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post Jul 7 2009, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jul 7 2009, 03:01 PM)
Finally more free to continue on the guide. I'm stuck at the Dividend & Tax subtopic. Need clarification.

Q1:
In the single-tier tax system, I understand that the tax is imposed at the level of the company. So they would declare something like this (right?):

Dividend : 20 cents (25% less tax)

So, if it is already less tax, it is still taxable in the hands of the shareholders in their annual income tax?

Q2:
Why is there tax-exempted dividends? (T.E)

Q3:
If you look at the list of upcoming dividends, only some will have the phrase "Single tier" e.g. Interim dividend 6 sen single-tier.

Why is that? I thought all is single-tier?

Any help is welcome. Giving me a headache....  rclxub.gif
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Q1
Single tier, tax has being incurred at company level based on corporate tax rate which is 25% currently. They will state as single tier

Q2
Dividend can be tax exempted when company utilise the tax credit to offset it.

Q3
Start from 2013, any dividend will be under new single tier. Now we are in transition period of changing from old imputation system to single tier. It depended on individual company situation.

Under old imputation system, low earners will able to claim back the tax or tax differentiate of individual tax bracket.
So single tier is disadvantage to those tax bracket lower than 25%.

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post Jul 7 2009, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jul 7 2009, 06:15 PM)
BKAWAN - Interim dividend 10 sen Single Tier T.E.
KLK - Interim dividend 10 sen Single Tier
ALLIANZ - 1st and final dividend 2 sen

If I understand the STS/TTS correctly,
1) BKAWAN - gives out 10 sen, company not taxed and shareholder no need to declare in their income tax
2) KLK - gives out 10 sen, company was taxed 25% but shareholder no need to declare in their income tax
3) ALLIANZ - gives out 2 sen under TTS, company was taxed and shareholder still have to declare in their income tax.

Am I correct in this?  hmm.gif
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For 3) need more clarification

Company was taxed, but shareholder can claim back the tax if the shareholder total income is not subjected to tax or claim back the differentiate if the shareholder tax bracket is much lower than the corporate tax rate.
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post Jul 20 2009, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(chunjiet @ Jul 19 2009, 05:57 PM)
Warrant question.....
example in actual figure... hmm.gif

IOICORP               = RM4.660

IOICORP-CI          = RM0.005  
Non-Collateralised American Style
Maturity date 03/08/2009
Exercise price        = RM5.50

so hmm.gif  0.005+5.5 >4.66
Means this warrant is "tapau" <---- correct?
IOICORP-CJ          = RM0.260
NON-COLLATERALISED AMERICAN-STYLE CASH SETTLED CALL WARRANTS
Maturity date 03/06/2010
Exercise price        = RM 2.88

so hmm.gif 0.26+2.88=3.14 < 4.660
Means i can buy the mother at 3.14 + processing fee ?
the convert of mother share can be do it any time or until expire date?
if can convert now those ppl who buy warrant and convert to mother can earn big money ler.....
am i rite? shocking.gif
any pro can answer me?
if really can by just waiting for 2-3 week to convert is worth to try... whistling.gif
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For CI, yes, tapau if its average price for settlement below 5.50

CJ
Generally, CW is cash settled, they don't allow you to convert to mothershare, but you can exercise it when it is in money, the extra money between the exercise price and market price will be paid in cash. You forget to take in conversion ratio, some may need 5, 10 or more CW to convert 1 mothershare. Sorry I don't know/check the CJ conversion ratio, but it is easily available info.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Jul 20 2009, 12:26 AM
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post Aug 25 2009, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(rstusa @ Aug 14 2009, 02:09 PM)
What you mean good thing? Why some stock didn't deduct the tax?
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It is not some stocks didn't deduct the tax. But it has been deducted until you don't know (first tier dividend).

Go throught the first tier and imputation dividend discussion previously to have the full picture of it.

Every profit made is taxed, you cannot run away, unless on some special circumstance that it is tax exempted.

Don't presume the tax voucher doesn't stated how much tax has been deducted, then it is no tax.
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post Jan 21 2010, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Jan 20 2010, 10:43 PM)
from what i know:
there is no effect... after cash dividend ex-date.. the mothershare's price will be adjusted, thus the call warrant's premium will increase by a little...

it will not have any effect on Call Warrant's Price, Exercise Price and Conversion Ratio...
If it is a share bonus/rights issue then the warrants will be adjusted accordingly..

Plz correct me if i'm wrong or not accurate...  notworthy.gif
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Yup, dividend is 'toxic' to CW and WA.
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post Apr 15 2010, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 14 2010, 05:16 PM)
If you over sold, then you are considered short selling which is illegal. You have to cover back those extra that you sold and I believe there is some sort of fine for it. Your remisier should have more details for it and you should contact him/her on what you should do.
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QUOTE(sledgy04 @ Apr 14 2010, 09:51 PM)
thanks..

he told me something about lets hope dbe stocks drop at T + 2 . 5 cent fine will be added @ T + 2 to each share oversold. then they will deduct it with 0.25. i will have to pay the difference. so in short , lets hope dbe drop more cm.  hmmh...hmmm rclxub.gif
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Any short-sell stock, at T+2, remisier or investment house will do "buying-in" on that day afternoon, which is 10 tick above the market close price of T+1. The share will be delivered immediately under 'buying in' order.
In ordinary transaction, share actually only being transfer after T+2.

So it means for above case, 5 cents will be added.
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post Apr 15 2010, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(lonewolf @ Apr 15 2010, 09:46 AM)
hey guys..

i got some shares on SUCCESS, and they are giving restricted offer of 1 SEB share of 15 at the price on RM0.85

so let say i have 2000 unit of success, then i will be given  2000/15 = 133 unit of SEB to purchase at RM0.85.

but there is another counter that pops up in my portfolio as SUCCESS-OS with 133 unit at RM0.005.

so what does the OS does?
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The OS is the right, aka the form/right you are entitled to purchase SEB at 0.85.

Which OS is a platform you can sell off your right if you don't want to subscribe the SEB.
It will be traded around 2 week time only, then the OS is ceased.
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post May 5 2010, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(Polaris @ May 4 2010, 11:55 PM)
When this is included in a company's description, how do I decipher it?
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What do you mean by that?

A lot of company actually has mixed bag of business and investment.
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post May 9 2010, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Muliku @ May 5 2010, 02:35 PM)
Cherroy,
Just curious if there is a website or application where I can check the volatility of a particular stock? thanks
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Just look at the beta of the stocks which generally got published.

But I don't know which website which provide it for free.
Normally paid services got all such kind of info.


QUOTE(qingweibuaya @ May 9 2010, 07:19 PM)
can sum1 tell me wat is private placement , i google it but i dun reli understand ... thx
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Private placement is similar to right issue.
Just instead offer to all existing shareholders in right issue, private placement offers to selective investors, which generally in big block for instituitional investors.
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post May 21 2010, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 20 2010, 10:33 PM)
hi i am under TA., and the brokerage fee is RM40 for normal transaction
is it expensive?
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Non-online transaction is RM40 which is the min brokerage amount announced by gov during budget years ago.
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post Jun 7 2010, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jun 7 2010, 10:06 AM)
I want to understand more about MARGIN ACCOUNT.

As what i understand CIMB margin account is BLR - 2%

So if let say if market downturns. I can leverage up to buy dividend stocks with good yield around 8%. Sounds not bad to me.

Correct me if wrong. Thank you.
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The always fear is the underlying stock price going down, which being margin call.
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post Jun 7 2010, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jun 7 2010, 01:38 PM)
Er. not really know what is margin call. Should be some sort like force sell if the stock price drops within certain percentage right?
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For eg.

You have ABC stock use as collateral for the margin at Rm1.00, which give you 90% margin aka you can borrow RM0.90 or you have used the Rm0.90 to buy xyz stock.

But ABC stock now drop to Rm0.80
RM0.80 x 90% = RM0.72

Either you top up the margin call, aka put cash in the account the differentiate 0.90-0.72 = RM0.18
or face the consequences to force sell the xyz stock.
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post Jun 7 2010, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jun 7 2010, 01:56 PM)
Ic. CIMB gave me RM 200K collateral margin. So that means if i only use RM 100k OF BORROWINGS. It gives me more margin right?

Take for example,

ABC stocks dropped from RM 16.00 to RM 12.00. So i use my margin account to buy 100 LOTS which is RM 120K. Since my collateral margin are RM 200K. So I ONLY USE RM 120K out of RM 200K. Let say ABC stocks dropped to RM 8.00 which worth only RM 80K. So that means i have to make RM 40K payment?
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As long as you don't max out your margin, then there won't be margin call or force sell.

That's why we see some fierce selling when some stocks limit down or drop severely time, as brokerage need to force sell those stocks in the margin account to meet the margin call.

Collateral margin condition can vary from broker house and individual specific issue as well.

Margin call is to protect them (brokerage house) as whenever value of stocks sold cannot repay your existing borrowing
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jun 7 2010, 02:31 PM)
Ok. It sounds to be a good tools for leverage especially those dividend counters which can provide at least 8% dividend yield and above as long as you don over max your margin account should be fine already with BLR - 2% which is around net interest of 4% only. Don you agree Cherroy Sifu?
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You need to see the market condition as well.

If market is under bearish tone and expected to be prolong, it is not a good ideal as well.
It is a good leverage tool when market is deep down and expect to rebound soon.

Some roughly timing is ver important for the leverage to be successful.

Also, bare in mind, broker house can cut the margin given when market condition is not favourable time.
While some stocks may be out of margin account consideration, if the stocks fundamental deteoriate.

You won't get net 8%, after deduct tax issue.
so, roughly realistic about 6%
BLR now 6.05% -2 = 4%

So you are leverage to gain 2% out of it, without consideration of stock price movement.

But we know stock price swing more than 2% easily.

So the most important aspect is to look for the stock entry price, which is the most important factor for the leverage to be successful.


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post Jun 7 2010, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jun 7 2010, 03:00 PM)
Yes. Entry price determine the sucess of marginal account. I will invest every cents i receive from my dividend to buy stocks which provide me yield more than 6% at the moment at least it is better than savings in FD. That means i don want to keep cash. Whereas, when market crash only then i will use margin account to buy dividend stocks at great discount with 8 % yield and above.

I think this should be quite save. Take for example i have annual dividend of RM 25K. Let say i took up margin acccount of 100K during market crash i can easily pay off my debts within 4 years. Taking into considerations the extra dividend i can receive from margin account.

Thanks again Cherroy Sifu for your explanation.
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The most important is to invest in "right' stock over the long term one.

Also, steady income from your core job/business to support your daily expenses, potential beef up your capital.
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QUOTE(Polaris @ Jul 15 2010, 06:07 AM)
When entering a trade, there's a fee charged by the broker, but when exiting is there another fee as well?

If I exit the trade in two or three parts instead of all at once. I'm using Hong Leong.
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Yes.

If the trade is within the same stock and done in same days, it will lump sum it together and treat it as 1 trade.
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post Jul 26 2010, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(PikachuPikachu @ Jul 26 2010, 02:10 PM)
Let's say company A giving rights issue, i don't have to buy it but sell it directly??

Another thing is if i allow the rights to lapse, means that i would loss money due to dilution of mother share??

If i am using online trading, how am i gonna buy the right issue??

hope to hear from u guys soon.. TQ!
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They will send you the right allotment letter/form to you to fill in.
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QUOTE(leong85 @ Aug 20 2010, 02:56 PM)
i wanna ask,
if i sold some share and buy some share on the same day,
the sold value is greater den the buy value,
do i need to settle my payment first or it will auto deduct from my sold value?
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It depends on your instruction as well.

It can be offset directly and you don't need make a payment, which is a normal practice if you don't do a payment.
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post Oct 22 2010, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 20 2010, 04:43 PM)
Anybody can explain what's 'scrip election' means?
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Don't quite understand what you are asking... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kaikiattan @ Nov 12 2010, 06:14 PM)
If i enter a sell price to queue up in the pre open/close session, 0.4, when the market opens, the opening price is 0.45. Will i sell at 0.45 or 0.4? biggrin.gif
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