How is the MO coming along?

Too bad the MO will not happen. Thank you for trying so hard.

How long does it take to receive it from the day you order it?

bass is not just about how loud or how low you can go. One must also consider the main speaker size and how the sub would match it. The whole idea of getting a loud bass that drown the main speaker is all wrong when it comes to bass. One must also look at the room size. No point having a 600HP engine on a kancil.

Don't get wrong Htkaki. I am just responding to jchong comment that even his 12Q is already blowing his roof off.

I am sure the SVS is a great sub. In might even get myself one someday, but at the moment I have a sub which can do a decent job although its nothing close to great. What i mean is get a sub one can afford and that fits well with the main speakers and the room size. There is no limit to how low a sub can go but i'm sure all of us have a limit in how deep our pocket can go.

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Added on June 7, 2009, 12:59 amEver see one of those kancil crash before? That is when you don't remember u are actually in a Kancil.

Btw, listening at loud volume level for a long period of time WILL cause permanent damage to your hearing and there is no spare part to replace it. Just a little advise.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 7 2009, 12:59 AM

"even his 12Q is already blowing his roof off" just an expression lah.

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Added on June 7, 2009, 11:16 amYalor...me only a poor peasant mah.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 7 2009, 11:16 AM

I just got a quote from Erik (SVS Co-Owner/ Director – Information Systems and Technology). Below are the quotes

Hey Lightning69;

Shipping would be:

Door to door $315 Bax Quote Number 485xxxx
Door to airport $240 Bax Quote Number 485xxxx

These quotes are for prepaid shipping and a small international handling fee only. Any taxes, duties, brokerage, administrative, etc. fees are your responsibility. The door to door rate includes the brokerage fees and the door to airport does not. The brokerage fees included in door to door rates may not include all local administrative fees.

You are responsible for finding out about any local required procedures, licenses, registrations or such in advance. We had one recipient that had to become a registered importer in his country in order to be able to pick up at the airport (a lengthy and expensive process) and because he didn't find out about this requirement in advance, he was not only forced to go through it, but he also had to pay storage fees on the box while waiting for his forms to process.

Unfortunately due to the high incidence of credit card fraud in Malaysia we can only accept payment via bank transfer; when you are ready to order we will provide instructions on how to make the payment. Please also make sure that you let us know if you need the subwoofer in 110v or 220v configuration.

Let us know if you have any other questions or comments.

Erik K

erik@svsound.com

SVSound.com

Co-Owner/ Director – Information Systems and Technology

(703)845-1472 or toll free (877)626-5623 10am-6pm EST, Mon - Fri

My door to door quotes doesn't include tax. Is it because I am from Miri? Btw, how much is the tax? 15% like all electronics goods on the price of the product or it includes the shipping cost too?

I just notice that the price of the PC12-NSD and PB12-NSD are the same. Which one is better?

Its for the PB12-NSD

I don't think its to Miri airport. What if they send to KL airport then i will be in deep shit trying to arrange to ship to miri.

Not sure whether to go for cylindrical of box?

Just a poor peasant going for the entry level sub!

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Added on June 10, 2009, 1:56 pm

The above is my living room layout. Is the place where my sub sit now a good place?

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 10 2009, 01:56 PM

I don't have side wall on one side so that is the best I can do.

I guess one is entry level , the other is high end.

It will look damn ugly and would is the last thing I want to do to my living room. I am very please with what I have now until I get a new bigger house which I will then setup a proper HT room.


So how you set up your surrond speakers?

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Added on June 10, 2009, 5:21 pmThe new PC12-NSD use the same woofer now as the PC12+.

"SVS has long built its own woofers. The NSD-AL is one of a continuous evolution back many years now. While affordable there is nothing much "off the shelf" in the nature of this woofer, the heart of any sub. Every part was selected for maximum performance and with this latest NSD rev, we've even put on the stiff, costly and oh so attractive powder-coated aluminum cone stolen from our equally famous Plus 12.3 woofer."

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 10 2009, 05:21 PM

That is from the SVS website on the PC12-NSD product page.

I am waiting for the new quote from SVS for the PC12-NSD. Since the PC12 is lighter, the shipping cost will be lower. Sound wise should be the same according to Erik of SVS. Because box woofers are so common here, I think i will go for the cylindrical woofers for a change.

Anyway, please remove me from the MO. I will buy direct from SVS.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 10 2009, 06:46 PM

Whatever it is, the PC12-NSD does use the new Alluminium woofer and is one of the best sub at that price range.

What about 2 PC13 Ultra? That is the problem with a lot of people. They can't differentiate between needs and wants.

I show my wife the PB and the PC last night and we discussed and finally decide on the PC12-NSD. So after getting the SAF issue settled, now I am only waiting for Erik of SVS to get back to me on the new shipping charges for the PC12-NSD which is lighter in weight therefore lower shipping cost.

This is the reason why I decided to go for cylindrical woofer.

Like one owner from another forum puts it....

"They walk in: "Hmm... not bad. I like the picture- what is that?!"
SVS cylinder sub owner: "A subwoofer."
Them: "Holy cow, why is it circular?
SVS cylinder sub owner: "So it can do this!" *cranks the system and knocks pictures off of the neighbor's wall*
Them:

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 11 2009, 10:46 PM

For those interested in SVS NSD subs but not sure whether to get the PB or the PC...this might help you decide.

Here is the reply from Ed Mullen of SVSound when I ask him which is better.

"We recently made a few tweaks to each subwoofer and the amps, and the latest (current production) versions of the PB12-NSD and PC12-NSD have virtually identical FR and max clean output performance. So pick whichever form factor you personally prefer and which best fits into your decor. "

You have to find out from him as shipping charges is different for different location.

Found this interesting piece of information for SVS subs from another forum.

Hi,

I just went thru the process of deciding which SVS subwoofer to buy. If you are looking for one too, the attached advice from an SVS tech support might help you decide. The SVS tech support guy's replies are in bold:

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Hi there,

I am going to buy an SVS subwoofer. My application is probably 90% home theatre and 10% music listening.

My room is roughly 6.5m x 3.5m x 3.5m.

Which model do you recommend for my room and where should I place the sub woofer?



*********Here's an idea of what will be required for clean/linear/uncompressed subwoofer operation in your size room at various playback levels:

Low To Moderately Loud:
PB10-NSD
SB12-Plus

Moderately Loud To Loud:
20-39PCi or PB12-NSD (equal performers)

Loud To Very Loud:
20-39PC-Plus or PB12-Plus (equal performers)
PB12-NSD/2

Very Loud to Room-Shaking / Dolby Reference Level*:
PB12-Plus/2
dual PB12-NSD or dual 20-39PCi (equal performers)
dual 20-39PC-Plus or dual PB12-Plus (equal performers)

*Dolby Reference Level requires clean/uncompressed bass peaks (not continuous levels) of ~117 dB at the listening position.

If you are outside of the USA, please note we currently don't export cylinder models.

Placement near the front stage results in seamless blending with the mains/center, with minimal potential for subwoofer localization. Front stage placement also makes it easier to properly phase the subwoofer with the mains/center using the subwoofer distance control.

And why aren't they exporting the cylinder models?

Hi Ed,

Great stuff! Thanks for the sound advice. I am actually located outside
the USA. Why aren't the cylinder models exported? Was hoping to get a
cylinder one as they are more efficient in design and space.

********They are currently not CE certified. We are working on a
design
revision to allow export of the cylinders. We get a lot of request for
them.**********

The SB12 was looking good till I saw your suggestion. The lower range
PB12-NSD with the NSD driver is actually better performer under louder
conditions than the SB12 plus with the higher range db12.3
drivers? Wow....cool information. Does it have anything to do with being
ported and non-ported?

********The PB12-NSD easily outperforms the SB12-Plus, particularly
below 40-45 Hz. Even though the SB12-Plus uses the 12.3 woofer, the
laws of physics limit how much performance can be extracted from a 14"
cube sealed subwoofer. You are correct, the much larger cabinet and
the
vented design of the PB12-NSD greatly improve output and efficiency at
the deepest frequencies. In fact, the PB10-NSD also outperforms the
SB12-Plus below about 40-45 Hz for the same reasons.******


I hope this communication from the SVS tech support helps newbies when they want to buy SVS subwoofers!

Cheers!



Get the idea which SVS to get?

I order myself. Thanks

The L.Y.N. SVS Subwoofer MO club (if Jadi)
PC12-Plus
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1) htkaki (already arrived)
2)
3)
PB12-Plus
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1) easternred
2)
PC12-NSD
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1)megatron007??
2)jwyj (self order)
3)
PB12-NSD
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1) lexonline
2)
AS-EQ1
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1) Jack28HT
2)
PC13-Ultra
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1) mys_terious
2) Jack28HT (depends on cost)
3) htkaki
SB-12 Plus
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1) chinmh