RM8000 / 48 month = RM167 per month.....with hybrid it can really save up fuel more than RM167 per month??

Even if petrol go up till rm2.7, it still expensive to replace the battery.

better recomend TS to install NGV

yes... this is good info... recently last year i think top gear ran a comparison between prius and a big cc car... for long distance n on d highway d fc for prius is realy high

youre not going to replace the battery everyday, monthly or yearly basis..
31km/l for a hybrid car its a good figure... + RM167 monthly (battery)
11.63km/l for 2L Civic VTEC

someone do the math if we travel, let say around 3000km monthly, fuel price at rm1.8/L

Between NGV and Hybrid, I choose Hybrid. Cause you do not need to look for NGV station for fill up. Also, Hybrid are for much decent driving. NO hard pedal. pretty much its a quiet car.

don't simply give wrong info if u're not very sure abt how the whole things work.

IMHO, hybrid tech is still not matured enough.

I agree that if TS really want something that has low FC, better go for NGV. NGV car can also run on petrol.

p/s: To all, please don't give wrong info on hybrid, and please don't mistaken that hybris=electric car.

Don't buy new cars yet!

When government introduce the new Euro 2M diesel, I'm sure both Toyota and Honda will bring in diesel version of Civic and Altis here.

FC-wise, diesel beats petrol and hybrid any time.

Why? Diesels have great low to mid end torque at very low revs.

And diesel are also more efficient than petrol engine due to higher compression ratio.

actually honda hybrid is for those wanna help to save the environment. which mean for rich ppl. those ppl have mercedes and bmw and sport car, why not get a hybrid car, juz for showing purpose.
u are rite the maintaince is definitely costly than a normal car. if wan save fuel, maybe u can consider civic 1.8 or city lor save fuel and money.
or else better go civic 2.0 or accord 2.0( juz topup 12k money only).
another thing, i heard the civic hybrid power is comparable with civic 1.8.

For start, let me apologies if my post is misleading.

Secondly, please allow me to rephase what I have written.

1. Hybrid (from what I know) works best if the engine is constantly moving. When constantly moving, it will use engine-alternators to charge the battery, then that battery will be used to power the engine (and thus, reduce the overall dependency on petrol).

2. I meant to say Hybrid will win in a highway situation (refer point.1) because in a KL situation (read: peak hour), the capacity (ratio) of the alternator charging the battery and using the battery's power to run the engine is lower comparing to in a highway situation.

2.1 Do enlighten me if the overall concept of a hybrid (for Honda Hybrids) is no longer using alternator to charge the battery when the car is moving, and then using the battery to power the car (?)

3. Let not talk about grey importer for the time being, it will tend to include non-relevents topics such as spare part for Toyota Prius, repair etc etc. It would be easier if we limit our discussion to the hybrids available in Malaysia. Simply, because if Toyota actually bring Prius to Msia Market (hell will freeze over first), it would've be the best seller and would have (both) my thumb-up for anyone who wanted to buy it.


Lastly, to all that seem to know more than me, please do enlighten me, TS and all reader on the information that you have. Forums are meant for us to discuss, compares and enlight one-another, just for you to simply bash. It is pointless to just write a post "You do not know what you are talking about, noob!!" and then does nothing to justify what they mean, or to explain why I was wrong in what I was writting. But, by doing exactly that, you're just giving the impression that you wanted to say something, but you have nothing to justify your post (read: empty pot produces the loudest sound)


p/s: Sorry, didnt realize that there is no 1.6 civic. It makes my point even clearer. For the same amount of money, you can choose between a 1.3 hybrid engine and a 1.8 (min?) normal inspired engine.




This post has been edited by Dovienya: Mar 24 2009, 09:45 AM

you need to research more on how hybrid works dovienya.
your concept is wrong from point 1, and that leads to misleading info for the rest of your points.

this is how the system really works:

I thought the comparison was made when the Prius was running on maximum power and the M3 chasing with only half of its power?
The lesson was more about your right foot, not entirely about big CCs, although I have to agree that higher CCs tend to save more for long distance journey.

i asked the sales person it will be under power or not... he said it's the same as the 1.8 as they use all light weight stuff on the hybrid

besides that I asked can change the rim because the rim in hybrid is not nice but the said not recommended to change rim as it's light weight rim alloy or something.

need more input from you guys expert.

larger engined cars also tend to have higher gear ratios for higher top speed. at normal highway speeds the rpm would be low. but it doesnt apply to racing cars with close ratio transmissions

I see.
Apologies for all the wrong info in my post .

yes, the whole package is designed to save fuel and reduce drag. it has underside diffuser as well.
light weight? i dont think so.. curb weight is in between 1.8 and 2.0

eehh ..

if stuck in the jam for more than 2-3 hours ...

will cause any problem not ?? since the battery will cost rm8k ( 4 years is depend on average mileage or what?? )!!!

( coz now always like to suddenly drop superb heavy rain and then will jam like hell )

I have tested the car ...

is very comparable with the 1.8 civic.

in low RPM the car willy can perform but if you want to have hight speed i dont that car will suit.....

as you understand the eletric motor is to help for your low rpm so that you can save up petrol when start your car when the car go more than 2k rpm the petrol engine will start to kick in...

if your do alot of high speed crussing i dont think will save much....

ask i use that car for 100km ride i think that if u always drive the car 110kmh i think the best petrol is around 16kml average.

is a very good car for town and smooth travaling.

not for high speed ride.

event you see our singapore people also not much hybrid on the road i think untill now i check with the SA in singapore they said they have sold in 4 year around 100 car untill now .....

event toyota is around less than 50 hybrid only untill now....



This post has been edited by monster2020: Mar 26 2009, 09:16 PM