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madmoz
post Apr 9 2009, 11:51 PM

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Oh noes, I forgot Perth Glory as well as Havant & Waterlooville!
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post Apr 9 2009, 11:53 PM

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i support Man Utd and i do ENJOY watching other teams like Barca,AC Milan play..but im not a lalang right subpar? sweat.gif of course when ties like Man Utd vs Barca/AC Milan happen,i'll support Man Utd... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Apr 9 2009, 11:51 PM)
Oh noes, I forgot Perth Glory as well as Havant & Waterlooville!
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perth glory? soccer? bah.
over there its canterbury bulldogs tongue.gif
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post Apr 9 2009, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 9 2009, 11:53 PM)
perth glory? soccer? bah.
over there its canterbury bulldogs tongue.gif
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Bleh Bulldogs is based in sydney no? Real men don't play rugby, at least not in Oz - they play Aussie Rules!
And Perth's pride and joy are the West Coast Eagles and the fremantle Dockers (well, most of the time anyways, there was this half season when the two of them had a total of one victory - Eagles beat the Dockers doh.gif )
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Apr 9 2009, 11:51 PM)
Oh noes, I forgot Perth Glory as well as Havant & Waterlooville!
No one out lalangs me!
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ooo nice Perth Glory .... rclxms.gif

anyway ... about supporting a club ... i do support 2 teams, ManUtd (from 10 years old til now 21) tongue.gif and i also supporting Sunderland ( 5 years ago ) from they drop down to division 1 and came up and down... i dun see anythings wrong with that .....
btw, some people support the team according to the player they like, let say, Owen, from liverpool to real M to somewhere and now in Newcastle, his Fans can follow him to support the team he playing on... thats not a problem again ....


anyway .... sunderland vs manutd tmr, ops ohmy.gif doh.gif
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post Apr 10 2009, 12:05 AM

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I remember the 06/07 season when we played ManUtd in the fa cup final, i went with to Bangsar village to watch the match with a few of my friends(one who is a manutd fan)and I was wearing my chelsea jersey. I could have swear I almost pissed in my pants when I saw a sea of red devil fans. And they all were staring at me when I walk past them. Heck, even the Chelsea main stand had ManUtd supporters there! But I just didnt bother and watched the match and when Drogba tapped in the goal, I stood up on my chair and shouted goal. All the ManU fans damn pissed wei, glad we won it or else I think I would have been hung.

I know,grandfather story and nobody cares. But really, unconditional loyalty. notworthy.gif Pats myself nod.gif
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QUOTE(yoecr7 @ Apr 9 2009, 11:53 PM)
i support Man Utd and i do ENJOY watching other teams like Barca,AC Milan play..but im not a lalang right subpar? sweat.gif of course when ties like Man Utd vs Barca/AC Milan happen,i'll support Man Utd... rclxms.gif
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post Apr 10 2009, 12:25 AM

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Back to the question, I think its ok to switch clubs as long its for all the right reasons. For example, the team playing good football, some football player story that changed your life, etc.

But switching teams for the sake of friends, family, girlfriends, boyfriends, glory is wrong in my opinion.
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im a glory hunter ... i support chelsea and barca today .. im not sure who will this weekend .. but im sure its my team wink.gif

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but what happens when one fan expectation is not met ? and he wants to change club ?? can he ? cos he no longer believe in the club .. can you force someone to follow something he dont believe ?
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post Apr 10 2009, 09:19 AM

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I can trace it back to a football managing game called Championship Manager 2. I was looking for an EPL club to manage and saw Arsenal. Stadium size was ok, jersey colour ok, and defenders are solid. What needed work was the offense. So I took over and looked for new talents (retired players reincarnate as youngster) every season.

What I did back then on the game was something Arsene Wenger is doing/has done in real life. Back then the only manager I know is SAF.

Very probably I'll be disinterested in football first before AW stops at Arsenal.
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QUOTE(ashburn98 @ Apr 10 2009, 09:19 AM)
I can trace it back to a football managing game called Championship Manager 2. I was looking for an EPL club to manage and saw Arsenal. Stadium size was ok, jersey colour ok, and defenders are solid. What needed work was the offense. So I took over and looked for new talents (retired players reincarnate as youngster) every season.

What I did back then on the game was something Arsene Wenger is doing/has done in real life. Back then the only manager I know is SAF.

Very probably I'll be disinterested in football first before AW stops at Arsenal.
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i started coz of bergy. if not coz of bergy, i would probably never knew arsenal. heck, i was a bergkamp supporter first, then i support his team then only i knew he was arsenal. and my godfather helped me out from there coz all my family and all my cousins are devils tongue.gif
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post Apr 10 2009, 09:31 AM

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Top fans are the ones who stick with their clubs thru all adversities, which is why respect is due to those Pool fans who stuck with their club thru their barren years. Committing to a club is like committing to a wife. You don't swap them ever (although its becoming more common place in our culture sad to say). Of course, there are those who just watch the game for the sake of it. Like I know a dude who just throws his support behind a club becoz its wat he thinks a guy should do, but has no fecking idea how the offside or backpass rules work. Baffling really. He started off as an Arsenal fan, changed to United, then Chelsea. Last I talked to him, he was behind Hull (early season wat-the-Hull), I can guaran-damn-tee you he's changed it a couple of times again since then.

What separates a top fan from an ordinary fan is his/her loyalty to the club. Always optimistic about their chances. On the issues of players and managers thought, obviously ideally we would want them to be one-club-men like the Totti's or G. Nev's of today. In the real world though, just like us, we have certain aspirations for our careers. Would Ronaldo have become the player he is today if he were to stay at Lisbon? Would Torres be as effective if he continued plying his trade at Atletico? Moves and transfers are all part and parcel of football, just like how job-switching is.
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post Apr 10 2009, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(Hevrn @ Apr 10 2009, 09:31 AM)
Top fans are the ones who stick with their clubs thru all adversities, which is why respect is due to those Pool fans who stuck with their club thru their barren years. Committing to a club is like committing to a wife. You don't swap them ever (although its becoming more common place in our culture sad to say). Of course, there are those who just watch the game for the sake of it. Like I know a dude who just throws his support behind a club becoz its wat he thinks a guy should do, but has no fecking idea how the offside or backpass rules work. Baffling really. He started off as an Arsenal fan, changed to United, then Chelsea. Last I talked to him, he was behind Hull (early season wat-the-Hull), I can guaran-damn-tee you he's changed it a couple of times again since then.

What separates a top fan from an ordinary fan is his/her loyalty to the club. Always optimistic about their chances. On the issues of players and managers thought, obviously ideally we would want them to be one-club-men like the Totti's or G. Nev's of today. In the real world though, just like us, we have certain aspirations for our careers. Would Ronaldo have become the player he is today if he were to stay at Lisbon? Would Torres be as effective if he continued plying his trade at Atletico? Moves and transfers are all part and parcel of football, just like how job-switching is.
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post Apr 10 2009, 09:56 AM

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Then wat will u guys say about a fans/supporter who change club becoz of some certain players??

For eg: the most common 1 would be david beckham.....as we all know there are many beckhamania in this world.....many of them tends to change from man utd --> real madrid --> galaxy --> ac milan......wat do u guys think of those ppl??

I do think tat i quite a lalang myself as a supporter/fan.. sweat.gif sweat.gif ....i support liverpool since the mcmanaman, owen era but the player tat i adore most is messi.......so i tends to support barca as well becoz of messi in there......

forgive me for being a lalang........ doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(GrandElf @ Apr 10 2009, 09:56 AM)
Then wat will u guys say about a fans/supporter who change club becoz of some certain players??

For eg: the most common 1 would be david beckham.....as we all know there are many beckhamania in this world.....many of them tends to change from man utd --> real madrid --> galaxy --> ac milan......wat do u guys think of those ppl??

I do think tat i quite a lalang myself as a supporter/fan.. sweat.gif  sweat.gif ....i support liverpool since the mcmanaman, owen era but the player tat i adore most is messi.......so i tends to support barca as well becoz of messi in there......

forgive me for being a lalang........ doh.gif  doh.gif
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Only okay for chicks to do it, lol. But of course, tracking your fav player as he moves from continent to continent is alright, but you're obviously supporting him, not the club he's attached to. I still try to read up on what Beckham is doing once in a while becoz he used to be my fav player as a kiddo, but I don't find myself loving a new club everytime he signs a brand new contract. Theres a diff there.
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QUOTE(kink_ass @ Apr 10 2009, 12:05 AM)
I remember the 06/07 season when we played ManUtd in the fa cup final, i went with to Bangsar village to watch the match with a few of my friends(one who is a manutd fan)and I was wearing my chelsea jersey. I could have swear I almost pissed in my pants when I saw a sea of red devil fans. And they all were staring at me when I walk past them. Heck, even the Chelsea main stand had ManUtd supporters there! But I just didnt bother and watched the match and when Drogba tapped in the goal, I stood up on my chair and shouted goal. All the ManU fans damn pissed wei, glad we won it or else I think I would have been hung.

I know,grandfather story and nobody cares. But really, unconditional loyalty.  notworthy.gif Pats myself nod.gif
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I was trapped in a train full of Bluenose once sweat.gif

QUOTE(MyDevil @ Apr 10 2009, 09:49 AM)
Was about to say that. Man Utd is my second wife.  wub.gif
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QUOTE(Hevrn @ Apr 10 2009, 09:31 AM)
What separates a top fan from an ordinary fan is his/her loyalty to the club. Always optimistic about their chances. On the issues of players and managers thought, obviously ideally we would want them to be one-club-men like the Totti's or G. Nev's of today. In the real world though, just like us, we have certain aspirations for our careers. Would Ronaldo have become the player he is today if he were to stay at Lisbon? Would Torres be as effective if he continued plying his trade at Atletico? Moves and transfers are all part and parcel of football, just like how job-switching is.
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I don't really get that 'optimistic about their chances' bit. There's nothing wrong with a resident pessimist. ph34r.gif

PS: I support two teams every weekend. Manchester United and the club playing Liverpool =p Last season, I was supporting whomever who played Chelsea. rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(triple02 @ Apr 9 2009, 07:02 PM)
Spice boy's or not should it matter? i figure they played their part in bringing more fans but can we safely say that  they are still fans loyally supporting the club till now? all i know is for a fact is that i know a guy that adored Jason Mc'Ateer to bits and when he retired he still continued supporting Liverpool , I guess the kids these days rather choose an idol more than a club, how many newer fan's these days support Ronaldo for his good looks rather Man Utd without bothering about their history? I guess in the end it boils right down to the each person on what they want really..we can argue with our holier-than thou attitude but really can they be arsed? im referring generally to a fans here and not any supporter in specific
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