I believe U are confuse with latin honors and graduate with honors.

with latin honors U're right. that scale is usually apply lower tier uni.
higher tier uni usually applies

3.9 to 4.0 Summa Cum Laude

3.8 to 3.89 Magna Cum Laude

3.5 to 3.79 Cum Laude

those Top Uni, usually apply some %.
top 1-2% Summa Cum Laude
etc.. which kinda push the GPA up.. usually a cum laude would go to those with GPA of 3.6 or better.

anyway, to graduate with honors, one need to take X number of honors credits.
usually one need to have a GPA of at least 3.5 to qualify for those classes.
upon finishing those class and maintain a certain GPA one would grad with Honors.
not sure if latin honors would appear jointly with "graduate with honors".

again, some Uni do not have this system. I think Harvard don't cause they believe all their classes are at Honors Level.

that is English system (UK, maybe most parts of Southeast Asia, OZ).
too much generalization here, pretty much depends on Uni and how they wanna name it.

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Added on September 21, 2009, 11:05 pmhaha...
when Uni grant 40% of the grads a 2nd upper or better.
and do allocate Merit after 3rd class. without honours and no title sure seem like toilet paper.

depending on individual goals too, some felt getting a 2:2 is a piece of toilet paper liao!


This post has been edited by patryn33: Sep 21 2009, 11:05 PM

for a current undergrad or prospective undergrad who aimed high, such as getting into IB. your soft skills wouldn't be outstanding enough to get one's foot at the door. HR would have weed one resume out even b4 U can go for an interview, no chance to show those skills off. even if u work somewhere in the bank, your hard work, ppl skills etc wouldn't pay off. another example, one who wanna take the graduate route to a law degree or med degree, these skills wouldn't get 1 there too. very depends on what one wanna do and comfort level with life.

at the end of the day, I believe when 1 plays a role as a student just try his or her best, not F care and buy entirely into the idea of a degree is a stepping stone into your career what I do later is most impt. Do your best in the roles U play and don't live to regret. kinda saying hey ZYA no degree also driving BMW etc, how many such ppl around?
not easy to find ppl such as Jack Ma.
for many the direction maybe dictated by the grades.

anyway many ppl are crazy about measuring success..

true, have u taken those classes b4?
avg are low so u pass with a or what not, that is common for a 400/500/600/700 level class my dear. tour UMICH ann arbor EE dept and u see ppl getting a a for 60%!

in red, not an American , not holding a greencard, its them that get a darn job. not those with need H1.
http://www.economist.com/business-educatio...ory_id=13724599
that statement in bold isn't true, it vary from uni to uni.

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Added on September 23, 2009, 10:49 pmany data to back this up? Sheffield Uni does that?

according to this your claim isn't accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_under..._classification
http://www.internationalstaff.org/degree_classification.php
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Degree_Classifications

This post has been edited by patryn33: Sep 24 2009, 10:24 PM

well, undergrad in their senior yr can take 500 or graduate level class lah...
1st yr engineering student and they already curve so much huh... felt U like in UC-berkeley or wat not.. Wow!

I hope ppl don't take low passing grade = hard class, at times its the students not the class. else ppl taking classes from OZ/NZ will get more bragging rights... US grade Inflation!!!
there are Prof failing 60% of the students and refuse to curve esp for freshman classes. no sound foundation how to do well in upper division classes?

again things do vary alot in US, can't help there are well over 3500 Uni and colleges.

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Added on September 24, 2009, 9:29 amnot seen any Prof getting impress with student doing Honors classes.. the CERTAIN keyword certainly makes a world of diff.
only met prof impress with students doing research and getting work publish.

ya.. everyone gets a job in the end of the day, may it be in US or Malaysia or AYZ country even those who go with those degree mills. whats new these days. heck! a Stanford Phd on the papers recently after working over 15yrs in the industry today also got a job as taxi driver in singapore.

the ladies here seem to do alot better than the guys that showed up in the US thread.
seem like we have another elite in the house!

This post has been edited by patryn33: Sep 24 2009, 11:14 AM

hmmm let me guess... U're in Purdue?

if thats the case.. hmmm according to this EE student can what.. even their top ranked program also can what, maybe not be Purdue.
http://posserver.ecn.purdue.edu/eceugo/deg...asp?degree=bsee
http://posserver.ecn.purdue.edu/eceugo/pdf/eee.pdf
https://engineering.purdue.edu/ABE/InfoFor/...m_handbook.pdf/

This post has been edited by patryn33: Sep 24 2009, 10:55 AM

poor international how to afford that? repeat a course just wipe everything clean... thats nice.
I wonder which are the Uni in UK that is moving away from the research components.

glad U admit to the mistake!

when U say qualify what do U mean? Prerequisites? or only the cream can take those?

congrats u are in your final term! Going to apply for OPT? any leads? or U returning after u grad?
although the job market is tough, there are company hiring and are willing to sponsor.
depending on which are U wanna go to.. I may be able to provide U with some names. PM me for info.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 1 2010, 12:58 AM