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Auricom
post Apr 14 2009, 12:36 AM

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I heard some joker nearly got DQ'ed for disrespecting a referee at Cyberfusion ?
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post Apr 14 2009, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(Auricom @ Apr 14 2009, 12:36 AM)
I heard some joker nearly got DQ'ed for disrespecting a referee at Cyberfusion ?
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Well, you're not supposed to disrespect anyone really. So regardless, its a penalty.

Dead chat should be allowed from dead teammate to dead teammate but not typing. What the CS rules usually do is, they allow dead players to type but you can press enter until you respawn.
This should be closely enforced as if they become too loud, generally warnings can be given. Shouting especially.

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post Apr 14 2009, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(crashtec @ Apr 14 2009, 12:58 AM)
Well, you're not supposed to disrespect anyone really. So regardless, its a penalty.

Dead chat should be allowed from dead teammate to dead teammate but not typing. What the CS rules usually do is, they allow dead players to type but you can press enter until you respawn.
This should be closely enforced as if they become too loud, generally warnings can be given. Shouting especially.
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I second this idea.

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post Apr 14 2009, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Apr 13 2009, 06:39 PM)
i dont understand why i cant choose to spectate my mates after i die
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Cuz ur ugly =.='' need 2 ask meh??


Regarding the rules i think that

1.Dead chat should be strictly enforced to the last 2 sec report time or *last Breath* rather then allowing full blown conversations during death with a teammate....BUT with this allowing dead chat to be active... because 15 sec strat time is barely enuf to reposition or re strategize a play or play style.About the dead chat thingie where dead ppl are typing msg's to live ones would fall on the marshals hands to notice such infractions and penalize the player with warning... and like Flaver said when ur in game u dont have the time to glance at another persons's PC yet alone read the small text(not like zok can read).....

2.Cheering for teammates during death should be allowed thats the spirit of the sport... i mean when someone makes a 360 degree no scope jump shot and satays 2 people one kinda has the tendency to cheer cuz of the awesome shot or kill or jump or what ever, what do you expect us to do? look at the teammate who did the shot and throw him a thumbs up?kinda lame (like Zok's face)

3.Foul language should not be allowed of course it destroys sportsmen ship but i think some little words like "shit" "dam" and small words should be let slide compared to the more seroius one's such as "If you seek amy" and more canton related swearing...(calling someone a ZOK should be considered the highest offence in competitive gaming No the world and said player should be bannded from all forms of tourny's and fast food outlets...)

4.mouse scroll lock i think its a stupid rule (like Zok) it should be free so we can spec our teamates...but theres also cases where LIVE team members example no. 1 wants to see what team member no. 5 is doing but cant because its 2 far so team member no.2 which is dead switches over to spec team member no.5. to me it should be allowed but i dont know its kinda a grey area rule for me...

5.Be punctual or dont come kthx bye (or else ppl call u a Zok)

6.About taunting and jeering i think should be enforced to a certain extent disallowing taunts to be personal and more like a *COME ON IS THAT ALL U GOT* kinda fashion not the personal insults such as " you suck, go home noobs, ur face looks like Zok etc etc etc"

Yea i think thats about it for me


ps: Zok is stupid and ugly....

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post Apr 14 2009, 09:48 AM

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Just to clarify a little about taunts.

At the moment, 'undirected' taunts or stuff aimed at teammates along the lines of "YES, KILL ANOTHER ONE GOGO" are allowed while taunts obviously directed at opponents like "YOU GOT OWNED" (and "IS THAT ALL YOU GOT" sad.gif ) are not allowed.

The main problem as I see it is that the further we go into opponent-directed taunts, the grayer the line is, and the logistical problem is that we don't have just 1 marshal, we have 4+ at any given tourney and we need a very easily differenciable line so that penalties awarded (if necessary) are similar enough coming from different people.

Like I told a few players, it really does revolve around how you phrase the morale metagame, and building a mindset of funnelling everything to your teammates will help out.


Added on April 14, 2009, 9:58 amRegarding dead teamspeccing, my personal opinion after watching many games is, the rule itself really does detract from the experience, and as it is, the 'buffer time' before marshals remind you to take your hands off the mouse is already more than enough time to swap to the teammate your neighbour wants to see, and therefore enforcing the rule does nothing to prevent the behavior its intended to curb if people are determined enough to utilize it.

If teams are good enough to utilize dead players' screens as a CCTV, then all the power to them, I honestly don't see it any more of an unfair advantage than seating your team in a specific order.

Don't quote me on this (yet) but this rule will most likely be revised in future.

Regardless of any changes in future, you still won't have any communication between the living and the dead, though. A live teammate cannot ask a dead teammate to spec X player, which could incur a penalty along the lines of a dead teammate talking to a live one. That dead teammate will have to come to that conclusion of who to spec himself.

This post has been edited by Falk: Apr 14 2009, 09:59 AM
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post Apr 14 2009, 10:08 AM

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I think dead chat should be remove, some times when you are about to tell your teammate something but the strats time is just not enough.


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post Apr 14 2009, 10:15 AM

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Dead chat.

tis rule very sad
i cant even say oh hi i am dead
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post Apr 14 2009, 11:10 AM

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I think dead typing should be allowed, but the player only allowed to press enter when the round is over.
That when everyone can view the message anyways. This is because think about it, strat time is like under 10 secs, it's super chaotic to type out in that panicky short moment let alone digest what your team mates are saying while you type.
Unless there's like a longer strat time, but this would make things annoying now wouldn't it?

About the no taunting? er... I support it whole heatedly?? =D
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post Apr 14 2009, 12:30 PM

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So I can't said...


"U HAZ BEEN PWNED BY AN INDON LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!"

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And again, if everyone typing in strat time, our left hand screen would be flooded by light blue texts that you would have no idea what your teammates talking about.

And I don't think longer strat time also would solve this problem.

This post has been edited by syNcv9: Apr 14 2009, 12:39 PM
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post Apr 14 2009, 01:24 PM

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taunting is friggin rude seriously especially when sync do it...his voice is like over the top lor sweat.gif
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post Apr 14 2009, 02:31 PM

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post Apr 14 2009, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(Strayfah @ Apr 14 2009, 02:31 PM)
+1.
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+1 is not a reply.....+2 is!!!!

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TSFalk
post Apr 14 2009, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(syNcv9 @ Apr 14 2009, 12:30 PM)
sad.gif
And again, if everyone typing in strat time, our left hand screen would be flooded by light blue texts that you would have no idea what your teammates talking about.
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Read faster. :V

And no, teammates typing in Paki or Tagalog or Canto isn't a valid complaint either.
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post Apr 14 2009, 07:43 PM

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Implement the CS rule. You can type but cannot enter. Wait till round starts you enter. smile.gif
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post Apr 14 2009, 07:44 PM

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Well, that's 3 people so far recommending that. I need some clarification though. If this is meant to avoid dead intel, it does its job for P1 not being able to see dead P5's chat, but he can still see the text that dead P2 types. Was this an issue during CS days?

This post has been edited by Falk: Apr 14 2009, 07:46 PM
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post Apr 14 2009, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(Holyboyz @ Apr 14 2009, 09:37 AM)
Cuz ur ugly =.='' need 2 ask meh??
Regarding the rules i think that

1.Dead chat should be strictly enforced to the last 2 sec report time or *last Breath* rather then allowing full blown conversations during death with a teammate....BUT with this allowing dead chat to be active... because 15 sec strat time is barely enuf to reposition or re strategize a play or play style.About the dead chat thingie where dead ppl are typing msg's to live ones would fall on the marshals hands to notice such infractions and penalize the player with warning... and like Flaver said when ur in game u dont have the time to glance at another persons's PC yet alone read the small text(not like zok can read).....

2.Cheering for teammates during death should be allowed thats the spirit of the sport... i mean when someone makes a 360 degree no scope jump shot and satays 2 people one kinda has the tendency to cheer cuz of the awesome shot or kill or jump or what ever, what do you expect us to do? look at the teammate who did the shot and throw him a thumbs up?kinda lame (like Zok's face)

3.Foul language should not be allowed of course it destroys sportsmen ship but i think some little words like "shit" "dam" and small words should be let slide compared to the more seroius one's such as "If you seek amy" and more canton related swearing...(calling someone a ZOK should be considered the highest offence in competitive gaming No the world and said player should be bannded from all forms of tourny's and fast food outlets...)

4.mouse scroll lock i think its a stupid rule (like Zok) it should be free so we can spec our teamates...but theres also cases where LIVE team members example no. 1 wants to see what team member no. 5 is doing but cant because its 2 far so team member no.2 which is dead switches over to spec team member no.5. to me it should be allowed but i dont know its kinda a grey area rule for me...

5.Be punctual or dont come kthx bye (or else ppl call u a Zok)

6.About taunting and jeering i think should be enforced to a certain extent disallowing taunts to be personal and more like a *COME ON IS THAT ALL U GOT* kinda fashion not the personal insults such as " you suck, go home noobs, ur face looks like Zok etc etc etc"

Yea i think thats about it for me
ps: Zok is stupid and ugly....
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someone likes Zok ^^V
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post Apr 14 2009, 09:30 PM

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yeah zok got burned pretty bad there. GOOD JOB DON!

QUOTE(Falk @ Apr 14 2009, 07:44 PM)
Well, that's 3 people so far recommending that. I need some clarification though. If this is meant to avoid dead intel, it does its job for P1 not being able to see dead P5's chat, but he can still see the text that dead P2 types. Was this an issue during CS days?
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with the text being so small and the level of concentration required during the match i doubt anyone would have the time to strain their eyes to read from their teamates monitor.in fact this rule was some what allowed in the last WGT SG which i marshaled.some of the players turned off their monitor and typed and pressed enter after the round ended.(obviously they turned their monitors back on as well.)

This post has been edited by prash: Apr 14 2009, 09:34 PM
bv2427
post Apr 14 2009, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(chikhan @ Apr 14 2009, 11:10 AM)
I think dead typing should be allowed, but the player only allowed to press enter when the round is over.
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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Apr 14 2009, 07:43 PM)
Implement the CS rule. You can type but cannot enter. Wait till round starts you enter. smile.gif
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+1 I do practice it sometimes, cos thats when everyone can see the chats anyway. I mean lets say after the last guy is down, and the last man in my team goes for the defuse, I should be able to team_say all I want by then, right? I mean, duh, why wait for the round to end? Another 8 seconds of defuse time can spur up a lot of strats.

And typing "If You Seek A" to teammates should be okay right? Not like the big screen can see also. Unless its directly connected to the big screen, and the enemy can view all your chats, woo.

This post has been edited by bv2427: Apr 14 2009, 10:27 PM
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post Apr 15 2009, 02:28 PM

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1 should be removed TOTALLY. If not, then at least allow dead persons to team chat each other.

2 is a meh rule to me, doesn't really matter in LAN tourneys since if I'm dead I can look around and look @ their pc screens.

3 no tauntings at all allowed, been to too many LAN tourneys, tauntings only go ugly and will need a marshal to intervene too many times

4 I think foul language rules should only be at LAN tourneys with public members there (e.g. Blitzone vs Cyberfusion) but should be permanently banned for using foul language on any person (teammate, enemy, marshal etc)
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post Apr 15 2009, 06:54 PM

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But I don't think anyone really bothers about the foul language during ACC matches, it becomes a real bad habit, and so being said, it's like second nature to swear during other tourneys.
So, marshal's for ACC matches as well!?
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