i dont think L4D sux. but it feels a bit less in a sense. It is hard to describe. the game gets really boring after a while. champagne, versus, survival...they're all the same. So I thought ok, nevermind, it is valve, they could release a new update or two to spice up the game. then pooof...L4D 2 we have to pay. I don't see any company that do this so fast within a year.
Even the money minded EA with their battlefield series took some more time.


the cake is a lie.


oh yeah...i am not really sad bout it. just a bit disappointed. i have the rights not to buy. so yeah.

This post has been edited by SpikeTwo: Jun 3 2009, 10:02 AM

Uhh, did they release info about versus mode? Like how you can use the Charger now? No more 2 hunters?

Call of Duty, Guitar Hero, and ALL the sports franchises say hello!

after picking up my hair on the floor, i think that valve did this unorthodox move is because l4d popularity is far greater than TF2. Dont get me wrong TF2 is awesome, but gritty zombie game is much more easier to garner fans from the general masses. I mean you rarely see ppl play any other games other than dota/cod4 in cybercafe. This is even truer on the console side, where TF2 is over shadowed by l4d.

Therefore, it would be..."uneconomical" for Valve to release free updates for an ultra-popular game as they knew the next l4d content they release could sell. As for TF2, the updates are used to slowly grow the steady fan base. Valve didnt charge for tf2 updates because valve is taking their sweet time doing it, releasing updates little by little. But l4d is insanely popular, so valve jumps straight to the next phase, sequel. Again back to the console world, it is completely normal to get a game updated yearly.

From another side of view the original l4d may have too many unexpanded ideas and unexpected flaws, valve realize the changes to be made are too great for free updates. So they decided to overhaul the whole game.

PLease!! be true

What ? They gonna release a third sequel to Narbacular Drop 2 ? I feel more rage than L4D2 announcement, man, RAAAAAAGE !!!

i asked someppl in uk yesterday on L4D official chatroom,
they say so such thing as 50% diskaunt~

i dont know sport games have that much online MP players as compared to FPSs or RTS or MMORPG. (xfire stats for example).
call of duty, first itself it is a complete game with complete single player experience with full story.
I paid a full game price for a full game. so it is a fair trade.
and I never played the treyach version so CoD for me is always 2 years. which is good. The online experience is top notch and I don't feel it needs anymore DLC to spice the experience (exclude patch fix), other than a new release after things began to cool down. The timing is perfect.

L4D is a unique one. A full price for 4 online maps, limited gameplay and no proper SP mode. Unless people call that playing the game offline with bots = SP mode. It is the same shit with the online counterpart. If it was by other company, I won't buy it. But Because I thought/assume valve would continue updating the game to provide richer experience, I was wrong.

so yeah, my respect for the company has dropped. when they could do it once, who knows they wont do it the second time? since the reviewers, presses, gamers are lapping all over and shaking their tails. yeah, more money to come.

Choosing to ignore a yearly sequel, doesn't make it any less of a yearly sequel. The company is still doing it.

That's just semantics.
4 maps (Campaigns != maps)
Limited gameplay (Yes, because everything else is UNLIMITED)
No proper SP mode (Arguably, this is on the same level as SP games that integrate coop, because that's what its supposed to be)

I'm not trying to say you're wrong or anything, just saying its moot since what you want and what everyone else wants are different.
Demigod came with even less content than L4D and nobody's making a fuss about it. The original Battlefield games are also on the same level.

Gamers shouldn't treat Valve any different than other business entities. It would be foolish to do so. Yes, they are more often than not generous. But at the end of the day, they're still a business out to make money.

well, if they want to make money out of it, they should make it into a purchasable dlc.

then i can easily switch between l4d1 and l4d campaigns and characters easily.

in my opinion:
new campaigns = new work for concept artist and 3d modelers
new character models = new work for concept artist and 3d modelers
new voice acting = new work for voice actors

but to turn off l4d1 in order to play the new things in l4d2 is ... inconvenient. :

the problem is valve lied to his customers. Valve lied to all of us that he will keep the game updated like TF2. Valve always use the "free content updates" slogan to promote l4d, and which is this promise that drive ppl to believe that l4d will get free update instead of paid ones. This "change of plan" thing basically violate the trust of his customers hence the RAAAGE right now. Valve are still a business, and they do business by lying to their customers.

I have no problem with new releases, but valve shouldnt flat out lied to l4d fans. The timing is really off for l4d2 as fans are still waiting for free dlc.

are we assuming that L4D will be updated like TF2 or did they mention about it?

erm, if l4d2 is going to contain so many new things, why should it be free?

fallout 3 dlc are not free.

Technically, they haven't renege on that promise as L4D has gotten a free updates (Albeit its only one major one at the moment)

Just because a company says it'll provide free updates, doesn't mean they'll provide it FOREVER (Which is what everyone is assuming)

And Valve HAVE lied to us before. They promised Half-Life 2 a full year earlier than when it was released.

I just got the game in early may while steam have it on sale. From that moment on i like the game 100%. just one downside is that the limited campaign (only 4 campaign / map). But what is nice about this game is not the campaign but rather who you are playing with. i remember playing with some taiwanese on advance level, and one of the guy (guess is newbie), you can hear his scary voice over the mic when he is falling behind..... hahaha .that was fun and keep me laughing. this is how i remembering the game. If L4D2 can keep the same triller and funs going...i definitely will buy it (of course i am not expecting it to be selling at price more than L4D)

That was because the source code leaked out and Valve had to redo the source code....causing a one year delay

i am not ignoring the COD franchise. i am ignoring the non-original developer! lol...if it is by infinity wards, its fine for me. becuase i do not think their release has anything less. their games are rock solid. i feel empty about L4D. could be just me and a few.

yeah everyone has their point of view. what i am trying to say is, valve converted from being different to become the same as the rest. they lose customers like me, or maybe gained some new ones. who knows. but for sure, my perspective has changed. i dont mind the first lie as pushing back the release date isn't necessary a bad thing. Nobody wants a buggy game.


btw, i think demigod sales sucked. not even come close as 1/1000 of L4D sales eh?

Well it is hard to believe a game could get updated after it's sequel came out,valve should clarify this so valve dont turn out to be an utter liar. But in a business point of view, why waste resources updating an existing game when you are work on a sequel? Giving out updates only encourage players to stay in the original game, and completely defeat the purpose of promoting the sequel.

Oh thx radkiller for the fact. The nature of game delay lie and free content lie is completely opposite. Delaying game releases only increases the production cost, while the free content slogan is a lie to promote a game thats going to get a sequel a year later.

Rubbish. Think about what you just said. The source code (For a non-multiplayer game I might add) was leaked and required the game to be delayed for a YEAR, not months.... a year. If it were any other developer, their publisher's would probably yell "GTFO" at them for it.

The game was far from complete when they showed it at E3 2006. Hell, even the stuff they promised in that E3 never actually made it into the game (I still remember this humourous video showing how you can't block a soldier from opening a door).

Valve aren't the gods of gaming. They're not perfect. There's no point in taking everything they said as gospel.

was wondering wut the 20 new weapon would be.
i wud love a flamethrower

and the other 2 new special infected

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