I would say among current and Ex - MU player, I would love to see Giggs in Liverpool shirts... but only it could happen...
Great player nonetheless, but not for this season...
PFA Player of the Year : Ryan Giggs, Agree or disagree?
PFA Player of the Year : Ryan Giggs, Agree or disagree?
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Apr 27 2009, 02:57 PM
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I would say among current and Ex - MU player, I would love to see Giggs in Liverpool shirts... but only it could happen...
Great player nonetheless, but not for this season... |
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Apr 27 2009, 03:05 PM
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wow...that's the most robust thing i've ever heard frm a liverpool fan haha
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Apr 27 2009, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(prelude23 @ Apr 27 2009, 02:14 PM) First of all, noone is blaming him. We all thought Giggs is a superb footballer but its just that this season, he had not done anything impressive for his name to be up there. Yeah I know Fabregas could have voted him. Theo could have voted him. They are my idols but you don't share the same thinking as you idols, do you? QUOTE(REDShaun @ Apr 27 2009, 02:22 PM) lol, i think you read the context wrongly... no one is blaming Gigsy, and definitely not thinking he deserves less... but the whole reason for this award is "Player of the YEAR", by making it look like a charity award to a great player only cheapens it to the point it is laughable and not honorable... okie sorry then ... those who voted are emotional creature perhaps ? mebbe they think oh .. giggs have played so well since the premiership started and have not won it and votes for him ..so please do not jump into the conclusion it's his fault... on the contrary i think he was cheated of something that could have meant a whole lot more u think this is cheap lulz ... do you guys do u remember the ballon d'or ..?? lol ... most of the time its a joke also |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:00 PM
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totally deserve it...
despite his age, he outrun, out dribble and definitely out skilled most of the premier league midfielders... he dun have to make splash when every game, he's solid... |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:01 PM
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Like many others said, it's probably due to his overall contribution. I feel Giggs deserves a place in the FA Premier League Hall of Fame more than a Player of the Year award.
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Apr 27 2009, 04:07 PM
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This is a further prove that footballers knows nothing about football. There are at least 5 players that is a more worthy winners of the award than Giggs based on this YEAR's contribution.
Maybe I am biased, but of all the 6 nominees, I feel that if you are to choose one of the 6, then it can only be Gerrard, my reasoning, asas follow: Ronaldo - didn't live up to even half the performance of last season, went missing too many times. Van Der Sar - It's a joke to have him here, yes, he is holding the record for longest minutes without conceeding, but please go and watch the matches of the videos again, how many saves he has to make during those times? Giggs - Started only 12 times this season, not enough pitch time to properly assess. Ferdinand - while I never rate him, but he has been shaky this season, if not for Vidic, his mistakes would've probably cost Man U the title already. Vidic - perhaps closest rival to Gerrard for the gong, as the voting is done in February, his mistakes in the Liverpool game and after that would not have mattered, was instrumental in the run of clean sheets. Having said that, perhaps didn't do enough to change the result of the game to be named player of the year. Gerrard - We know all about him, how he has single handedly dragged Liverpool over the line in those years, and has been inspirational to those all around him, as mentioned, maybe I am biased, but to me he should win it. If you want to know my choices of nominees, they are: Vidic - Deserve to be at least nominated Gerrard - As above Lampard - hated the guy, but played very well this season Schwartzer - Yes he played for Boro, but he single handedly kept Boro in many games behind that dodgy defence of theirs. Alonso - Why is he not in the list is a baffling one, dictates the game well and one of the reason Liverpool is still challenging. Barry - I know he didn't do as well as last few season, but after the fiasco of Liverpool and Arsenal, he bucked up and as inspirational to the team. |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(whoopa @ Apr 27 2009, 02:11 PM) dun blame him .. blame those guys who voted for him. if those guys felt he deserved to win the award ... its them who were clouded in his judgement. but i LOL when fans argue abt this award where the players themselves or their idols might have voted for him. who know maybe gerrard voted for him too .. lol .. we will never know .. cheers to all ... Well the poster is clearly asking for our opinions and not those of the players we idolise. I did say that it is flawed because the players know him and sentiments will affect their decisions. It is unlike having a panel of strangers with totally neutral perspectives. I don't really care if Gerrard voted for him, my opinion stands.Added on April 27, 2009, 4:11 pm QUOTE(Jonno @ Apr 27 2009, 04:07 PM) Schwartzer - Yes he played for Boro, but he single handedly kept Boro in many games behind that dodgy defence of theirs. He is also playing for Fulham mate. Brad Jones and Ross Turnbull have been rotated between the sticks at the Riverside.This post has been edited by Duke Red: Apr 27 2009, 04:11 PM |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:11 PM
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ok sorry to derail the topic lol ..
call me a softie la .. if it was me .. i would have voted for him as well lol .. it would been a tough choice between vidic and giggs |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Apr 27 2009, 04:07 PM) This is a further prove that footballers knows nothing about football. There are at least 5 players that is a more worthy winners of the award than Giggs based on this YEAR's contribution. On your post.Maybe I am biased, but of all the 6 nominees, I feel that if you are to choose one of the 6, then it can only be Gerrard, my reasoning, asas follow: Ronaldo - didn't live up to even half the performance of last season, went missing too many times. Van Der Sar - It's a joke to have him here, yes, he is holding the record for longest minutes without conceeding, but please go and watch the matches of the videos again, how many saves he has to make during those times? Giggs - Started only 12 times this season, not enough pitch time to properly assess. Ferdinand - while I never rate him, but he has been shaky this season, if not for Vidic, his mistakes would've probably cost Man U the title already. Vidic - perhaps closest rival to Gerrard for the gong, as the voting is done in February, his mistakes in the Liverpool game and after that would not have mattered, was instrumental in the run of clean sheets. Having said that, perhaps didn't do enough to change the result of the game to be named player of the year. Gerrard - We know all about him, how he has single handedly dragged Liverpool over the line in those years, and has been inspirational to those all around him, as mentioned, maybe I am biased, but to me he should win it. If you want to know my choices of nominees, they are: Vidic - Deserve to be at least nominated Gerrard - As above Lampard - hated the guy, but played very well this season Schwartzer - Yes he played for Boro, but he single handedly kept Boro in many games behind that dodgy defence of theirs. Alonso - Why is he not in the list is a baffling one, dictates the game well and one of the reason Liverpool is still challenging. Barry - I know he didn't do as well as last few season, but after the fiasco of Liverpool and Arsenal, he bucked up and as inspirational to the team. Ronaldo - probably the 1st half season he were poor, but 2nd half i'm sure he is starting to pick up his form...not that poor as you mention here if you were to look into the top scorer in BPL... Van Der Sar - When i were telling reina is making few save then the rest last season i got blast from your fellow forumer.... yes VDS might be making less save but a goalkeeper is not about saves only after all is still down to how he commanded his defender... Giggs- Probably started less time, but prove to be crucial everytime he started or even came off the bench... Vidic - you must kidding here...you yourself say he is instrumental for the cleansheet yet you say he did not change the result of the game...just think how many point that man utd have gain from the 1-0 scoreline...and he do have few vital goal (eg. vs sunderland) too. Gerrard - i'm not going to argue with you about gerrard as i do agree he do have the same shout as vidic.... |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:22 PM
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The FA gave it to Giggs? Feck me, some ppl must learn to read before making statements. The voting process was conducted by players, who are in this case his fellow peers. I've said before that there are other names who probably deserved it alot more than him in the first place. Lampard for instance was the driving force behind Chelsea and if not for him the Scolari led side would have been very far off the pace. For this I would rate him top, even above Gerrard this season. Jagielka has been a rock for Everton, like how Vidic was for United. But I can certainly understand why the votes were swayed to Giggsy. Everything aside, looking at the six nominees, five were of United. It could so easily have been Gerrard instead, becoz the votes for United players will likely be divided among themselves and ABU's would have written Gerrard on the list. Fact that Giggs won it says alot about how much his fellow pros thought of him and his services to British football. I can understand why some ppl might feel bitter becoz an undeserving United fan won it (not every1), but in this case I'm afraid if it wasn't Giggs it would have been Vidic anyways. I don't watch every club's games but Vidic was immense for us this season. Of course, Gerrard gets more of the plaudits becoz he scores goals (and we know how defenders get the shorter end of the publicity) and he's English.
I liken this to the Martin Scorcese case. The Departed wasn't an awesome movie, but he won an Academy Award which was long overdue for his past contributions. End of the day, I agree that he wasn't the best player by a country mile compared to the rest this year (but who was really?) but I can see why he won it. |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Apr 27 2009, 04:07 PM) This is a further prove that footballers knows nothing about football. seriously i loled at this comment..... |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:25 PM
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Vidic not doing enuff to influence the result? Coz he's a defender?
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Apr 27 2009, 04:28 PM
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From a neutral/ spectator point of view, Vidic deserves the PFA award more.
His consistent performance throughout the season is the main reason MU sitting comfortably from the start till now. |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 27 2009, 04:08 PM) He is also playing for Fulham mate. Brad Jones and Ross Turnbull have been rotated between the sticks at the Riverside. Oops, think still warped in last season... QUOTE(leongtat @ Apr 27 2009, 04:17 PM) On your post. Understood your sentiments and opinion, the thing is that Ronaldo, for all his talent and ability, did not influence much this season, which is probably why Man U wasn't running away with the title. Granted, he is the top scorer thus far, but goals doesn't mean that he is playing well. He sulked more often this season, and somehow lose his form. Ronaldo - probably the 1st half season he were poor, but 2nd half i'm sure he is starting to pick up his form...not that poor as you mention here if you were to look into the top scorer in BPL... Van Der Sar - When i were telling reina is making few save then the rest last season i got blast from your fellow forumer.... yes VDS might be making less save but a goalkeeper is not about saves only after all is still down to how he commanded his defender... Giggs- Probably started less time, but prove to be crucial everytime he started or even came off the bench... Vidic - you must kidding here...you yourself say he is instrumental for the cleansheet yet you say he did not change the result of the game...just think how many point that man utd have gain from the 1-0 scoreline...and he do have few vital goal (eg. vs sunderland) too. Gerrard - i'm not going to argue with you about gerrard as i do agree he do have the same shout as vidic.... Not going to argue with you about VDS and Reina, just that they are very different player, with different quality, but to nominate him as one of the players of the year is a joke. To be honest, I'd say Shay Given deserves it more, as he was playing behind a joke of a defence. Giggs - enough said, he won it, whether he deserves it or not. A more appropriate award would be "Premier League lifetime achievement award" Vidic - He didn't change the result of the game is because defenders generally got the short end of the stick and every mistake will result in goal, just like keepers. I am guilty of not rating defenders as much, while I think he played a part in the cleansheets, the oppositions also played a part. Like you, along with Gerrard, I think it should really between those two, amongst the 6 that they nominated. |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:34 PM
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I think most of us come to one conclusion.
Giggs don't deserve it as vidic and others surely deserve the gong more than giggs. |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:34 PM
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Giggs won it?
The deceased Heath Ledger won the oscar. That's what we called deserved. |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE(Hevrn @ Apr 27 2009, 04:22 PM) The FA gave it to Giggs? Feck me, some ppl must learn to read before making statements. The voting process was conducted by players, who are in this case his fellow peers. I've said before that there are other names who probably deserved it alot more than him in the first place. Lampard for instance was the driving force behind Chelsea and if not for him the Scolari led side would have been very far off the pace. For this I would rate him top, even above Gerrard this season. Jagielka has been a rock for Everton, like how Vidic was for United. But I can certainly understand why the votes were swayed to Giggsy. Everything aside, looking at the six nominees, five were of United. It could so easily have been Gerrard instead, becoz the votes for United players will likely be divided among themselves and ABU's would have written Gerrard on the list. Fact that Giggs won it says alot about how much his fellow pros thought of him and his services to British football. I can understand why some ppl might feel bitter becoz an undeserving United fan won it (not every1), but in this case I'm afraid if it wasn't Giggs it would have been Vidic anyways. I don't watch every club's games but Vidic was immense for us this season. Of course, Gerrard gets more of the plaudits becoz he scores goals (and we know how defenders get the shorter end of the publicity) and he's English. lol, seriously, the whole gripe here is not whether Gigsy won it, it was the way it was given to him... man, if I was Giggs and got something I definitely did not deserve this year based on an award that is "Player of the YEAR", i would feel like it was charity..which after serving for so long seems to steal some thunder out of the whole ordeal.I liken this to the Martin Scorcese case. The Departed wasn't an awesome movie, but he won an Academy Award which was long overdue for his past contributions. End of the day, I agree that he wasn't the best player by a country mile compared to the rest this year (but who was really?) but I can see why he won it. geez ppl, it's not whether a Man U player, and Arsenal Player, a Liverpool player or any player took it that is the case, its the way they gave it to him that demeans the fact he was a great player for so long... I rather they come out with an appreciation award or something. this just shows how erm ... an award that is suppose to reward a great player YEARLY can be turned into a "sentimental giveaway" to a player that has served a decade if everyone here doesn't see the wrong in that, better scrap yearly awards for hardwork then and just come out with a "Sorry we almost forgot your Contribution" award ... LAWL |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:41 PM
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dun u guys think when the vote are cast by the players, they are DUMB enough to misread 'year' with 'lifetime achievement' or any mumbo jumbo?
i dun think they are and they cast their votes with that in mind and that include whoever u supported who are in the game and knows more than any of us... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Apr 27 2009, 04:43 PM |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:44 PM
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rumah sudah siap, pahat masih berbunyi..
anyway, congrats to him!!! great achievement!!! |
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Apr 27 2009, 04:50 PM
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I think one of our posters posted in the Man Utd thread and I think that post nailed it.
The reason why most of you think that Giggs doesn't deserve the award is because you guys haven't seen most of the games that Giggs played this season. His performance vs Chelsea was personally my fav this season. That's why we United certainly thinks that he deserves the award, even though he was less flamboyant this season. Do not let the fact that he only started 12 games disillusion the fact that he was brilliant in all of them. |
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