Deadlocks,

<<And do you understand why ORGANIZED VIOLENCE is needed?>>

Organized Violence is NOT needed.

Human may have violence tendency. But, in order for ORGANIZED VIOLENCE such as WAR to happen, it needs

A) The ORGANIZER

B) People willing to be ORGANIZED

Without (A) and (B), it cannot happen.

And, for (B), the PEASANT aka FOOLS, they GAINED NOTHING from WAR. They lose their lives and much munch more. So, it is KIND to call them STUPID and IGNORANCE.

Stupid is Stupid does.
- Forrest Gump


It is VERY SIMPLE. If you want to stop WAR, we need to get rid of the mind set that WAR is necessary and needed. Now, if you do not want to stop WAR, what is there to discuss?? People can blame rock, stone, arrows, and guns for killing people in the WAR.

Read "Art of War" by Sun Tzu. Sun Tzu has a very impartial and honest view of what war is. It is JUST a political tool by the ruler.

Dreamer

Yes, it is a political tool, war is something that needs support from the your UNJUSTIFIED stupidity and ignorance, and no, I'm not trying to stop war, neither am I trying to support one.

What I am really trying to make you understand is why an individual or a.k.a. the organizer/the war-starter can SURPASS his/her own CONSCIENCE and make strong RESOLVES to NOT CARE about the casualties of war, and decided to start one anyway.

It is to understand why individuals choose/react/resort to violence.

That is my question.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 19 2009, 05:57 AM

There is too many man want to lead and rule the world as they wish.
and
195 country still no enuf for man, that is why internal war still happen

Deadlocks,

<< What I am really trying to make you understand is why an individual or a.k.a. the organizer/the war-starter can SURPASS his/her own CONSCIENCE and make strong RESOLVES to NOT CARE about the casualties of war, and decided to start one anyway.>>

I understand perfectly well about that. It is VERY SIMPLE. Some people are BUSYBODY. They like to have the POWER to interfere with other people's life. So, when they have the POWER, they do it. They THINK and BELIEVE that they SHOULD tell people how to live their lives. And, if people disagree, they deserve to die.

Those people always existed. They could only do the greatest EVIL if others do not stand up to them.

Some BUDYBODIES justify their action by the basis of RACE, RELIGION and so on. But, the TRUTH is they like the power. It has NOTHING to do with RACE, RELIGION and so on. But, the masses are STUPID and IGNORANCE to buy into that.

Dreamer

Knowing that they BELIEVE in such things, haven't it occurred to you that WAR never changes, and never ends? It does not exists from THIN AIR.

IT EXISTS FROM HUMAN WEAKNESS, i.e. the lust for power.

And HUMAN WEAKNESS is not something you can stop.

Deadlocks,

I TIRED of repeating myself over and over again. If the MASSES do not support those busybodies, WAR cannot happen. It is as simple as that. Why can't you understand that??

WAR only allow provide POWER to the ruler and no one else. The MASSES have nothing to gain.

Dreamer

You're the one who went out of track here. You kept explaining how war is POSSIBLE with people supporting them when I was only, specifically asking you:

"What makes a man to start war?", NOT "How does war happen?" (hence answers provided by you that it needed the support of the people)

And that's how I questioned your initial justifications of when you stated that these war-starters are stupid, and ignorant.

Deadlocks,

<<And that's how I questioned your initial justifications of when you stated that these war-starters are stupid, and u]ignorant[/u].>>

You DO NOT READ very well. I said (B) are STUPID and IGNORANT. I did not say (A).

Dreamer

If you knew that the people who supported the war were STUPID and IGNORANT, doesn't that make the same for the war-starters as well?

Hence your overall actual point is REALLY:

WAR = STUPIDITY & IGNORANCE. Is this correct?

And my point to you is:

WAR = STUPIDITY & IGNORANCE = HUMAN WEAKNESS = WAR IS INEVITABLE.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 20 2009, 12:13 AM

even here i cOuld see a war happening. haiz..

Mahathir say we should label war as a criminal action. I support him

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Added on July 21, 2009, 1:46 amWar is the last resort when diplomacy aggreement cant be establish

This post has been edited by kuroman84: Jul 21 2009, 01:46 AM

aggreement? which country will agree with others country? except the weak.

kuroman84,

This is coming from someone that ISA anyone that disagree with him. How NAIVE can a person be to believe this kind of BS from him??

Dreamer

We are really the going to die at our own hand one day. I m sure one day someone will develop some new weapon that may get out of hand in testing and cause world wide destruction. I'm sure there are many cases going around everywhere and one day it will just kill us all.

But the quote from Einstein, he was pretty much regretful on the last days of his life for inventing the Atom bomb.

I concur, Only North korea can pull us out from depression right now...

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Added on July 23, 2009, 12:23 amIf he never invented Atom Bomb we will be writing and speaking Japanese now...


This post has been edited by OlgaC4: Jul 23 2009, 12:23 AM

it's not a military weapon per se, but google up "large hadron collider". according to critics it has a small mathemethical chance of creating a black hole or strangelet on earth.

This post has been edited by rockets: Jul 23 2009, 10:22 AM

War is just another tool in the box of trinkets we can use. Actually one of the most effective as violence is primal and fear of violence shakes individuals to their core. The only solution is counter violence sometimes, and people who don't believe in it's application and use and certainly foolish.

In a world of peaceful people, the 1 man willing to use violence to further his means is king.

It's all politics.

People need to understand that words of logic, reason, and fact sometimes DON'T WORK.

However, violence on the other hand, always work for the one who remain standing, i.e. the victor.

Both have consequences, nevertheless.