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Photography Nikon D40/D40x/D60/D5000 V5, Best entry level DSLR from Nikon

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post Jul 1 2009, 01:04 PM

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Hard to compare. Anyway the VR (D60 and D5000) version has improved in AF speed compared to the older non-VR version of the 18-55. Anyway.. I haven't used the newer IS version of the canon 18-55 but I find the older version seems to lack sharpness.
But after changing from my D40 18-55 kit to the 18-70 (D70/s) kit... I find the AF speed is in a different world already.
QUOTE(Oxburg @ Jul 1 2009, 12:36 PM)
Hmm i wanna ask D5000 with kit (18 55 VR) the AF speed fast? Can on par with canon 1855 IS kit lens? I found out D40/D60's kit is quite slow.
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post Jul 1 2009, 04:47 PM

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Other than that and the screen... we can almost say it is a D90.
QUOTE(alpha_company @ Jul 1 2009, 04:06 PM)
only bad thing is that it doenst have in body af motor and need to push more buttons to get the settings u want to have
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post Jul 1 2009, 10:03 PM

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It depends on the situation I think. Certain situations can be overcome by our technique whereas other situations require the use of better or more specialised gear.
QUOTE(shinjun @ Jul 1 2009, 09:30 PM)
Yes, feel the same as some photo do really require that particular gear to spice things up. smile.gif
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post Jul 1 2009, 10:12 PM

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If it suits your budget... just get it. Think about lenses and flashes later.
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post Jul 2 2009, 09:44 AM

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If you are planning to get Minolta lenses go for A700. Or else better stick with D90 or maybe change to D300 if the price drops.
QUOTE(alpha_company @ Jul 2 2009, 12:37 AM)
guys.. considering d90 or a700..

opinions?
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post Jul 2 2009, 10:23 PM

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Moreover... have to consider the cost from loss of value of gear when changing system. Anyway ever thought of getting those China made studio strobes ? They seem to be getting cheaper and cheaper.
QUOTE(pleasuresaurus @ Jul 2 2009, 08:30 PM)
zio is spot on with this. one thing i realized is that as a photog i was ignorant about what kind of gear i needed - be it lenses, strobes, bags, remotes, whatever. i used to follow thom hogan's blog for a while, and one of the things i read which is quite important is to understand what ur doing and what u need to get it done. after some thought, i realized that in order to get my job done, i needed a range of fast lenses and at least one light source. i needed cheap and good, so figured this:

- 1 flash (SB600)
- 1 UWA (sigma 10-20)
- 1 short zoom (tammy 17-50)
- 1 fast tele (sigma 50-150)

I started with sumthing like this first, to have an idea of what i was going to need in the immediate future. everything else is just icing. figuring in a couple more flashes into it, now that im picking up strobing. just my 2 cents.
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post Jul 2 2009, 10:51 PM

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Depends on which is more important to you ? The extra features and image quality the D5000 body can offer or the extra lens and flash ?
Anyway... for both D5000 and D40 the new AF-S DX 35mm f1.8 is a very decent lens for the price.
QUOTE(Oxburg @ Jul 2 2009, 10:38 PM)
I shld get D5000? OR D40 + Flash + 50mm?
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post Jul 2 2009, 11:13 PM

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For me.... it is hard to compare as the AF50 f1.8 becomes a manual focus lens on my D40. For portraits to be both are about the same except for the distance where you stand (35 is about 1/2 distance of the 50 on DX). To me, the difference I can feel is that the 35mm is slightly sharper than the 50mm and it has a smoother bokeh when stopped down.
QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Jul 2 2009, 11:06 PM)
project-o... honestly, which prime do u find it better for taking portraits? 50 or 35?
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post Jul 2 2009, 11:19 PM

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Slightly better and it is a more flexible range than the 50mm f1.8.
QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jul 2 2009, 11:15 PM)
so u're trying to say IQ is better on 35?
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post Jul 2 2009, 11:32 PM

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If you compare to the 50mm f1.4 it is no contest moreover 1 50 f1.4 can buy 2 35 f1.8. The 50 f1.4 Nikkor should be compared to the Sigma 50mm f1.4 which the Sigma is slightly higher in price.
QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jul 2 2009, 11:21 PM)
but if compare wif 50mm f1.4, 50 is better rite?
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post Jul 3 2009, 09:46 AM

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Sigma is in a totally different level and is a different design. You have to test it to then you will know. I have... even wide open the image is sharp. Stopped down..even better.
QUOTE(sOuLx @ Jul 2 2009, 11:45 PM)
why does sigma 50f1.4 is more expensive than nikkor 50f1.4?
does the IQ different is noticeable?
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Added on July 3, 2009, 9:50 amI saw one around that price in a shop a few days back. I forgot the model but the brand is Giottos.
QUOTE(alpha_company @ Jul 3 2009, 01:49 AM)
guys.. recommend me a good tripod with removable centre column. around rm500
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post Jul 3 2009, 09:00 PM

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Another way to go about it would be to get 35 f1.8 and a Tamron 90 f2.8 and get a 2x Teleconverter. Image quality should be better and you will have a more useful range as 35 x 2= 70 and 90 x 2 = 180. But if one were to choose this method one has to swap lenses very often.
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jul 3 2009, 09:27 PM)
is Sigma 18-200 OS HSM good?
Sigma OS HSM should be about the same as the Tamron but the HSM motor should be much faster than the Tamron's micro motor.

n how do 3rd party brand prime lenses fare?

Depends on which range and just like original brand lenses, there are some that are good and some that are not so good. 2 examples outstanding ones (sharpness, good contrast, smooth bokeh)  are the Sigma 50 f1.4 HSM and the Tamron SP90 Di f2.8.

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the lambency diffuser is designed for use when there is no ceiling to bounce flash
n i tot using this diffuser normally point 90degree up?
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This diffuser can be used 90 degrees, 45 degrees or straight. Depends on the situation and power setting of your flash.

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post Jul 4 2009, 02:43 PM

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The cloud type if I'm not mistaken is like the Stofen "tupperware" type which softens the light more. You may need to increase the flash compensation 1/3 or 2/3 stops sometimes to achieve the maximum effect.
QUOTE(aaron1kee @ Jul 4 2009, 12:02 PM)
I'm using the cloud version. But somehow still it does not produce good result yet.
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post Jul 4 2009, 09:33 PM

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Best way is to add a diffuser. Light will be softer but you may have to adjust the flash compensation from time to time.
QUOTE(alpha_company @ Jul 4 2009, 08:55 PM)
yeah tilt upwards..but it wont be like this right.. this f58 has full 90/45 deg flash to the subject.


if like sb900/sb600 if portrait shot and want to bounce have to do like this and takes time to adjust2 the white card each time change from portrait to landscape shot.

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post Jul 5 2009, 01:33 PM

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I think it is a good idea to go for D90 with kit lens. Most lenses work with Raynox. There is another solution for close up work which is an extension tube (Kenko) which you can mount behind the lens rather than in front of it. 2 SB 600 is ok also b'cos you have the built in CLS trigger with D90. Also, it is good to keep a spare flash if you are doing weddings/events or also can consider getting 1 SB 600 and use the Cybertik as a slave.
QUOTE(alpha_company @ Jul 5 2009, 12:49 PM)
u sifu d300 user.. u know better than me & u also have sb900.. so what do u recommend?

i wanna get a d90. Kit or body only? Purpose : travel and also weddings. What lens do u recommend?

Should i get 2 SB600 OR just 1 SB900 OR 1 SB600 + other accs like battery, memory card + lens
Im thinking this..

-get a D90 kit because 18105VR i can take both weddings and also can be used for an all around lens for travelling.
-get one SB600 and spend the extra money on memory cards and an extra battery
-get that cheap 50mm 1.8D + raynox..the lens around rm400 and below right? and this loens can do macro with raynox kan?
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post Jul 5 2009, 06:16 PM

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Nice to see you posting again. Where did you disappear to ?
QUOTE(orenzai @ Jul 5 2009, 06:14 PM)
user posted image

Pizza!!! biggrin.gif D40 + Kit lens + natural lighting
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Added on July 5, 2009, 6:17 pmThe 50mm 1.8 is good but after starting to use the 35mm F1.8 AF-S DX I prefer image of the 35 compared to the 50.
QUOTE(jsc_tidus @ Jul 5 2009, 03:47 PM)
i'm still green with nikon  sweat.gif

ya, suggested u go with the D90 kit, since its kitlens have the variable range, from wide to zoom all way to 105. so it should do a good job when ur travelling.

the 50mm 1.8 is cheap compared to 1.4 version u're gonna love it if u're a bokeh lover, it can create sharp pics too..
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post Jul 5 2009, 09:28 PM

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Different function..... 50 (x1.5 = 75) on a DX is about 2x of 35. 50mm is more of a "portrait" lens. With Tamron SP90 macro + teleconverter these 3 lenses will make a very useful range from 35 to 270mm.
QUOTE(jsc_tidus @ Jul 5 2009, 06:43 PM)
might dont use the 50mm if u got 35mm already  laugh.gif
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post Jul 5 2009, 10:22 PM

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Extension tube ... yes .. teleconverter I don't think so. Teleconverter has elements but a extension tube is hollow. A telecoverter will add 1-stop to your aperture which means if your aperture is f 3.5 it becomes f7 and if f2.8 it becomes f5.6. The AF system generally can't handle apertures smaller than f5.6. Which is why teleconverters are not used with "slower" lenses that have smaller apertures.
Anyway I've tested the Kenko 25 tube with the 18-55VR and the 18-70. AF works and it goes much closer.
QUOTE(alpha_company @ Jul 5 2009, 10:16 PM)
the kit 18105VR can use with kenko extension ka? u mean teleconverter?
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post Jul 6 2009, 11:03 AM

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Let me try to find the test photos of the Kenko tube. It's just a lower cost way of shooting macro as compared to getting a dedicated macro lens but compared to a real macro lens totally no contest but is much better than those close up filters. Anyway... as for the tube...after testing I didn't buy it. There are a few lengths of tubes depending on how close you want to go to the subject.
QUOTE(alpha_company @ Jul 6 2009, 12:55 AM)
thanks for the answers.. so it means in the case of 18105, i shouldnt use either extension tubes (for prime lens) nor teleconverters (f2.8 tele lenses)

but in the post above, project-o said he used the kenko 25 tube on 1855vr and 1870 .. guess the downsides are more than the advantages ...
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