in malaysia, even certain honorary doctorates also pakai DR. WTF.... LOL.

is there a guideline in academia about the use of the designation 'dr' with regards to honorary doctorates?........

so azarimy, have you ask for this thread to be pinned??

just curious

no. i'm not aware if there's ever a guideline over the usage of DR with regards of any doctorates at all .

in the UK, people just use the highest title they have. meaning, if they have both a PhD and a Professor, they would only use Professor and keep the PhD in the cabinet, so to speak.

but in malaysia, some people are so obsessed with titles, they'd even "add" a DR for honorary doctorates. a friend of my father did this, and i kept telling him to tell him off, but he didnt, out of friendship hahaha.

and dont even get me started on PhDs from fake universities

Hi there,
This information really useful . thanks ..

That mean for local university. For example in University of Malaya ( Bachelor in Accountancy) even though it is a 4 year degree program. It is not recognize as a honor degree?


Do u have any idea what is the pointer for 2nd degree upper for local university.. Because the pointer system is in a messy now even seen usm got the apex status.. hahahaz..

I believe U are confuse with latin honors and graduate with honors.

with latin honors U're right. that scale is usually apply lower tier uni.
higher tier uni usually applies

3.9 to 4.0 Summa Cum Laude

3.8 to 3.89 Magna Cum Laude

3.5 to 3.79 Cum Laude

those Top Uni, usually apply some %.
top 1-2% Summa Cum Laude
etc.. which kinda push the GPA up.. usually a cum laude would go to those with GPA of 3.6 or better.

anyway, to graduate with honors, one need to take X number of honors credits.
usually one need to have a GPA of at least 3.5 to qualify for those classes.
upon finishing those class and maintain a certain GPA one would grad with Honors.
not sure if latin honors would appear jointly with "graduate with honors".

again, some Uni do not have this system. I think Harvard don't cause they believe all their classes are at Honors Level.

All IPTAs give Honor if u can grads

read the thread first. it's not the university, it's the courses they offer. some courses do offer honours, some dont.

One thing I learnt is that by old tradition, surgeons are called "Mister" rather than "Doctor". However, few surgeons adhere to this tradition nowadays and prefer to be called "Doctor".

Do you happen to have a list of courses that do offer honours? e.g. in UK I understand that LLB (Hons) is the standard.

Oh ya, correct me if i am wrong.

I heard that it takes 1 extra year to do masters if you graduate without honours

the guy from NTU told me degree without honours is like a toilet paper roll only. is it true?

wow... that could take a while...

it's easier if u just browse the courses that u want at their respective websites. all IPTAs will list the courses with honours or not.

nope. it depends on what masters u talking about. MPhil takes normally 2 years, regardless what ur previous qualifications are. MSc by taught course is usually 1 year.

a degree is only worth the job it could get u. some degrees are too general that it doesnt give u any advantage, but general enough for u to apply into a wide variety of jobs. other degrees are too specific that although it gives u advantage when applying for specific jobs, it's virtually worthless when applying into other fields.

oh no...civil engineering degree in utm dun have honours..

that is English system (UK, maybe most parts of Southeast Asia, OZ).
too much generalization here, pretty much depends on Uni and how they wanna name it.

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Added on September 21, 2009, 11:05 pmhaha...
when Uni grant 40% of the grads a 2nd upper or better.
and do allocate Merit after 3rd class. without honours and no title sure seem like toilet paper.

depending on individual goals too, some felt getting a 2:2 is a piece of toilet paper liao!


This post has been edited by patryn33: Sep 21 2009, 11:05 PM

I am not sure what the guy from NTU means by that. If that is the case then there a millions of graduates from Australia, New Zealand and the USA with toilet paper rolls including me. I won't take ignorance with offence. Anyway, as most people in the working world will tell you, a degree is just a stepping stone for you into your career. Other than the paper qualification, there are other things that will make you successful in your career such as hard work, critical thinking skills, people skills, etc. These skills can only be gain through participating in extra curricular activities and reading.

As we have discussed, or you may go to my blog, the honours degree is a system from the UK. It is not better, just different. Every country has a different system. We just need to find one that fits our character, skills and needs. The American system saved me so to speak. But that's a story for another day.

I won't share my salary but I think I am doing quite well with a toilet roll, haha.

wow.. cool.. you have degrees in ?

for a current undergrad or prospective undergrad who aimed high, such as getting into IB. your soft skills wouldn't be outstanding enough to get one's foot at the door. HR would have weed one resume out even b4 U can go for an interview, no chance to show those skills off. even if u work somewhere in the bank, your hard work, ppl skills etc wouldn't pay off. another example, one who wanna take the graduate route to a law degree or med degree, these skills wouldn't get 1 there too. very depends on what one wanna do and comfort level with life.

at the end of the day, I believe when 1 plays a role as a student just try his or her best, not F care and buy entirely into the idea of a degree is a stepping stone into your career what I do later is most impt. Do your best in the roles U play and don't live to regret. kinda saying hey ZYA no degree also driving BMW etc, how many such ppl around?
not easy to find ppl such as Jack Ma.
for many the direction maybe dictated by the grades.

anyway many ppl are crazy about measuring success..

The US honors program is optional and requires a 3.6 cumulative GPA in high school to qualify. It is extra work, a TON of extra work, and is supposed to give you an edge when applying for a job ... but really, all it gives you is an H on your degree ... which won't matter anymore when you get a job. Everybody gets a job eventually, so at least in the US system, I think honors is more or less a waste of time doing extra work with awful averages on exams - meaning that you're really doing a WHOLE lot worse than the general regular degrees because your classes are a whole lot harder. You pass those classes only because the averages are so slow, is what I'm saying.

This post has been edited by spunkberry: Sep 22 2009, 12:19 AM

Well done! This thread should certainly be pinned to clear the confusion and doubts of the public, especially employers, on the difference between the Aus/NZ Honours Degrees and the UK Honours Degrees.

I personally think that the AUS/NZ Honours is more value adding and caries more substance.

And yes, as Azarimy pointed out, more bragging rights as well

Afterall, the Honours year (at least in Monash) might be the toughest year of your life. ever.