Please continue reporting your experience with the OS3.0 in this thread, and this thread will also be the review thread for the iPhone 3G[S]/AifonTriJiEs once I have procured mine. Also, anyone with an iPhone 3G[S], you are most welcomed to post your thoughts, impressions and reviews here.

Forward, march!



For those keeping tab on the iPhone 3G[S] scene, some good news. Remember this link? Before this it shows which country provides unlocked iPhones based on their carriers. Now, it has been updated to include columns on which carrier provides MMS and Internet Tethering as well. I would presume, since these two new columns marks as new updates, the state of "which carrier/country provides unlocked iPhones" are also updated as well, and the list is now updated to include the state of unlocks for the 3G[S] as well.

If that is the case, these following countries are the countries are currently still providing unlocked iPhones to their customers, and presumably the same state of unlocks for the upcoming 3G[S]:-




There are a list of countries whose carrier provides official unlocks for their iPhones even though the initial state of the iPhone is locked, but I wont bother posting those. The process of these unlocks REQUIRES the presence of these iPhones to be within the country which provides these unlocks, and such logistics and planning can throw a lot of the planning off. My targets are the iPhones from countries above because they are more than likely, because of their law, REQUIRES their iPhones to remain unlocked officially.

Among the countries listed above, here are their release dates:-









The rest are on the Fourth Wave which is in August 2009.


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I think IIANM, it has been stated that the new unlock will disable Youtube, so it is a toss-up between wanting the new features of 3.0 + Cydia or Youtube itself. Weigh your options.

Correct me if I am wrong.

This post has been edited by davidgary73: Aug 3 2009, 08:37 PM

Weird, I tried mine just now, and Youtube loads just fine now. I did a re-restore to a backup and it works, alebit slowly, on the native Youtube app. All's fine in the world now.

Gonna get some shut-eye. Gotta wake up in a couple of hours to meet Harmeet.

Heads-up from Psyeo, Beejive with Push Notification is up on iTunes. Click "Update" on your iPhone or check for your updates from iTunes on your PC/Mac.

I'm hitting nothing but problems trying to log into YM through Beejive 3.0. Error message "signon.time.out" all the time.

I can go into YM via IM+ Lite that I have, but Beejive totally spits me out every time. From "signon.time.out" error to "Connection failed on all fallback ports". Om IM+ Lite , I can go in, so it's Beejive's problem on their end here. I can log into my Windows Live account tied to my Xbox Live account just fine on Beejive.

C'mon man, either make it a proper release or don't release it until you are ready, Beejive!

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 23 2009, 09:45 AM

I've just passed a formal complaint to their support forum, and at the time of the posting of this post, no response from their support team yet. Lousy! And I paid full price for this!

Tink, how about IM+ full version? Does it support Push Notification? I've half a mind to scrap Beejive and use that instead, seeing how IM+ logs me in without all this mess of a problem.

Not on the Lite. Otherwise it would have shown in under the "Notification" settings.

Goddamn this all to hell!

Half-assed release, and nothing but a bloody tease!

I was planning to celebrate this by IMing (with push notification) within cinema 3 for Transformers 2, and Beejive came back with a party-pooper.

IM+ does not support push notification, as per the new OS 3.0 per se. What it's push notification does is that you designate an email address where your IM messages will be forwarded to, so that you will be notified by email when a new message arrives, instead of the new OS 3.0 pop-up notification.

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Added on June 23, 2009, 10:15 amI hope so. 9pm, Tink.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 23 2009, 10:15 AM

Navigon MobileNavigator Europe Turn by Turn is already available now on iTunes Store, price is USD94.99 , valid till June 30th before it goes up.


This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 23 2009, 12:50 PM

AT least it's a one-shot deal. The other option, Gokivo, tricks you into thinking it is USD0.99, when in fact you need to re-subscribe within the app itself (In-App Purchase, thanks OS 3.0! ) for USD9.99 per month to keep using it. Daylight robbery in action.

As for Malaysia map, you'll have to wait for TomTom to do it. Garmin is reportedly not taking part in AppStore due to their own project with Asus for their Garmin-Asus Nuviphone.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 23 2009, 12:49 PM

From this link:-



Ummmm....No. The real convenience of a GPS unit, like your Garmin, is because the maps are built-in. If this app pulls the map OTA, then it is just another Google Map, with additional turn-by-turn voice prompts. Unless coverage is complete in the areas you plan to go, then you're stuck with no background map tiles to refer to, and defeats the purpose of a GPS Navigation system in the first place.

Navigon has the map built-in, hence the 1.65GB file installation/download. The same like Garmins which have their maps inside the unit, and being read as the unit travels along. Unless there is an app that allows loading up of the Malsingmap (this has to be from the Garmin-compliant map reader), then we're all stuck with these kind of solution.

I just gave an idea to any enterprising soul here to do a Garmin-Mobile-XT-esque app for the iPhone and to load up Malsingmaps into this app. I'm sure if that enterprising soul can come up with this, it will be a smash hit and people will buy them. *hint* *hint*

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 23 2009, 01:04 PM

Tell that to Garmin when they release their Nuviphone. Your point on "dedicated device" is bust when Garmin themselves are trying to cash in the lucrative mobile phone business.

The point here is, as long as the mobile platform is stable, there should not be any problem using that as your primary navigation device. With Winblows Blowbile, you'd half-expect the instability of that to interfere with the navigation program, therefore making it problematic as you described earlier. With stable mobile platforms like the Apple OS, or the mobile Linux OS Garmin is using for their Nuviphone, there shouldn't be any problems.

Carrying two devices when you can carry one? I thought Apple advocates are more open to mobile convergence when their iPhones itself symbolizes this.

The argument of "dedicated is better than convergence device" only holds true when the convergence device is unable to provide a service matching the dedicated device. Once the convergence device is able to provide operating standards that matches that of the dedicated device, then why hold on to that dedicated device anymore? It can be your standby unit, but most of the time, that convergence device can do, on par, what the dedicated device does.

The battery issue is also rendered moot since you will be using this in your car, and "hi there car charger"!

Which brings back to my point: Malaysians love free things. Malsingmaps provides free relatively updated maps. IF there is an AppStore app that can read and display these maps, then all you need to do is just buy that app, and load up your free Malsingmap and be done for, if you're not into buying maps from other providers. The question is, who will step up and make this AppStore app?

OT but somewhat related: The only reason why MalsingMap exists is because GPS users in these two countries were appalled at the level of coverage and map updating quality from the providers of maps such as Garmin themselves, or other alternatives like TeleNav, etc. That is how they embarked on their own self-dedicated journey on creating an updated map of Malaysia/Singapore (hence Malsing) for their Garmin GPS devices. Now, if these big-scale map providers like Garmin, Navigon, TeleAtlas themselves took heed and do the region proper with dedicated and updated map for this region, to a level surpassing MalsingMap, there would not be a reason to prefer the MalsingMap over these maps, other than the fact that MalsingMaps are free. I don't blame the early adopters for going their own way, look at what they have achieved with MalsingMaps. But "Free stuff" can only remain "free" so only so long.....

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 23 2009, 01:30 PM

Hey, no fair! Mine still says "connection fail on all fallback ports"

Office connection? 3G?

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Added on June 23, 2009, 2:19 pmFair enough. But tell me this. If hypothetically, the features on the iPhone catches up on the Garmin, would you be inclined to consider the iPhone a suitable GPS Nav candidtate?

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 23 2009, 02:19 PM

Adoi! I feverishly go and delete and reinstall Beejive hoping it would work. This is disappointing.

Ruggedness can be improved with cases, that also doubles as signal enhancer/antennaes like the one provided by TomTom. As for screen size, that cannot be helped.

Nuviphone. That's al I have to say. If Garmin really think that convergence isn't where the industry is headed, they would have stayed away from putting their feet into the mobile phone industry.

Time-to-lock? Probably brought on par with TomTom's accessory addon (as part of the addon accessory API on OS3.0). As for battery servicing, that is probably the weak point in this. But if the iPhone was kept recharged throughout the travel, wouldn't that reduces the charge cycle, hence IMPROVING battery life, and REDUCING likeliness of requiring battery servicing? *shrugs*

I've had my time with Garmin devices, from the GPS60CSx (geocaching in the woods of Germany), the GPS 10X BT module ( Mapsource on my old ultraportable Sony Vaio UX) right up to the Nuvi 360. Only if you chose to do a time-to-lock at a position close from where you turn off your GPS device that the time-to-lock is fast. The initial time-to-lock, if you have moved far away, for example, last lock was in KL , the next lock is in Spain, will still take time as the device triangulates and recalculates the position back again. There is no magic procedure for fast GPS position procurement. The same applies to the iPhone as well, only thing is, it has celltower and if supported, Skyhook triangulation, to assist in more accurate and faster time-to-lock. but in the end, all GPS device, no matter whether they are standalones or not, will fall prey to high-rise building and blockage of direct-line-of-sight. Try using this in cities like New York with tight avenues and streets and line-of-sight to satellites overhead are obscured by the tall buildings while you're trying to navigate the streets below, without the WAAS optimization, good luck on getting a signal. Malaysia has not had such physical disadvantages, but try logging in while you are obscured between two tightly located buildings within a narrow alley, and watch your time-to-lock drag on.

My point here is: The only reason why people still use standalones instead on converged device is the age-old perception that the service is better on the standalone than the converged device. What happens when the iPhone catches up? And why I wonder, is Garmin sticking its feet into the mobile phone business? Because Apple is sticking their feet in Garmin's territory? I believe, in very near future, the service on these converged devices, be it Apple iPhone or the Garmin Nuviphone, will be on par with each other, nobody will be bothered with standalones anymore. These converged device will be good enough to be used on your day-to-day routine navigating the city streets.

All that Apple has to do now is DISPEL that age-old perception that the Sat-Nav solution on their iPhone is not good enough for that day-to-day routine. Until the crowd is convinced, they will stick to their tried-and-true devices. As much as I subscribe to the principles of using the best device for the job, I also subscribe to being open about the possibilities of other devices that could provide the same service while allowing valuable addons without hampering that said service. Otherwise, why would you see Garmin GPS units offering things like City Guides, picture-viewing capability, even listening to MP3 and answering calls via Bluetooth? Does that not look suspicious close to becoming a mobile phone, just add a telephony module and voila?

Or perhaps it is because Garmin is a GPS-providing company first and just venturing into telephony now, compared to Apple who has a telephony device, the iPhone and later adds on GPS, that people would trust Garmin's more than Apple's solution? What happens when the Gamin Nuviphone comes out? People using it more for navigating first, and making occasional phone calls later?

I gotta learn how to do that too. Newbies these days needs hand-holding to explain the simplest thing.

Not that implying anyone in here as that. Just that if you do ask simple questions that are common knowledge or easily researched in here, then you probably need hand-holding like how Nokia2003 just shown.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 23 2009, 04:11 PM

Breaking news!

Maxis is holding a Product Symposium on iPhone at the Maxis office in Plaza Sentral. There, the general public can caress, demo and test the iPhone 3G[S].

This is happening NOW!

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 24 2009, 04:11 PM