u reading the regulation, dont expect people to spoon feed u everything.

Has u been informed all the law in malaysia, no, right?

Maybe to avoid this repeat at the future, i suggest that before one to enter kopitian or RWI for the first time, i suggest that there are special menu whihch indicated all law in the forum n the forumer must click i agreed in order to continue, or else this things is keep coming out

im not a moderator

but i do agree that in some way of modding a specific part of the console is against the "say no to piracy" policy

BUT, we still cant deny the fact that there are other types of modding does not help in piracy

as a moderator in your own forum i think you should have more knowledge than me in that particular part of modifications im stating right?

so you are suggesting that we limit the sales of modded console even thou they are legitimate for sales?

"a knife can be of good and evil, it takes sides depending on the user itself"

Seriously, we can do that if we wanted to, i.e. banning on modded consoles. Previously there's already a debate going on on whether or not wanting to do that.
But like explained by H@H@ and prasys and other forummers, modded consoles doesn't really meant playing pirated games although it's a norm. Thus we haven't reached that state of banning modded consoles yet.

actually should be banned but one of the elements need to be highlighted modded console can do only this play region free games from overseas but just user abuse it .

Dude, even if i mod the console, I am still paying 1k for the console.

How much are u paying for the games then? You are paying 5-10bucks for ppl to copy the blardy game and those copier aint paying a single cent to the developer of the game.

At least if I add a modchip, I still support whichever company who produce the machine.

Adding a modchip to wii for example allow us to play games from different region and sometimes certain region game is cheaper and release earlier ( i am talking bout original ).

While for the homebrew, its another story!

And I keep repeating myself that statement holds true for consoles other than XBox360

we all know there is more to modding than playing backup games but then this is lovely malaysia. we all know why ppl here wants to mod , most of them buying xbox360 modded is because of wanting to live like its the last generation where we all get our games for rm 5 a piece. they want to stretch it to this generation of gaming. i sound like a broken record now.


well no free game but modded console ahemxbox360ahem can be sold here. talking about double standards. btw when i brought up modded console , im talking about xbox360. ps2 usually is automatically modded here in malaysia. and getting a ps2 original game in malaysia is downright ridiculous. no where to be found except some forumer selling 2nd hand ps2 ntsc/u and of course play-asia. carry on then. its a free forum anyway. just remember deep down we all know this is double standards.


p.s: who is this PJ that can whip my head 3 ways through Sunday ? By whipping head u mean reply in this thread or physically whipping my head ? because i would love to see someone try whipping my head.

This post has been edited by esca_flo: Jul 18 2009, 01:02 AM

so sad ppl just dont know how to read

so sad ppl only read with squinted eyes and refuse to open their eyes wide to see the whole picture.

Isn't this issue already solved?

knives is allowed to be bought but it doesnt mean u can use it to rob other ppl

its either i saw fanboyism is running around or just some fellas got too much of free time and trying to stop piracy
lets say, u manage to stop modded console sales in lyn, tell me, what do you get? do microsoft offer you some kind of reward? no?
then what's the point of standing so firm in your opinion then?

i believe the thread has served its purpose and it should be closed to prevent further flaming incident