EA games is okay by my book, although some people say they are money grabber but still they do release some good game, such as Dead Space and Mirror edge.

As for valve, their selling point is innovation, but now many community found it odd when valve releasing l4d2, however many of jack sparrow friends are happy about it. jack mates +1, the people 0

Since l4dead got old really fast when finish playing the campaign mode and repeating vs mode, i think this game could entertain me 2 months at least, unlike tf2 where it could last me for years. I think for now, ,i gonna raise my "crossed sword skull" black flag.

I think the main problem is the price.L4D was charged as a full priced game,which is RM139,while the content it has is more or less as much as TF2.TF2 was priced lower and it's is part of Orange Box.People dont feel so ripoff,whether they buy TF2 standalone or from Orange Box as they have HL2 and Portal to mess around.

Then,out of no where and less than a year,Valve announced L4D2.Gamers still have to pay full price for a updated version of the game,een though it has a lot of new features.If Valve give a discount for existing L4D owners,or sell the game at lower price,i think people wont complain so much.

This isnt much different than Fifa,NFS or Madden release every year.

you make chocolate cake, and you make cheesecake...then you hope to combine both become mooncake. that's what they are sayin.

i am not spoilt by TF2 i rarely play it too. i feel empty about L4D. After the game, i feel like "just like that?" kinda thingy. like h@h@ said, the hours of enjoyment in L4D thing. For me, is not enough yet. I dont feel enough. Something is missing. But now...poof. L4D2 in the face. Nah, chew something out of this sequel...which was suppose to be in L4D 1.

anyways, we shall see. whether or not valve shall tremble... (too much D3)...
oh, +1 to plant. I am with you on this one.

I'm curious as to why they would risk their reputation for it.

Aren't you?

Yes 

having spent some time reading the whole thread so far (yes, i did have too much free time on my hands ), i got to thinking how valve might actually solve this problem without screwing the l4d1 owners, and the soon-to-be l4d2 owners, as well as those who plan to own both.

i'm thinking, when l4d2 is to be released, they should scrap l4d1's engine and replace it with l4d2's. what you get here is your same old trusty game content (l4d's 4 campaigns) and the brand spanking new weapons, the same old characters which we all love, MAYBE the new infected (which in fact we SHOULD be getting), along with whatever new stuff with the exception of the actual gameplay content of l4d2 (the characters and storyline). and we should also get 1 or 2 new campaigns (starring the old cast) that take advantage of the new map pathing abilities of the AID 2.0.

by doing this, you have both games running on the same platform, just differing content depending on which one you own. so to sum it up, the engine will then be uniform, and those who own l4d1 will get l4d1 "story content" (for a lack of a better name, i hope you get the point) with l4d2's engine changes, l4d2 will have the engine and the new content, and thus those who own both would have the content of both games accessible.

this way, what you're really paying for is the story content of l4d2, which is definitely something that ought to be paid for (voice acting and all that, including the work the team put in to developing the addon technologies). in my view it of course isn't worth paying $50 for. this would be more akin to an episodic type of release. it would even create a great model for valve where they can keep pumping out Campaign Expansions with new characters each time, filling us in with more detail on the world of L4D. i certainly wouldnt mind paying a nominal amount like how the hl2 episodes are priced for such content.

i'd just like to ask though, is there a source for the price speculation of $50? other than the game sales website (i forgot the name of it)?

you know what?

i think they should make left 4 dead 0

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Added on June 5, 2009, 11:03 amyah. regarding left 4 dead.

how come we dun see any zombie children?

all grown up zombies?

warafak?

someone make a petition please!

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Added on June 5, 2009, 11:04 amyeah. zombies children would be so kewl!

they would die faster lol. maybe a shotgun shot to the belly would rip 'em apart in 2!

ah. yeah. bugga.

kids in fallout 3 cannot die one.

got any mod to change that? lol

fallout 1 and fallout 2 best ah.

kill a kid. get child killer achievement. winrar!

left 4 dead 0 - before they became the special infected

That kid zombie picture is awesome 

You do not see children zombie most probably because you can't kill children in lots of video game without having the game face very harsh treatment from "rating agencies". That would make the game super hard to release in countries like Australia or Germany who are known to be a pain in the butt for violence/gore stuff.

If I remember it was kind of reason Fallout 3 did not have children as killable anymore, they feared the 3D + killing kids would really not go well in some countries...

ah. yeah. bugga.

kids in fallout 3 cannot die one.

got any mod to change that? lol

fallout 1 and fallout 2 best ah.

kill a kid. get child killer achievement. winrar!

left 4 dead 0 - before they became the special infected

i'm pretty sure there's a kid killer mod, when i was last browsing through the fallout nexus.