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mumeichan
post May 7 2010, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Grimm @ May 7 2010, 01:46 PM)
This thread still hasn't been pinned? Holy crap!

Anyways, I've come to a crossroads in my tertiary education. I am faced with a big decision to choose one path out of three. A fork, if you may.

I will be graduating from my Bachelor of Business (Accounting and Finance) - its a double major - this June. To cut a long story short, I want a PR in Australia, and I would need to do one of the below:

1) Ditch post grad, and go out into the corporate rat race and come back to apply for the Aussie PR after I gained sufficient work experience outside OZ. (which will then reap me points for the qualification for PR app).

2) Accept my place in an Honours degree in an Australian university - Monash, Melbourne, Sydney, Queensland... whichever. [1 year]

3) Apply for a Masters in Applied Finance or something similar. [1 year or 1.5 years]

After speaking with several colleagues and peers, I find that half of the people I spoke to tell me that a Masters would hold more value than a mere honours degree, which is still an undergraduate level qualification. And I must admit, a Masters sounds more prestigious and it is a post grad qualification after all.

The advocates of an honours degree emphasizes on the point that employers will be looking for a graduate that can say that they have published a research paper/thesis and would be more inclined in hiring me than other bachelor/masters freshies who haven't had any experience with research.

I know it will have a lot to do with what I want to be doing. I'm still rather undecided, but I'll most probably be entering the banking/finance sector - financial institutions, financial intermediaries, the stock exchange, the ratings agencies, the reserve bank/federal bank, regulatory bodies in the financial markets or IB.

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You can try posting this in the Jobs sections, I think you'll get more relevant answers. With Masters, there are study and also research based programs. Taking a Masters is is preferable here. I've really not heard that employers prefer graduates with research experience for business administration positions. For the finance sector, experience is more valuable than anything. You can do some research by yourself to see what kind of degrees and qualifications of people who are doing well in the finance sector. You'll alot of them having CFA but their degrees and master are extremely varied. And you will also see alot of them have either long working experience or have worked at some big firms before.
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post May 8 2010, 02:23 AM

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Well, that's not entirely true. If you want to be a financial analyst, an investment/securities analyst, a venture capital analyst, IB analyst, Equities analyst, consultant, or junior analyst kinda jobs, a research paper will seriously give you a big advantage over someone who doesn't have a research background.

And to get into the "juicier" parts of IB and financial intermediaries, people often go through the analyst hurdle first... that's my perception of the finance sector at least.

Thanks for the reply though! Appreciated. Keep the comments coming please ;D
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post May 10 2010, 12:08 AM

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Nobody got any comments?

This post has been edited by Grimm: May 12 2010, 03:59 PM
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Come on guys, I need more input blink.gif
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post May 13 2010, 02:26 AM

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Mate, credit risk models didn't come up from Mr. Altman's head by setting up his own investment portfolio and reading the market. Please don't flatter yourself that you know more about this than me. There is no working visa available for me, so the only option is to work outside OZ.
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UM does not offer any degree with the word HONOURS but final years students are ought to do thesis before graduating, how do you explain that?
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post Jun 10 2010, 12:01 AM

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UM does not offer any degree with the word HONOURS but final years students are ought to do thesis before graduating, how do you explain that?
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What makes you say their Degrees are not Honours degrees?

Most of their Degrees are Ijazah Sarjana Muda Kepujian, which is an Honours Degree.Go and check the JPA website.
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post Jun 10 2010, 12:36 AM

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UM degree with honours la..i will be graduating in august 2010 (UM)
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for science faculty, i don't see any Kepujian or the word Honours behind the names of the degree.

For exp: The Bachelor of Science (Actuarial and Financial Mathematics).

Source: http://www.um.edu.my/mainpage.php?module=M...&id=551&papar=1

Anyone of you mind to clarify?
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QUOTE(OMG! @ Jun 11 2010, 03:26 AM)
for science faculty, i don't see any Kepujian or the word Honours behind the names of the degree.

For exp: The Bachelor of Science (Actuarial and Financial Mathematics).

Source: http://www.um.edu.my/mainpage.php?module=M...&id=551&papar=1

Anyone of you mind to clarify?
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honours/non-honours status are not determined by the university, but by the course offered. meaning, in a university such as UM, there can be both types of degrees offered. taking an example of BSc actuarial and financial mathematics doesnt make ALL of UM's degrees non-honours.
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post Jun 12 2010, 03:12 PM

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local uni a lot got honors..but those reputable ui fromaustralia dun hav hon...
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QUOTE(Makakeke @ Mar 26 2009, 08:11 PM)
What difference does it make when it comes to working?
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that's true, which job and company you choose later...
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post Jun 12 2010, 03:19 PM

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is this is a honored programme?? B.Eng. (Hons.) - Mechatronic Engineering feeling like wanna know more about it...
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post Jun 14 2010, 01:56 PM

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My universiti (UTeM) has honours degree but no degree classification scheme. I've asked around and nobody can tell me why there is no classification. Anybody can share insight?
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post Jun 17 2010, 08:23 AM

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sory 4 interupting..
juz wanna ask some question..
i already pass all my subject in my bchelor science degree..
now i got pngk 3.45..
i also doing my thesis..
but the prob here,i hav failed 1 subject..
after reseat the paper back,i passed it..
my fellow said i can't get the title honour bcoz i've failed 1 paper b4..
in order to get the title hons,i need pass all the subject without fail@repeat..
izit true??????
i from 1 ipta in kl...
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QUOTE(xploitedlovex @ Jun 17 2010, 12:23 AM)
sory 4 interupting..
juz wanna ask some question..
i already pass all my subject in my bchelor science degree..
now i got pngk 3.45..
i also doing my thesis..
but the prob here,i hav failed 1 subject..
after reseat the paper back,i passed it..
my fellow said i can't get the title honour bcoz i've failed 1 paper b4..
in order to get the title hons,i need pass all the subject without fail@repeat..
izit true??????
i from 1 ipta in kl...
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which IPTA is that? some IPTAs run things differently. but at the moment, i havent heard of IPTAs doing that.

the honours title in the degree is embedded in the bachelor title. it's not an award. meaning as long as u fulfill the basic requirement of graduation higher than 3rd grade, u WILL graduated with an honours degree.
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post Jun 19 2010, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 26 2009, 07:38 PM)

The Honours system that described only applies to the 3 year courses in Australia. For 4 year and above courses such as engineering, it follows the UK system still.

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I doubt Australia's engineering courses follow UK system,as we are also based on invitation basis for honour degree where it depends on your WAM (Weighted Average Mark) to be invited for a honour 4th year thesis.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 19 2010, 12:54 PM)
which IPTA is that? some IPTAs run things differently. but at the moment, i havent heard of IPTAs doing that.

the honours title in the degree is embedded in the bachelor title. it's not an award. meaning as long as u fulfill the basic requirement of graduation higher than 3rd grade, u WILL graduated with an honours degree.
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im from Univ Pertahanan Nasional Maslysia (UPNM) which b4 this we called ATMA..
as the establishmnt of my U is still new,i didnt know the status of my bchelor degree yet..
either with honour or not..
bdw,thnx 4 ur info.. (=
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everybody..here i have some question about honours.my gf study degree of science (math) in uiversity of auckland. n suppost to finish the degree by this end of year. she still thinking to continue for honours or just finish degree only. what is the advantages by having honours or not. for example in term of salary ..

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