i hope so.. but let's see if fergie gives him num 7 or not

Rooney Berbatov first choice and Frazer Campbell as third choice! =D

Campbell is already on his way to Hull.. Hunter can be the back up to berba-rooney..

p/s:Silva ---> no 7..

aya chill lo...why so sad about ronaldo leaving....he was a legend.....but we even had the "king" and he left us to.noow thats some one to be sad when leaving, not ronaldo.

he wants real so much plz do go, we are Machester United not ronaldo united

If u guys buy david villa i will gettin heart attack..

http://goal.com/en-us/news/85/england/2009...ter-united-exit
As per above

Have Been Red Devil For Last 15 Years, I Wonder Why Ferguson Removed Core Competence Of Da Team Which Bring Home Da Titles And Bring In Someone Else To Replace Those Core Players.
2002-2004: English Football Flop Veron Replaced Da Highly Effective Scholesy
2008-2009: Ferguson Brings In An Arrogant Yet Materialistic Striker Berbatov To Replace Tevez In First 11.

Dimitar Berbatov
- Older 28
- More Expensive 30.75m pound
- Slower, Less Clinical, Less Effective
- No Good Track Records (as in trophies)
- No Marketing Value (Bulgaria, Not Hansome, Track Records Etc)
- Lazy, Less Suits ManUtd Striking Playing Style
- Arrogant, Highly Paid Big Lazy Bump (110,000/week, second only to Rooney/Ferdinand)
- Snubbed ManUtd b4 By Joining Tottenham from Bayer Leverkusen
- Da Player Who Simply Kicked Da Penalty, Resulted In ManUtd Losing Da FA Cup Semi To Everton

Carlos Tevez
- Younger 25
- Less Expensive 25.5m pound
- Faster, Clinical & Effective (Many Important Goals & Moments)
- Excellent Track Records v Major Team (South American Player Award, Argentina Olympic Champs, Copa America, Libertoreas Cup, Argentina Championship v Boca, Brazilian Championship v Corrithians, Argentina First 11)
- High Marketing Value (Aggresive, Bulldozing Energetic Playing Style, Track Records)
- Hardworking, Suits Man Utd Player Style, And Won Trophies For ManUtd~
- Humble, Lower Wage (80,000/week in ManUtd)
- 1st Year V ManUtd: Charity Shield, Champions League, Premier League
- 2nd Year V ManUtd: Charity Shield, CL Finals, Carling Cup, World Club Cup, And Premier League
- ManUtd Fans Love Him & He Respects Us By Not Joining Liverpool
- Always Declare His Love For Wearing ManUtd Jersey

Both Are Skillful~ I Really Couldnt Understand Why Ferguson Need To Sacrifice Tevez To Accommodate Berbatov In Da First 11, Beside Rooney And Tevez Pairing Is Even Better~
Kind Of Disappointed To See Tevez Leaving...
Anyone Has Other Views b/w These two Players....

This post has been edited by limshenghong: Jun 28 2009, 01:30 PM

limshenghong,

Berbatov, Arrogant Yet Materialistic Striker ?
Man City offers bigger paycheck to him and he rejected Man City of ManUtd, materialistic?
To me, he is way more handsome than the hulk.

I expected more members to debate on your reply.
You only look at the bad part of Berbatov while the good part of Tevez. Now that's what I call "fair".

datz very true...We still having so many Red Warriors to Fight for our Red Army...
Ronaldo was a great player and he will remain in memories in every Red Devil's heart as one of the magnificent 7 shirt holder...

Let's look at the statistics for last season:-

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=12724&cc=4716
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=72490&cc=4716

Berbatov - All competitions
Games Started - 36
Sub - 7
Goals - 14
Assists - 9
SoG(Shots on Goal) - 77
SoT(Shots on Target) - 34

Tevez - All Competitions
Games Started - 33
Sub - 17
Goals - 16
Assists - 7
SoG(Shots on Goal) - 120
SoT(Shots on Target) - 42

Let's start making ratios

Total appearances:-
Berbatov - 43
Tevez - 50

Goals a game (higher is better):-
berbatov - 0.33
tevez - 0.32

Assists a game (higher is better):-
berbatov - 0.21
tevez - 0.14

SoT/SoG (higher is better):-
berbatov - 0.44
tevez - 0.35

Please also take note that Tevez played in the Carling Cup against lower opposition where 6 of his goals and 2 of his assists came from, while he was basically ineffective in the Premier League

Berbatov never appeared in the Carling Cup and made the bulk of his contributions in the Premier League.

So from these statistics, we can tell that Tevez made more appearances, scored more and made more shots on goal.
But Berbatov scored more goals a game, made more total assists, made more assists a game and made more shots on target.
I'll leave it to everyone to decide for themselves who is more effective and contributed more last season.

Just because someone doesn't cover a total mileage of 300km in a game or doesn't at least look like he is covering 300km in a game, doesn't mean the fella is lazy or useless.

This post has been edited by +Newbie+: Jun 28 2009, 04:50 AM

1st. Fix the grammar yo

2nd. SAF destroyed the core? Wait wait.. rewind a sec, which part did he destroyed again? I wouldve point out a debate on each and every single point that you made, but I dont really fancy doing that at this point of time. Nothing said would turn things back, aye?

P/s: I was jk about the 1st part though Well.. maybe not so..

This post has been edited by Characuta: Jun 28 2009, 04:48 AM

What sacrifice? You think it would be fine to start with Tevez and Rooney all of the games until they're tired/unavailable/in need of rest, and only after that we start to use Berba? How else would you expect him to gel with the team faster? If it was bad for the team, SAF wouldn't have started Berba so much. Fact is he did contributed to the side. Check out his stats, while not great, but it's not bad.

We needed another striker, and Berbatov was bought. If it's not Berbatov, it would have been someone else for 30m. Chances are Tevez would still have to fight for his place. It's Tevez's job to prove to SAF that he is the one to partner Rooney. And last season he didn't do enough to really cement that place. He's a good striker, but not that good. His scoring record ain't that impressive, and he's not that creative either.

If we want to compare stats, Berba both scored and assisted more than Tevez in 07/08 season. And he did it with Spurs, not a super dooper team like we had in 07/08. Last season they were pretty even. But that CC game against Blackburn really clouds things. Read somewhere that Ronaldo, Rooney and Berba was in the top 3 contributors of goals(goals and assists) in the last few seasons. That's why we bought him.

People just need to forget about that penalty kick. So he didn't score, big deal. He's not the first and the last person who fail to convert a decisive penalty. Remember that Ronaldo missed his penalty kick in the CL final, which luckily we won after Terry slipped and Anelka penalty was saved. I think he also missed that penalty against West Ham and we went on to lose that game. But did you b**** about it?

Lazy? Was Ronaldo lazy? He hardly tracks back. And also Rooney too was told not to do any other thing as much other than to stay upfront when he plays as the furthest forward. Was he lazy? And for your info, Berba is one of our highest successful tacklers/interceptors(well, something along those lines). He does do his fair share of defending, but he just doesn't run around like a maniac to do that. It's getting really annoying about this lazy thing.

As for the wages, who cares how much they earn at the club so long as they do their part in winning things with us? And I doubt anybody know anything about the amount of wages our players earn. They don't publish that sort of stuff freely for everyone to see.

so ronaldo & tevez are leaving the team...of course u might say that no player is bigger than club but hey lets rewind the season back...

everytime when MU needs the goal, remember who dive in the box for the penalty?? who dive cheaply to get ref attention & won the free kick which resultin MU 3 points at the end of the day?? wasnt that ronaldo??

i doubt rooney can do the same thing.

same goes to tevez...rooney will need to double up his workrate as MU will not have the 'double turbo' that MU used to have in the team. berba was like shevchenko...the different is, he's worst in terms of workrate!!
with not much players coming thru from the academy...

the future might not be the same as before

BTW: so much ppls selling their MU vs Malaysia tickets...ronaldo factor eh?

Welbeck, Macheda, Petrucci, Rafael, Fabio, Matty James.. myth busted. Most of those may be outsiders but they are all young with potential to be squad players for us.

Dive? What dive? He hardly do that kind of stuff anymore, although he does go to ground easily, but a foul is still a foul at the end of the day. And can you give us the games which we won through freekicks and penalties? Would love to see how many we won through those.

As for the Tevez and running around thing.. Rooney have been told not to do anything besides being upfront last season, you know, being a normal striker not involve too much in defensive duties, which most attackers are under the same orders for most games. Funny people slate Berba for it, but said nothing about Ronaldo being lazy in tracking back(he was told not to track back to be fair), and Rooney not doing defensive duties.

JACK’S LAD IN FERGIE SIGHTS

Wan, I can't remember when but I think at certain period of last season Fergie grew tired of Ronald not tracking back. That's why he played Ronaldo upfront and Rooney on the wing. Of course he has played Rooney on the wing prior to that, but I think there was a game where we concede a goal because Ronaldo lost the ball and did not track back, and that was the reason Fergie stick to his decision playing Rooney on the wing. I can't remember which game though.

Wanna organize a gathering? wow! interesting! since i am still in the states, i cant join you my friends. =(.

However, I am still keep praying, Man U will get good transfers.

I hope, Chelsea, liverpool, totenham and real madrid will not interrupt Man U to dealing with players around the world.

Friends, who do you think will make a contract with man u?

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Added on June 28, 2009, 10:24 amWanna organize a gathering? wow! interesting! since i am still in the states, i cant join you my friends. =(.

However, I am still keep praying, Man U will get good transfers.

I hope, Chelsea, liverpool, totenham and real madrid will not interrupt Man U to dealing with players around the world.

Friends, who do you think will make a contract with man u?

This post has been edited by syahir24: Jun 28 2009, 10:24 AM

READ THE FIRST POST PLEASE

now arse linked with THe Benz....

all your opinion about Tevez and Berbatov is totally bullsh1t, please watch every game in season 08/09 before u made those "great" comment
many people think that a player running around like headless chicken is hardworking player, especially striker, they don't have to run around, they job is to score goals, create opportunity etc

do u call Tevez a humble and loyal player? if he was loyal he will staying with us without snubbing the deal offered

dive? we don't need this, winning like that is a disgrace
FYI, Rooney workrate is the top among our squad player, play in left flank without any grumble, track back when he lose the ball, any Man Utd fans know that

i bet both of u didn't watch every game that Berbatov play, watch it before u made those "great" comment

U left out tevez's playing time compare to berbatov. and not to mention the starting 11 appearance. if not mistaken those statistic is based on per game instead of game time.