Human's existence on planet Earth is but a flip of an eyelash

Way before the first humanoid walked on earth, this planet has had many episodes of warm up and cool down. The current warming up is but part of the cycle

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/brea...files-released/

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewb...s/hadley_hacked

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=75J4XO4T





The global warming scientific community now has their credibility completely, utterly destroyed.

Google for 'hadley server hack' for more information.


This is BIG, the biggest fraud that would not just drag down prominent Nobel Prize winning scientists but also politicians and corporations who are part of the massive conspiracy to defraud the world.

The conspiracy has been exposed, and yes, it's not a conspiracy theory, but a conspiracy fact.


Enjoy people!


http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefi...ta-is-real.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Essex-Coun...docs-and-emails

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7806

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2390537/posts

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdel...rming/#comments


For those who can't download the entire 60 megs of hacked email and fortran source code, you can read the hacked contents online here

http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/




This is explosive!

Name the prominent scientists who will be dragged down, along with the corporations.

I agree. We did a research ourselves on global warming. using greenland data and VOSTOK data. it's a geology first year project and we made a conclusion that global warming is naturally occurring but intensified by man. =) based on data.

eventhough the global warming is a natural phenomenon, based on the current global crisis and the impact to people, it aint that natural no more.

herm..go watch "an inconvenient truth". its based on science. explains a lot. here's the page for that http://www.climatecrisis.net/

Theoretically, if there is a lot of CO2, would it trigger more plants growth??

not really..if there's less plant that's growing.

No need to do research lah. Global warming and cooling are natural occurring. Otherwise there will be no transgression and regression of the sea....which is basic stratigraphy. Also i am sure you understand the concept of uniformitarianism
...the present is key to the past which is drilled into all first year students

That stuff is bias to the extreme. I mean, there are truths inside, but some are over exaggerated. Seriously.


well its our year 1 project xD if we don't do it we'll fail our unit =P haha. but yeah. its natural throughout time.

I don't understand why Malaysian still do not get it?

No people in Malaysia actually read the news online?

Climate Change Fraud

There are many more videos and news can be found on youtube and such. Those emails exposed by hacker were enough to make the whole "Global Warming Theory" fall apart.

Data were manipulated by the scientists themselves, please do more research online. We were conned for like 40 years? This is like the 21st century biggest hoax!!






This post has been edited by alancjl: Nov 27 2009, 11:13 AM

Your links above do not prove that it's a fraud, unfortunately. And try looking at this for some counterarguments:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1234461

yeah I'm sure your 'research' = searching bias comments/info online. go do the real data interpretation by science point of view. Sheehs. Tell me and prove to me by basis of science/geology that it is a hoax. NOT just posting some youtube videos on ppl talking.

its really hard to pinpoint the actual case for the agenda for whatever its worth manipulating. whenever scientists have something to say, it is always their claims via pocket full of bribes.

the suns temperature is increasing, they say, but there arent no factories and cars to warm it up.

then theres the melting ice in mars. there too i assume are no factories nor cars.

but if you jump over to bbc for some news reading, theres a report saying that the suns temperature is decreasing, thus allowing smooth sail for cosmic rays to eventuate clouds on earth. therefore allowing the earths natural cooling system perform at its prime. yet oddly our temperature here is still on an uphill climb.

you can always ignore facts that dont favor your study and stick with your own opinion. i guess that is science.

Er, right, claims via pocket full of bribes. Proof?

Melting ice in mars? You mean the sublimating ice seen by Phoenix? That's quite likely due to direct radiation from the Sun, or just exposure to the atmosphere of Mars.

And as for the BBC thing, it might just be that the effect of CO2 emissions is obscuring any effect from this supposed natural cooling you're talking about, i.e. AGW?

This post has been edited by bgeh: Nov 29 2009, 10:19 AM

what could be more motivating to initiate a hoax, and/or to proof wrong a hoax? money perhaps?

oh right, this thread is about global warming in the scientific context. not politicking.

This post has been edited by weegee: Nov 29 2009, 10:38 AM

Sure, if you want to make a claim, perhaps you should be able to provide some proof of it instead

heres my claim.

say Co2 is the driver of the temperature, but how can it be when it has been happening repetitively throughout centuries and back then there were no factories to contribute that extra CO2? then some may say, what has been happening then is happening now, but why only now bring in internal combustion engines onto the table?

or it could be rightly explained the other way around, that the rise and fall of CO2 can be the product of temperature change. so nothing to be blamed.

as i see it, the story of cars and factories omitting CO2 is the cause of temperature rise is more dramatic to be sold. it seems as though we have the control over the nature, and preventing our dooms day is viable. so long as it sounds legit, people would buy it. money would be invested into the study of that aspect, in the false pretense of saving our world.

Ah right, we can finally discuss. Well the first thing we have to say is that it's true, the global mean temperature is a product of multiple causes, and yes, there have been periods in the past where the Earth has been warmer than today. It depends on the configuration of the continents - you can prevent a lot of warming at the poles from occuring if you can block warmer water closer to the Equator from flowing into the poles. There is also a natural variation in our climate, evidenced by past records of warm periods, followed by ice ages. But what's changed is CO2 levels have been much higher than at any time in the past 400,000 years or so, and there is no doubt that this is man's doing (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr.png). What's currently being disputed is to what level is CO2 contributing to the warming, on which I'm not an expert in, and cannot answer, but the general consensus (approx 90-95% of scientists in general, it seems) is that the main driver is CO2 emissions, unless another new driver for warming can be found, and can show that it's led to this recent warming. The sceptics have proposed plenty, and plenty of them have been shown to not be the main driver, relative to the CO2 emissions anyway.♦

But I'd like to bring up another side effect of CO2 production, which is often forgotten about: Ocean acidification. I hope we're agreed that CO2 emissions will lead to acidification of oceans (they've absorbed most of the CO2 we've produced actually), and there are many unknown consequences that might affect us all with that.

Side note: An argument I see often is that CO2 concentrations were higher during the time of the dinosaurs, and life flourished even more back then (tropical forests up to near the poles). True, but it's the rate of change we're worried about.

This post has been edited by bgeh: Nov 29 2009, 11:42 AM

"Back then" the earth was more violent. By this I meant volcanic activities which is the main producer of gases. I am sure none of us will want to live to see the kind of volcanic activities that created eg Deccan flats in India. Google Deccan flat or Deccan traps

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Added on November 29, 2009, 3:01 pmOcean/ sea can absorb a certain level of Co2 and reprecipitate it as limestone
During the time of the dinosaurs, earth had more intense volcanic activities which is the main producer of gases. The super continent Pangaea was breaking up when dinosaurs started to rule the earth.
Tropical forest near the poles occurred after the dinosaur era.The dinosaur era ended some 67 millions years ago Arctic was tropical some 55 millions yrs ago. Base on geological modeling, the warm waters from the equator was not flowing to the north. The land bridge between North and South America better known as Panama was not created yet by volcanic activities. When the land bridge was created, it blocked the warm waters flow between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, pushing the warm water northwards, The ice cap was located in Southern Europe/North Africa was pushed northward. Another thing to consider is the rise of mountain ranges eg Tibetan plateau, Rockies and Andes . If you looked at their ages, they are all created roughly in the same period, post Cretaceous era. These mountain ranges affect/ alter global wind patterns.

This post has been edited by segamatboy: Nov 29 2009, 03:01 PM

surprised to see that most people are still ignorant of the breaking news.

I've read those leaked emails and documents and when you have read that you will know who is lying.


something for you to read.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdel...global-warming/