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Games Street Fighter IV | V3 (PS3), Shoruken Brothers Unite!!

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post Jul 20 2009, 01:35 PM

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Justin climbed up the loser's bracket to fight Daigo again, and again with Abel. Lost, and he then used.... what the... BOXER!!!

Is he really taking advantage of the char matchup tiers???

Ryu Match-up tier (put together by Daigo)
4:6 Disadvantage: Sagat
5:5 Neutral: M.Bison, Balrog, Dhalsim, El Fuerte, Blanka
6:4 Advantage: Akuma, Zangief, C.Viper, E.Honda, Abel, Chun-li, Ken, Guile, Vega, Rufus

Looks like he's taking advantage of Daigo's infamiliarity over Boxer matchups? And so he lost with Boxer. I think Justin really had more tournament experience and should have stuck to his character - Rufus.
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post Jul 20 2009, 01:42 PM

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... and in the spirit of Evo using the new buzzword... he won CONVINCINGLY!
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post Jul 20 2009, 01:55 PM

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Could my Ume boy be thinking of the spectators when he was just burning up meter and using focus in round 4, to lead to the ultimate round 5 and putting on a good show?

Hope this shuts Justin's mouth up. His best wasn't as good as Daigo's best.

I really hated the stream. The Devastation tourney had a much better one, and with better resolution. They really should have done more preparations to support the online crowd for the BIGGEST FIGHTING GAME EVENT of the year. Perhaps it's a gimmick to get people to subscribe to IGN once the vids are released there?
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post Jul 21 2009, 01:06 AM

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Awesome!
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It's from a neoGAF forumer who is also the SCEA Home Community Manager. Apparently Mr. Ono loved the stick so much he obliged to take pics with it!

I've seen this stick posted up before and it got passed around a lot during Evo, used by top-players and loaned to Graham Wolfe for use in HD Remix. 80% of sticks used there were TEs too.

Also, check this out, another forumer got the parts changed to Semis (BB HRAP3):

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P.S. I am helping a friend to sell off his Mad Catz Tournament Edition Fight Stick for RM580. It's been used for 2 months and in 95% condition. Not modded at all yet. Any takers? Wanna see who's expressing an interest here.

This post has been edited by rawfish: Jul 21 2009, 01:13 AM
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post Jul 21 2009, 01:53 AM

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That's really excellent, Boog (can I call you that?). Thanks, great help to Dictator users out there. Can't wait for volume 2, with cross-up combos as well.

Hey guys checkout a post-tourney vid of Ume:


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post Jul 21 2009, 02:47 AM

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QUOTE(hanz079 @ Jul 21 2009, 02:11 AM)
THIS is what happens when sf4 is released on d pc??  rclxub.gif
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It's horrible. Probably done by the same group of ragequitters that had been littering PSN/Live with their existence before moving on to GFWL.
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post Jul 24 2009, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(boogalogist @ Jul 24 2009, 12:08 AM)
@ pweic
What method you using to piano lp to HHS? I use lp~hp~mp~lp~hp. Works wonders for me. I hope you have soft Sanwa buttons, else it's really a killer to your fingers!
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Is this because any variations of lp~mp~hp (and vice versa) is too fast for you? For me, it's fast but I haven't explored your way.
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post Jul 24 2009, 03:57 PM

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Behold! Since I was having trouble choosing/designing my artwork, I came up with this:

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All hand-drawn using this magical mechanical pencil:

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I can't draw to save my life, but after a few rounds of booze and with this in hand, I just close my eyes and let the rest come to life...

Haha - my full work log can be found here:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=1089

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post Jul 24 2009, 06:56 PM

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LOL guys, if you look at my work log, I took the sketch images from Deviantart. It's a gold-diamond-platinum-plutonium-adamantium mine there smile.gif

Um, it's actually my Madcatz Tournament Edition Arcade Stick, with a custom-cut plexi glass. I did a small bulk couple of months back and am interested to see how Hanz, Shadaloo Inc., etc work with it. Hope this give you guys some ideas! smile.gif

If anyone's interested to organize a bulk, visit my thread or ask questions here. I may want to pick up on some small accessories too (acrylic hadoken dust washers - those are the rings below your joystick shaft). Shared shipping is the whole idea as it'll reduce the cost greatly.

Also, I posted something that was always on my mind, but had no intention to write until now:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=27494633

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Lyzeravern,
I see your point in bringing the exposure to the general audience, and to make the game more accessible.

In this case, I would like to point out that having the tournament start at 1pm onwards would be better, as some people still do work on half day Saturdays (some of my friends who wanted to come mentioned this). I understand communication has already been sent out, but I think the crowd turnout would be even better.

For those that arrive 11am onwards, perhaps you can still run casual games and I'm sure they won't mind the wait as nobody comes to play Street Fighter and then wants to go home quickly. Just a suggestion smile.gif

I understand your company's position and affiliation with Sony and I'm not sure if your/our voice can be heard - I do foresee more SF tournaments and gatherings happening soon. Street Fighter is the new Winning Eleven, to the general Malaysian populace. It has fans as long as over 20 years and to them it is not only a game, but a lifestyle. I believe I speak for others as well - generations of youths have one time or the other frequent the local arcades. Friendship and even careers had been forged (I used to work for the local Capcom arcade distributor in my earlier days). Even with its demise, these gamers have moved on to other platforms. This fact is supported with the remarkable re-emergence of the Street Fighter scene, locally evident in the PS3/XBOX/PC threads in this very forum when SF4 launched. Sales alone do tell numbers and I believe Sony knows the figures very well. They should also check with The Software Boutique for the PC sales figures alone this month.

I am not certain if Sony has every right regarding licensing issues over the use of Capcom games here - they seem to be clearly riding on its success, appeal and publicity. I have nothing against them doing so, but I wish - I simply wish, that more can be done.


THE MONEY FACTOR (or, "How can Sony organize a successful/profitable tournament/event?")

1) Simply continue what they are doing. SF4 is a winning formula itself. The brawl-factor to attract the crowd. Flashy Ultras. It's thumpin' loud. Gorgeous graphics on Bravias. Exciting match-ups. Beautiful finishes. Nail-biting tight fights. This is just the appeal factor.

2) Do more. If you want to do something, do it right or look bad otherwise. Draw in the fans - aren't they not part of the crowd as well? Do them a favour for their support. As an SF-fan, I supported Sony because I wanted to play the game on a PS3. I bought a Bravia because I wanted to experience gameplay in HD. I became a MySony member because I wanted to tune in to more news and even be in the loop for any warehouse sales where I can purchase good deals on more of your items. I bought games from Sony Style because I thought they were cheaper than the grey-importers (before the price hike happened). My main intention is to highlight on brand loyalty. Coming back to the choice of controller in tournaments/events, I have no issues with having to play on pads. I do have issues though, with having NO OTHER CHOICE.

3) Arcade sticks - This is how Street Fighter is meant to be played. At an advanced level (read: not mashing) plenty of techniques are only achievable via input over the arcade layout. To a random passer-by, this is not applicable. To a player with a pre-determined mindset to participate in the event and provide his/her full support, this means a lot. It is a known fact that Sony has no arcade stick line in their catalogues - nor any profit/demand-driven business need to do so. Hence, I do not expect for sticks to be provisioned, as this may be result in a marketing incongruence (non-Sony accessories). I do expect to be able to bring my own sticks in future Sony-sponsored or Sony-organized events and be given permission to plug them into the consoles to play. After all, the companies manufacturing these accessories have already procured licenses with Sony so I do not see any reason other than endorsement issues which Sony thinks are getting in the way (this brings to question, on why Logitech Wingman steering wheels were used, for previous Gran Turismo events, since the game is playable no pads as well).

To develop the level of interest to a higher plane (to Sony, it's to drive more people to their booths and products lineup, strengthening of their brand), respect the fans and respect their choice. Respect their preferences. Organize it well, or others will one day step up an do it instead and make you look bad in the process.

I will treat this as an open letter to Sony Malaysia and will look at carrying this message across as and when needed.


And no, I'm not some over-crazed, psychopathic hardcore fan. Really! I feel that while I still have some old-school blood in me, this is a good opportunity to speak up. The scene is indeed heading towards the right direction, if we as fans do not speak up, misguidance may occur. smile.gif
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post Jul 25 2009, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(lovehewit @ Jul 24 2009, 04:10 PM)
Nice work rawfish. Where u get that joystick anyway? Is it expensive?
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Thank you. It's actually a Mad Catz Tournament Edition FightStick, bought from a local game store last March. Should cost around RM690 locally now, if you can still find it. But overall cost a little bit higher, due to the switch of buttons, stick and plexi glass frame on top. Artwork costs RM6.90 (RM0 for laser print, and the rest for the art block paper).

QUOTE(REDFlELD @ Jul 24 2009, 08:49 PM)
Aisyeh.. can color? Looks better with color.
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Nahhh, I wanted it to appear as if those cool dudes from outside Central Market sketched it for me for RM100 smile.gif

QUOTE(kcalvin @ Jul 24 2009, 10:34 PM)
whoa incredibly well written dood. if i'm the organiser of that event i would definitely feel intimidated, n mayb a touch defensive with a trace of fear  sweat.gif

that said, as a fellow sf4 fan, i do feel a little inferior with my normal hori fight stick. i think, if i go to this tournament, i'm sure to meet alot of sf4 pros from the lowyat forums with high end arcade perfect sticks. m i ready to die like a dog and b disgraced wit my puny cheap stick?

mayb it's just me being overly sensitive, but the organiser may have a point if his/her perspective of the tournament is a friendly gathering hoping to attract families n their kids. if they see an army of humans with arcade perfect sticks surrounding the tourney, most casual gamers or ppl happening by would think "i dont stand a chance here let's go home..."

anyway i do support progress towards a more mature fight scene in msia. mayb then high profile players wil b invited from japan, korea, singapore etc. it'd be nice to b part of the atmosphere similar to evo 2009 where incredibly skilled sf4 players duke it out for prize n pride.
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It's not the stick, it's the skills and experience that counts. A Sanwa/Seimitsu-grade stick helps with the moves execution for most (not all) people, and if you're comfortable enough with your own, nothing can stop you. Please continue to play the game on how you like to play it as long as you have no problems with the existing stick itself, and don't feel 'forced' to switch to something else that seems higher-end. What works for others may not work on you. Inferior? In tournaments and casual events, I don't see anyone looking at anyone else that way.

You are so right about the organizers making this more 'open' and friendly! I agree on the organizers' end (for The Mines one), and am grateful to Sony in general for making things happen - but if this keeps up, there is really no excuse to making it seem like they're preventing the competitive spirit of the tournament from evolving to a higher level. Higher level equates to MORE interest in the game, GIVING a more interesting show, ATTRACTS a bigger crowd and most importantly KEEPS the game from dying. At the Mid Valley Marathon Tournament, once stick players setup their gear on the tables, the crowd INSTANTLY gathered round, and that's just for the casuals. The SF4 area was the most happening one.

Let's hope for the best.

QUOTE(Darkstalker @ Jul 24 2009, 11:44 PM)
rawfish

Awesome looking stick and sketching ability man.

Was that post you quoted of yours directed to the Mines tournament?  I felt that I had such short notice to register and prepare for it, so I decided to pass.

Location was the other factor of course but that's easier to prepare for with more time.

And no sticks is kind of a bummer. sad.gif
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The full work log's here:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php...883#post7143883

So you should doubt about my sketching skills in a short while after reading that haha smile.gif

QUOTE(hanz079 @ Jul 25 2009, 09:35 AM)
Woa rawfish, that's a pretty cool mod u have there.
I'm still working on mine.
A HRAP3 and a TE. The problem is, i did not do much research when ordering ur bulk so i'm stuck on using the TE original red bezel.
Pretty tough to work out an art that goes well with the colour scheme... damn... laugh.gif
Pretty busy this past few weeks... will definitely post up some pics once mod is done... brows.gif
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You can always venture to spray the bezel. I read other people did it with multiple coatings sufficiently left dry over a few days.
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post Jul 26 2009, 05:52 AM

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QUOTE(Quistreous @ Jul 25 2009, 07:19 PM)
Just came back from the competition and boy did I meet really good players! Quist Chan from Penang here by the way! It was really fun meeting new players! All of you were so friendly! Thanks again for extending your hospitality to me! smile.gif
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QUOTE(mDinie @ Jul 25 2009, 11:44 PM)
Had a great time at the mines. Lost to Sagat and Zangief. Damn.. I'm Quist friend btw..
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It was really nice to meet the both of you, and Sam. You guys did very well actually and I think you are just not used to the pads and tournament setup. You should really come to Outpost Cafe @ Cineleisure (E@Curve now) next Sunday 2nd August as it'll be a closer and friendlier environment for SF match-ups. That's where Alan hosts our monthly get-togethers and a good place for both advanced and new players to join in the fun and develop better gameplay.

As for the comment on players in the recent Penang tournament, I'm sure they have their own standards of play, and somewhere out there, there ARE really good people too who could not make it on that day. Many years ago during the KL SF Zero (2 and 3) and SF III (New Gen and 2nd Impact) tournaments, Ipoh, JB and Penang were represented. All had their own style of play and it was so exciting to learn from each another. I lost contact with all of them and so did TristanX too, our resident old-school champ. Penang had this Ryu with extremely fast reflexes. I kid you not that you could never jump in as you eat a shoryuken each time without fail. He controls space real well and exploits the fast hurricane kick when you play fireball, standing footsie attacks with him. His shinkuu hadouken super is also on fast reaction. He is THAT good, we still talk about him til this day - so Penang.... represent! smile.gif

QUOTE(MasterAlvin @ Jul 25 2009, 11:55 PM)
lol hi, which one were you? Rufus or Claw?
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Dinie's the Ryu player, and the (only?) Rufus was another guy. Did not get to speak or fight to him, but I somehow notice his gameplay to conclude he's a stick player as well as he missed so many golden opportunities.

Ok, the GOOD feedback on The Mines' tournament:
• Very well-organized event
• Rope cordon were used to separate the crowd from the contestants' area
• Played on 40" Bravia Vs. No eye-strain nor lag noticed
• Scoring system clear, and the notebook was even routed to a Bravia for all to see
• Attentive staff
• Interesting MC
• The customary cosplay Ryu and Chun Li. I like their presence and shouts out loudly this is an SF-event
• It's free
• Door gift (t-shirts and towels) given to participants
• Proper SF4 tags were printed and distributed (hung around the neck)
• Decent prizes to go around for the top 8 winners

Now for what I feel needs to be highlighted:

• Very badly-organized Street Fighter event. Many opportunities to make this better.

• Event held in a (IMHO) tight and confined space. Aside from participants, they should know that fighting games make good crowd attraction, especially on a busy weekend. They should capitalize on this and use the mall's concourse area to stage the event to draw a better crowd and sell their brand better (though there may be budgeting or setup challenges for this).

• No choice to bring your own stick. This severely brings great handicap to players (example, a likely-to-be EX-Sony supporter like myself). Bringing a stick does not guarantee the user the championship. It's skill. This is what a tournament is about, an open challenge of skill. Best man (or woman) wins. Since this is an open invitation (public), you leave the options open as well. Do not limit or restrict the capacity for a player to play his/her best. If bringing sticks shy the public away, may I then ask you to look at today's results. People will definitely sign-up no matter what they see being used to play, to at least gauge how well they fare and try their luck at the prize. People will also leave, due to the need to be somewhere else, or getting beaten by the better pad player. Or as some people I met quoted, "good game, bro. takde joystick tak best la *balik*".

• No choice to bring your own pad. This is acceptable, if only the pads were in good condition. Sadly they were not. Mike, a good Abel player is someone who seldom complains on hardware fault. He lost unconvincingly and shared that the pad had a worn-out d-pad. By that time it was too late to inform the organizers as it was already at the knock-out stage and we had little evidence to prove.

• No choice to customize the settings on the pad. So I decided to join the pad tournament, which makes myself seem like joining the Special Olympics (no disrespect to pad players, you know your game and are better with it, it's just like I am useless on it). I tried hard to make the temp transition, and it seemed ok as long the PPP/KKK buttons are mapped from the right shoulder buttons to the right ones). To my horror (the rules were not posted online, and only announced/published at the venue), even button customization is strictly banned too. I can understand the banning of mapping Focus Attacks or Throws together, but this....???

• No choice to use certain characters. No, we're not talking about Seth (in fact, Seth has weak attacks and defence - no more reason to ban him). There's 3 PS3 setups.

Setup #1: Fei Long, Akuma, Gouken, Seth, Rose, Dan and Gen are not unlocked
Setup #2: Everyone unlocked
Setup #3: No one unlocked. Default arcade characters.

So anyone who uses these characters need to pray hard that they are assigned to the correct machines.

• 2-round games, even in the semi-finals. Only finals and 3rd-placing decider went to best-of-5-rounds

• 60 second games. This was too fast and encouraged plenty of people just hitting hard then jumping back to wait for time-out. But anything you say, dear organizers.

• I have no qualms about the score keeper. He initially interrupted people in the midst of battle to ask for their tag number and current score, but after feedback he was more thoughtful and sensitive. Thank you for this.

True, it is your event and you have ultimatum over the rules. The keyword here is "choice". I have a choice to enter this tournament or simply stay at home and stay contended. You need to do your homework before organizing an event like this, or you will definitely make yourselves look bad. This message may not mean anything to you as it's just from some guy in cyber-space. But I hope this is reflected upon and well-taken as a very honest, no-frills one - as I know, you're looking towards setting up an online community as evident with PlayStation Friends @ Facebook. So you need to start to listen to people within this channel.

Thank you for the event, overall I enjoyed myself as I had a good company of friends but am questioning the effectiveness of your corporate office's leadership team, over yesterday's event.

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post Jul 26 2009, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Jul 26 2009, 02:59 PM)
Wow!! sounds like that particular KEN really offended you  tongue.gif
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Actually the Ken taunted Alvin in the middle of the knock-out stage before the semi-finals biggrin.gif
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post Jul 26 2009, 03:30 PM

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Thanks Alvin, as always. I'll burn you a DVD with the Evo IGN Insider stuff and pass it to you when we next meet smile.gif
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post Jul 26 2009, 08:52 PM

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Anyone wants anything from Akihabarashop.jp? I took a peek and noticed they opened orders recently and may close back soon anytime today.


Added on July 26, 2009, 9:39 pmAwesome panoramic view of the Evo hall:
http://www.kineda.com/photos/personal/evo2009.html

Awesomer pics of the ladies at Evo:
http://www.kineda.com/ladies-of-street-fig...iv-at-evo-2009/

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post Jul 28 2009, 08:20 AM

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Pros about RG buttons:
• Claimed to last 5X longer than the regular ones

Cons:
• Limited colours
• Expensive
• Most important: need to ensure your stick has sufficient space to accomodate its much longer length, as compared to normal buttons. I don't think it's a problem for HRAP sticks but it's not usable in Fighting Sticks. On TEs I think you may need to bend the metal button tabs sideways.
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post Jul 28 2009, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(hanz079 @ Jul 28 2009, 09:01 AM)
For HRAP3, snap ins or screw ins will work fine.
For TE, better to use snap ins.
The metal mounting for the joystick in the TE will obstruct the screw for the X button due to the dual mounting compatibility (Sanwa JLF and Seimitsu LS-32 stick)
If you're using sanwa screw in, it's tougher coz the screw is thicker and wider, for seimitsus, using a little force will be enough to force it in, worse come to worse, juz sandpaper it a little.
Of course there are other ways of working thru it but recommended to juz get snap ins if modding the TE.
Hope that helps.
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In my experience, for TE and HRAP sticks, snap-ins may get very loose due to worn-out grooves (the metal plate grinds them off the buttons). On a TE with default artwork retained it's secured in place due to the artwork's thickness. A 1/16" plexi with custom art nicely replaces it, and you won't feel the button looseness. Without plexi and with custom art, it'll be loose (same goes for the HRAP sticks) and when you shake the stick, the buttons rattle a bit. Fear not, without plexi, the owner can use a thick artwork, or do some creative mod to make sure the buttons stays in place.

Also for snap-ins, the side tabs you squeeze to allow the buttons to snap-out can easily be damaged, or worse - broken, due to the soft plastic. If it goes in, just take out the plunger (the middle part of the button you press to make moves come out) and press the side tabs out.

With screw-ins, to overcome the TE Short Kick button issue, I filed the nut by 1-2mm so it fits nicely under the joystick' area's metal mounting.

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You can freely use the screw-in buttons with almost all sticks, and are a great solution if you're not sure if a snap-in securely fits your panel profile. I myself use both types, as most colours are available for snap-ins. I don't have any preferences but if given a choice I'll go for screw-ins as they feel more secure (got the nut). You just need a bit of planning.

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post Jul 28 2009, 02:24 PM

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Hi Alvin, if it's replacement buttons that you need, I have a set of Hori buttons (8X inputs, 2X start/select) from my new HRAP3.

These HORI buttons feel a bit tighter and comfy to press. Not sure if it's because they're not 'broken-in' yet, but they are definitely different from the ones from older HRAP3 batches. Nice alternative to SA/SE buttons. Or you can test all 3 types when we next meet before making up your mind.

A decent dinner for them will be enough biggrin.gif
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post Jul 28 2009, 03:25 PM

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Around RM320 now.
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QUOTE(JuzJoe @ Jul 28 2009, 08:31 PM)
QFT^ I'm too a 1st time modder. The more I read about parts, the more i hesitate to place an order for the buttons now. Feel like i need to read more to find out what is best for me & whether i can get to fix the buttons in ezily(dont wanna screw-up my precious HRAP3) hehe

so would a Sanwa OBSF be good? it will get loose in what way?
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You can get snap-ins if you only plan to use it on your HRAP3 and not take it out too frequently. My Sanwas are loose because their side grooves got scraped out due to taking them off the TE. They were tight there so the metal plate grinded off the soft plastic. I used quite a lot of force to do so biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MasterAlvin @ Jul 30 2009, 10:21 AM)
where is neurosis???
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Hey Alvin, did you get my sms text msg? smile.gif

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