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 ★ LYN Yamaha 135LC Club V2 ★, ~The Power of Liquid Cooling~

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post May 29 2009, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(mayaboyz @ May 29 2009, 01:00 PM)
oo... thanx for the info. But apparently if want to add racing block, as far as i know the most important is to tuning the main jet and pilot jet. Anyone tried before? Standard main jet for Yamaha LC135 is 105 and pilot jet 20.0.
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i thk nick can answer ur question ere.. biggrin.gif m i rite nick?? rclxms.gif
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post May 29 2009, 05:59 PM

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alexei... lc std carb is 22mm oni... hehe
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post May 29 2009, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(bizzy123 @ May 29 2009, 08:01 PM)
Umm there is a block TDR brand also, i saw it at mudah.com but i dun noe anything about it maybe u can ask other guys.. Wa juz now i go watch movie wif Calvin kena mata block kacau nia but they juz record liao then we run awy liao...
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TDR is a gud brand as well... its from indon... material is better than the taiwan blocks... but pricey lor... tongue.gif
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post May 30 2009, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(thunderbird @ May 30 2009, 03:24 PM)
Better disc doesn't mean better grip if your brake piston remains the same. whistling.gif
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oohhh k... learned something new today.. smile.gif so u hv any evidence to support ur statement ere bro?? tat would be useful for the other forumers as well.. rclxms.gif

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post May 30 2009, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(thunderbird @ May 30 2009, 07:58 PM)
no need evidence lar, you change to bigger disc and try. no different from the ori disc.

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m already using bigger discs bro... tats y i say got better grip... hehe cool2.gif
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post May 30 2009, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(TryX @ May 30 2009, 10:15 PM)
Bro if wanna make ur bike faster dont put any brake biggrin.gif or u can put bicycle mini disc brake more lighter he he he he
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haha... sokong2...
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post May 31 2009, 04:07 PM

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nice info ther charge and alexei... rclxms.gif as chrge said, dun use the rm 50 steel-braided hose... very flexy liao... hehe... used to get stuck between the fork when turning the handle.. mad.gif hey charge, wat carb r u using...? plan to change carb oso.. but some say flatside is better for pikup(low-mid rpm) and roundslide better response for topspeed ( high rpm).... is tat true? do comment ya ppl.. notworthy.gif


Added on May 31, 2009, 4:10 pm
QUOTE(zenous @ May 31 2009, 02:06 PM)
tq guys...
any recommended shop
around kl
normally i go to segambut tobuy spare parts there...
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hey bro, u can try sentul area.. behind balai polis sentul... or jalan tunku abdul rahman area... icon_rolleyes.gif wher in segambut do u usually go bro? hw's the pricing there?

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post May 31 2009, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ May 31 2009, 07:06 PM)
I am using Keihin PE series. Round slide, but the needle is metal. It is the best carb I've tried so far (RM300 price range). There are better carbs of course, but they easily cost more than Rm500.
Eh? How come we need CDI?
For car ABS, the sensor just need to sense if the wheels are slipped, and then start the anti-lock system (ie tapping the brake fast instead of pressing hard on it). So for bike, we need CDI to support this feature?
Fuhhhh
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changed in bee hock rite?? laugh.gif tat guy recommend to me as well... so hw's the response?? does it suit long distance 'kaki' like me?? ..hehe... scared it will be fuel drinking.. blush.gif
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post Jun 1 2009, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jun 1 2009, 06:11 PM)
For people with NOB1 SSS pipe. There are some drawbacks.

The best match for stock 135cc engine is still our stock pipe. Just gotta remove those catalyst, make the extracter 1/4" bigger and smoother, that's it. NOB1 SSS mid and tail is slightly oversized for 135cc engine. No matter how I tune, the high rpm power just doesn't come.

I suspect the pipe doesnt have enough pulling power at the tail (smaller diameter allows higher gas velocity). I asked my sifu and he has verified it. Well, I don't know how to listen to exhaust note to diagnose, but pro can use ear to 'hear' powerband, hahaha.

I am going for 150cc soon. NOB1 SSS will be a good match then. rclxm9.gif
sidenote: camshaft machine in BeeHock isn't ready yet. My custom cam still pending sad.gif
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me too... tongue.gif waiting for almost 3 weeks d liao... hehe... FYI i jz got myself a nob1 sss today... hehe... 2nd hand for just rm70... rclxm9.gif and another thing is tat to those who is looking for nob1 sss n dunno wher to get... go to TOKICO in BM aite... saw jz one piece hanging in the middle of some cj ipoh pipes... so siapa cepat dia dapat ler... whistling.gif went ther to get d fork cover like wat charge is havin on his bike.. rm20 oni... quite cheap i guess.. unsure.gif
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post Jun 1 2009, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(PetaiMan @ Jun 1 2009, 07:59 PM)
i already ask the price
rm180.....
so expensive
next week i will go again to bm to find  shop that whysomany said
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wow... so expensive.. shakehead.gif last time my member bought around 150+ in kl... but nw very hard to find this pipe... i thnk tats y he 'cekik' the price.. laugh.gif
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post Jun 1 2009, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jun 1 2009, 09:05 PM)
saranjeevi, are u using 150cc now?
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no bro.. but its jz lying down in my room.. biggrin.gif waiting for bee hock to finish up the custom cam... drool.gif once its done, then i'l do the conversion.. so u're planing on FZ block as well?
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post Jun 1 2009, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(bizzy123 @ Jun 1 2009, 10:00 PM)
OO so for i m not going for 150cc so i can juz mod my piepe wif removing the catylyzer right?? HAHAHA ho say liao how much will it cost for doing tat at Bee Hock and how long will it takes??
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i'l rather advise u to remove the catalyzer and replace wit a wider pipe along with changing the manifold to larger one... i would say tat at least extra 10km/h is in ur hands with the right setting... thumbup.gif so go for it... n my mod was rm120 in BM POWER... brows.gif
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post Jun 1 2009, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jun 1 2009, 10:42 PM)
I am trying out other racing blocks. No plan for FZ block, as it doesnt have enough compression.

We can meet up when the cam machine is ready, haha
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sure bro... icon_rolleyes.gif but ther is no racing block for 150cc (57mm)... the least is 58.5mm(160cc if m nt mistaken)... so wats ur upgrade lately bro?? heard u're on racing cam nw.. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jun 1 2009, 10:48 PM)
wider pipe? how much wider?
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i thnk mine was 30mm in diameter if nt mistaken... but advise u al not to do direct piping till the exhaust hole.... sure there will be extra power... but the sound i tell u... yypang shorty oso kalah... doh.gif

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post Jun 1 2009, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jun 1 2009, 11:06 PM)
I am going for 57mm block and piston. Rm150.
I already got my racing cam design ready, just waiting for his machine. hehehe.

will do cylinder head porting as well.
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wow.. ur design huh...? cool man... so wats ur cam profile like...hi,lo, or bit of both... wats ur design like?? mind to share?? wat brand of block u hv in mind?? hmm.gif and charge, m thinkin of the 3bond thing instead of thelower gasket.. wats ur opinion?? take ur time ans all the questions ye... hehe notworthy.gif


Added on June 1, 2009, 11:44 pm
QUOTE(TryX @ Jun 1 2009, 10:57 PM)
Charge what u think about Nob1 SSS, on stock engine??? please tell us ur experience ?? is it advisable for stock bike to install Nob1 SSS any extra power? :Peace And Go
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i'l help u out man.. 1st impression, ur bike wil b 'ringan'... get wat i mean... gud acceleration... but top speed same as std pipe lo... max i thk 140 oni... its safe on stock engine as far as i noe.. nod.gif

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post Jun 2 2009, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jun 2 2009, 09:34 AM)
It is adding torque from low - mid rpm. top rpm power remains the same. So you will get better acceleration. As saranjeevi said, the bike feel very ringan.
haha, where do u get FX125 custom head and valve??
For lower gasket, I still keep them. Using 3bond basically increases the compression ratio. I already have my cylinder head shaved off 0.6mm, compression already increased wink.gif

I dont know what brand is BeeHock selling. Just want to try out 150cc, haha. my cam profile, i focus on all band power. I like a FAT power band, hahahah. So the camshaft is a bit aggressive I would say. Put a lot of stress on the valve and valve spring.

some basic parameters:
stock:
IN duration - 225 deg
OUT duration - 275 deg
IN-OUT overlap - 30 deg

my design
IN duration - 245 deg
OUT duration - 275 deg
IN-OUT overlap - 50 deg
increase IN lift by 1mm, increase OUT lift by 0.5mm

It will sacrifice torque below 3000rpm (which we seldom use for do full acceleration). Torque from 3000rpm - 5000rpm should be similar to stock, but 5000rpm and above will increase.

I would say, from mid range to high end, the engine response and power will be much better, while maintaining the mid-low rpm torque.
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wow... tats awesome man... do u thnk the 3bond wil b able to withstand the heat?? coz m scared it wil giv way.. do u thnk its safe... coz d guys in t135 r giving gud remarks on it... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jun 2 2009, 02:08 PM)
haha, then you can listen to t135 ppl. I have no experience in it, really cannot comment on 3bond.
ohh. Actually we can modify LC head too. BeeHock can get an exact LC head with much bigger valve. The valve angle is superb, about 30 deg I would say. Cost about RM500.
Someone about 50+kg tried on my bike and able to hit 170kph. I can only do 160kph for a while... damn scary.

answers:
1. I already machined the piston. Got a deeper valve pocket.

2. perhaps I can give more detail cam spec.
stock
IN open -15 deg before TDC
IN close +30 deg after BDC
IN center +100 deg after TDC (not very sure)
OUT open +100 deg after TDC
OUT close +15 deg after TDC
OUT center +70 deg after BDC

my design
IN open -25 deg before TDC
IN close +40 deg after BDC
IN center +110 deg after TDC
OUT open +90 deg after TDC
OUT close +25 deg after TDC
OUT center +80 deg after BDC

basically OUT shift by 10 deg in overall. The limitation is actually at the intake. We don't have enough air/fuel mixture going into the cylinder at mid-high --> high rpm. So my idea is to increase the IN duration, give it 1mm extra lift and then increase the overlapping a lil. Exhaust duration is good enough, js increase 0.5mm lift will do. Well, these are all theoretical estimation, gotta fine tune again using butt dyno, hahaha. And yes, I really hope to get some VTEC feel on LC rclxm9.gif

AFAIK, Yamaha R15 / FZ150i cam is even more aggressive. It is a 270 IN / 270 OUT cam, with 60 deg overlapping. Mine is only 50 deg overlap,
I have tried a Genuine Yamaha racing cam, which is VERY VERY aggressive. 330 IN / 290 OUT, with 110 deg overlapping. The high end power simply R0X! low end sux like shit la, hahhaha.
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tat yamaha genuine racing cam is considered high cam i thnk... because the degree is so high.. 330/290 shocking.gif but as for standard LC n FZ.. its still considered low cam rite bro?? so it gives more low end power rite?? smile.gif
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hey ppl, need advice here... planing to shave of the lower liner of my block... around 0.5mm... n deepen the the valve pockets... is tat a must i should modify the head as well?? wher can i do tis? pls recommend any shops u al noe... n the cost if u al hav any idea... thx in advance...tongue.gif
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QUOTE(saranjeevi @ Jun 3 2009, 05:31 PM)
hey ppl, need advice here... planing to shave of the lower liner of my block... around 0.5mm... n deepen the the valve pockets... is tat a must i should modify the head as well?? wher can i do tis? pls recommend any shops u al noe... n the cost if u al hav any idea... thx in advance...tongue.gif
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QUOTE(alexei @ Jun 4 2009, 09:15 PM)
Buy Anchor spray semi-transparent type?


Added on June 4, 2009, 9:20 pm

Lower liner? Which part of the block is that?


Added on June 4, 2009, 9:25 pm

Not riding LC yet... still a 2-stroker.
So, you using a programmable CDI, or just adjust the crank?


Added on June 4, 2009, 9:31 pm

Chain tensioner... I think we know the purpose, but not the benefit.
I can only imagine off road bikes need it because of the rear swing arm travel too much.
I think for me, its to spend money scratch my swing arm only...
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its the lower part of the block... whch comes into contact with the cranckcase... biggrin.gif but as for LC m nt that sure which part i have to shave nw... unsure.gif it should be either 1 or 2... any idea??

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post Jun 5 2009, 02:53 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jun 5 2009, 12:22 AM)
I've seen red and clear tranparent before... black not sure.  tongue.gif


Added on June 5, 2009, 12:27 am

there are two different parts, the inner sleeve which looks protruding out, and the outer block, where coolant circulate inside.
Avoid modding the sleeve. It matches the piston length, conrod and crankshaft to make sure the piston stress is applied evenly at every stroke.

I am not sure how the top part looks like - where it connects to the engine head. If it doens't have any interaction with the coolant flow, maybe its a better place to skim.
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which place is better to skim bro?? the upper part of the block wher it comes to contact wit the head?? neway tis is hw the upper part of my block n pistons looks..

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