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 The Official Subwoofer Thread v2, Everything you need to know about bass!

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jchong
post Oct 12 2009, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 12 2009, 02:10 PM)
Happened on both. I told him that the test tone should near identical on each channels. Not until both Dali surr. spkrs.

It still have the test tone sound with additional 'taak... taak... taak...'. Sounds like a wodden rattan hitting on a desk.
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Since it happened on both speakers, I'm inclined to think it's something to do with the speaker design itself. Normally if driver issue would affect 1 only, unless really bad luck both speakers also got bad driver.
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post Oct 12 2009, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 12 2009, 02:48 PM)
I couldn't imagine what 13-Ultra could do in your room esp tuning it to run hot at+3dB. Maybe your Dali will came out from the mount, doors rattling, face shaking, those window blinds flapping, etc.... LOL...
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Ha-ha, bass will be insane with 13 Ultra in his room. smile.gif
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post Oct 12 2009, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Oct 12 2009, 02:51 PM)
If that happens means it's really a powerful sub  tongue.gif
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To be realistic the main things that will happen are: doors will rattle, windows too and very likely the plaster ceiling. Loose items on shelves will also vibrate. Loosely hung paintings might fall off...

But no blinds flapping or Dali coming out of the mounts (unless not tightened down properly).


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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Oct 12 2009, 03:00 PM)
Thats damn weird.. So i guess this means my driver is faulty?
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Ask CT Seong when he comes over...

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post Oct 12 2009, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Oct 12 2009, 03:04 PM)
Something is wrong, there shd be clear gushing sound when u play the internal test tones from the AVR. There shd be no flapping...Take it to the shop and ask them to test using pink noise there.
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I don't think they are talking about the pink noise. It's the Audyssey test tone (I think it's called a 'chirp') which causes the funny sound.
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post Oct 14 2009, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 14 2009, 03:04 PM)
Not only that. Some ding ding dong dong that make me  mad.gif Now, my eyes open wider a bit and roughly knew why FDI is shying away and some others are  doh.gif  over them.
Yes, dealing with local govt agencies and authorities can be very frustrating.
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post Oct 21 2009, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 21 2009, 09:31 AM)
yeah good info, but notice the heavy weightings below 25HZ..
no wonder sometimes you need to run them extra hot for the LFE kick..
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I think the heavy weightings below 25Hz are due to mic sensitivity in the SPL meter.
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post Oct 23 2009, 10:36 AM

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Will be eagerly awaiting the FR from the PG bros on the EQ1 smile.gif
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post Oct 23 2009, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 23 2009, 03:06 PM)
anyway, was surprised that Ketam opit closed for half day. Bajet? Stuck again  sad.gif
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That's another thing, avoid dealing with govt bodies on Fridays if you can help it.
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post Oct 27 2009, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 27 2009, 12:37 AM)
if i do have a spare unit of EQ1, I'll bring the unit to you when I am in Ipoh.

I knew that you are after quality bass. Most ppl will notice that the 'oomph' is gone, no more in your face bass after running EQ1. Always an option to run it hotter than at 75dB. Not many will be going for neutral since majority running their subs hot. There is this guy who told me that he runs his at +5dB  rclxub.gif  Say bye-bye to details
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 27 2009, 08:53 AM)
Forgot to add that his setup is in haywire too. It's like a disco in there. Just whoompa whoompa BOOM BOOOM. But he is darn happy  sweat.gif And I am not referring to our fellow logit85 tongue.gif
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Sure I don't mind trying out the EQ1.

Different people have different tastes I guess. At least the SVS also caters for those who like big BOOOMMM! smile.gif
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post Oct 28 2009, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Oct 28 2009, 12:08 AM)
He! He! Try to imagine Hotel California with bass drum! tongue.gif  But seriously now after doing more setting up the bass is not longer so 'Ah Beng', my avr sub level is at -15db..... smile.gif

So I must say to myself I have 'learned' to appreciated 'elite bass'. tongue.gif
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Wow, you're at the bottom limit of the AVR sub trim at -15dB. This is after running Audyssey right?

Suggest you turn down the volume knob on the sub and re-run Audyssey so that the trim is higher than -15dB. Then your bass will be even more 'elite'.
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post Oct 28 2009, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Oct 28 2009, 09:39 AM)
The reason why I set my sub vol at 50% is that as the output of the sub is dependent on LFE input, that will not be any 'distortion' if the LFE input signal is too large as some movie do have very large LFE output. Ehhhh! Can understand what I meant kar? blush.gif

Ok it is like this.........LFE input very large so by right ur sub output will be large but it can't output that very that much as it is being restrict by the vol control ( eg at 30% ). So that is why I set my sub vol at 50% & let my avr control the LFE signal.

BTW auddsey set is being done but it can control the LFE output so that it 'balance' with the rest of my 7.2 system. Also even though it is at -15db ( two set up with diff sub vol at 40% & 50% ), the auddsey set the LFE out put differently.
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Ummm.... I think I understand what you're trying to say. tongue.gif

Well, Audyssey will compensate for your sub volume. If you set your sub volume very high, then Audyssey sub trim will be set very low (-15 dB is lowest). Conversely, if sub volume very low then Audyssey will boost the sub trim (up to +12 dB max I think). So really it doesn't matter what is your sub volume as long as you don't reach the limits of Audyssey because then you go beyond the ability of Audyssey to compensate.

What you said: "Ok it is like this.........LFE input very large so by right ur sub output will be large but it can't output that very that much as it is being restrict by the vol control ( eg at 30% )" I don't think is correct. The sub vol control is a gain control, i.e. it multiplies the input signal from the AVR. So if you set at 30%, Audyssey will boost the signal (to compensate) so 30% x boosted signal = 50% x lower signal. Like I said earlier Audyssey will compensate so that some balance is achieved.
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post Oct 28 2009, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(nadky @ Oct 28 2009, 04:15 PM)
I am setting up my system by using SPL meter. After running the manual setup and adjusting the level trim on the amp side, my front(L&R), centre, rear and sub are now at the respective level, -2.5, -1.5, -1.5, +3.0. All these level are set at 75-78db. I am wondering whether they looks ok?

I had someone to set up my system using SPL meter before I change my front speakers and the level trim on the amp side was front (L&R)~+10.5, centre~+4.5, rear~+8, sub ~+5....these level were set at ~80db.

It seems to me that, the different is huge! So approximately what did you guys get for the level trimming on the amp side?
You cannot compare your trim settings to other people because their setup is different, e.g. different speaker sensitivity, different distance, different sub vol setting. All this will affect the trims.

Don't know why got such big difference between first SPL setup and your next one. Perhaps your test conditions were different? Different SPL meter?
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post Oct 28 2009, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Oct 28 2009, 04:44 PM)
Ah! Finally someone do understand what I am writing about! biggrin.gif

U r correct that is what I meant..........Now all this time I assume our sub vol or better know as gain control also act as sort of a master vol control. Correct?  hmm.gif
Correct. It's not a master vol control in the sense of showing the absolute output. Namely, 30% doesn't mean you can only get 30% of the output. It's a gain or multiplier control, so in the end 30% x 10 = 50% x 6. The second part in that equation is the LFE output signal from AVR (which Audyssey will adjust according to your sub volume).
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post Oct 28 2009, 05:15 PM

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Eh Horny, just noticed you have the Velo SPL 1200. New addition ah?
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post Oct 29 2009, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(nadky @ Oct 28 2009, 11:05 PM)
Yes, the SPL meter was different as for the test condition, I am not so familiar. May I know what should be the normal test condition to be used in SPL meter?
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When I say test conditions, it means all the parameters involved, e.g. was your setup the same? I think you said you changed some speakers (so this changes the test conditions). Was the SPL meter in the same position? Was the SPL meter hand held or tripod mounted? Was the target the same - one test you said target was 80 dB and another was 75 dB?

Basically to make two tests comparable, everything should be kept the same.
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post Oct 30 2009, 12:53 PM

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Hi. Quite a large area you have there. Depending on how you like your bass, 10" sub might not be enough. But this will depend on your taste, for example I think horray has the CHT-10Q (he thought the 12Q was too much for his living hall).

Anyway, CHT-R series has been discontinued (replaced by CHT-Q), maybe some dealers have old stock. CHT-10Q about 2.2-2.3k I think. Main attraction of the Q series is the Auto EQ feature and remote control.
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post Nov 2 2009, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Nov 2 2009, 05:29 PM)
hmm I didn't think I mention any coffee table or roman pillar in my previous post whistling.gif
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People here can read between the lines mah. Especially when you keep whistling.gif ha...ha...
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post Nov 6 2009, 08:37 AM

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Some reading material about bass, from The Absolute Sound (Nov 2009): http://www.avguide.com/article/guide-better-bass-tas-197
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post Nov 11 2009, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(TrynRex @ Nov 10 2009, 10:22 PM)
Guys,

Quick question here.
Do you guys use the subwoofer EQ when you have AVR Audessey to play with? Or these are 2 different things that we can use simultaneously? Please explain a bit.

Thanks.
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When you say 'subwoofer EQ' you mean the EQ in the sub itself, or a separate device like the AntiMode or AS-EQ1? For those EQ built in the sub, usually it's quite basic and able to cut 1 frequency band only. Nothing compared to separate device like the AntiMode or AS-EQ1.

Audyssey in the AVR is quite sophisticated, but there are several different versions with different capabilities. Generally Audyssey in AVR tunes the whole frequency range, from bass to mids to highs. For the bass region it can do a decent job, but probably not up to same level as a dedicated sub device like the AntiMode or AS-EQ1.
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post Nov 16 2009, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Nov 16 2009, 06:10 PM)
what's that? usb powered sub? tongue.gif
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That's the Thigpen Rotary Woofer TRW-17. Funky looking but needs specialised installation.

Read it here: http://www.rotarywoofer.com/

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