hey guys, have u ever heard of promecor solutions? it's an m&e engineering firm

haha... agreed with nicvoo
final destination of consultancy is becoming associate of the company to get profit sharing, else.. gtfo..
u sure in dilemma if it doesnt goes well

read ur blog and this need sum fine tuning

M&E breakdown into 2 major parts which is Mechanical (M) and Electrical (E) :

Mechanical
- Fire Protection System (spinkler, gas protection, heat/smoke detector system, Fireman Intecome)
- Air-Conditioning and Mechanical Ventilation
- Sanitary System
- Cold Water Hot Water System
- Irrigation System
- Natural Gas Services
- Vertical Transportation System (Lift, escalator, moving walkways, vertical platforms, dummy waiters)

Electrical
- Electrical HV
- Electrical MV

ELectrical LV
- Electrical Small Power
- Electrical Lighting
- Generator

ELV
- PA system
- CCTV
- SMATV
- Telephone
- Structured Cabling System( Data & networking)
- Audio & Visual System
- Building Security System (card access, guard tour system car park barrier access)
- Building Management System
- Earthing & Lightning
- accoustics

new ones
Green sustainable engineering etc.

its very board therefore alot of work n pay wise not rewarding unless u hav the passion n will to learn n self improve u'll b fed up in a very short while. but if u jus do small small projects it'll b enjoyable hahaaha

This post has been edited by nicvoo: Mar 22 2009, 01:10 PM

wow.. fantastic...
will update accordingly ^^
but in depth, place like UAE or western countries, they just dun called this as M&E, its MEP, mechanical, electrical and plumbing, but this term kind of weird for me thou.

yes.. green building which an 'IN' thing over SG, does not been set as an standard in Malaysia yet..
designer can choose to adapting it or just ignore it over MY still..
but in future do hope it will become a enforcement.
all those bugger in government just know to say but nothing is implementing so far...
but quite shocking, my company tendering a project for JKR, its a green btw.

nicvoo: u work in SG rite?

even in sg its called mep

ahh... tats where u r misinformed. the 1st green building in the SEA region belongs to msia. even sg b4 they hav their own ZEB took msia's as a reference. can be said tat msia was the leader till sg came up wif their Greenmark thingy. chk out the site http://www.ptm.org.my/PTM_Building/location.html

there was an article in the star whr they were talkin bout implementing it will b smthing like sg's greenmark n eu's LEEDS well lets c wat they come out wif but wif the rate of bribery n corruption n the lack of maintenance watever they implement also useless.

the main reason for a building to b able to conserve energy is by constant maintenance. sadly in msia not done

those maintenance ppl i work wif while i was a contractor sadly have n "tidak apa attitude" any screw ups call the contractor they never take the initiative to learn how to maintain their system.

i worked in msia then left for sg

Wow Wow... lol
Nicvoo very detail oh.
I'm more to da mechanical engineering part in M & E consultancy.
So far I find plumbing and fire protection to be quite manageable.
ACMV is da hard thing 2 catch hold.

Nicvoo, since u r working in da consultancy line in SG, mind 2 tell me how r they paying da consultants over there in SG?

I do not noe anything bout da green building n stuff coz mine is a relatively small company n developers in malaysia tend 2 go for da dollar sign rather than da environment, so not much green thing involve. But its definitely a great hit in overseas.

As I noe, many consultancy firms tried 2 set foot in UAE but den almost all burnt their hands there. Dunno da actual reason though.

PJ Mechanical engineering consultant. Will update soon.

nicvoo!!

Just a doubts, i taught irrigation system fall into C&S?

i'm doin elec but done some basic mech design.
in msia yeah its still ok not so strict u can do watever u like haha in sg all have their own code of practice for each service so its hell. fire protection is the worst. ACMV also real headaches but hell i'm elec haha

in sg u get rewarded if u go for green plus there r incentives. eg. solar there's rebates from the gov if u use solar. if u get platinum ratings for greenmark the dev,m&e consultant n archi get 1mill each

hahaha y they get burnt is simple. compared to othe countries consultants msia ones r a bunch of ppl who do not explore other possibilities plus they r so used to being corrupt to settle everything tat they cant do wifout it. everything they'll xpect the contractor to settle it.

the work that uae do r very technical. how the hell can they fight wif atkins,hyder,maunsel, arup etc? the experience and knowladge tat these consultants hav compared to msia ones is like comparing heaven n earth

sad to say ang mo consultants to this day r still better n higher regard then asian ones

lets get it straight 1st irrigation u mean landscape irrigation or drainage?
drainage is under c&s
landscape irrigation will b under the landscape consultant however the main infra will b by the m&e eg. tank sizing, collection n distribution of water. the end points like to use drip/sprinkler/etc n how much water will be decided by the landscape guy

diff countries diff services under diff scope eg in msia VTS in under mech but in sg its under elec

I working as consultant as well in Wisma Central (beside KLCC)

I only join this company for 1 year+, because my company do not has enough engineer, I need to take care of 3 projects, all mechanical included (ssuuuuuxxxx), it makes me almost crazy every weeks......any comments

One of my project is the F&N Fraser Business Park, it is a turn key project...i realy don like turnkey project, it always change layout, even the structure work is done, its still change..wtf....

Since the checker consultant for this project is KTA Tenaga, and i heard that, for major project, they got 2 engineers handle ACMV, 1 for CWS, 1 for FF + Lift...so i guess working in this kind of big consultant firm is quite free, and high pay as well......correct me if i am wrong

Thanks

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Added on March 22, 2009, 10:36 pmI working as consultant as well in Wisma Central (beside KLCC)

I only join this company for 1 year+, because my company do not has enough engineer, I need to take care of 3 projects, all mechanical included (ssuuuuuxxxx), it makes me almost crazy every weeks......any comments

One of my project is the F&N Fraser Business Park, it is a turn key project...i realy don like turnkey project, it always change layout, even the structure work is done, its still change..wtf....

Since the checker consultant for this project is KTA Tenaga, and i heard that, for major project, they got 2 engineers handle ACMV, 1 for CWS, 1 for FF + Lift...so i guess working in this kind of big consultant firm is quite free, and high pay as well......correct me if i am wrong

Thanks

This post has been edited by nyencheong: Mar 22 2009, 10:36 PM

I'm refering to drainage & irrigation agriculture. Indeed, im dealing with water control product which my targeted consultant are C&S that involves in drainage & irrigation. Thats why it create doubts on me. Even the local government that im dealing are the Drainage & Irrigation Department(DID).

If 2.4k bfore confirmation in consultant firm, i would say its high

I only got 2k before confirmation.

In consultant firm, i believe you cant request for more, company rarely will pay high.....if request for high salary in construction line, better go for contrator.

lol 3 only count ur lucky stars i've 6 ahahah. its like tat one lo change n change n change. big comp they hav 1 for each service but guess wat same like u they r not handling only 1 project on their hands the hav 3,4 mayb 5 projects its normal else how the comp earn $$ wif only 1 person 1 project?


the m&e r incharge of the main system as i said the tank water collection n pumps to distribute. the end side will be determines by the landscape consultant but this is in sg it mayb diff in msia

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Added on March 22, 2009, 11:00 pmagree 2.4k is very good pay already, i got 1.8k when i started lol sum small ones i heard only 1.6k

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Added on March 22, 2009, 11:08 pmanother thing to add even though the work sucks i doubt its a good idea to post your comp name n location its a small industry everyone knows anyone so careful

This post has been edited by nicvoo: Mar 22 2009, 11:08 PM

nyencheong,
also consultant huh ?

nicvoo,
bout the corruption, its fuking damn true, everyone in industry no matter tom,d*** and harry finding loophole to get kopi o.. specially checker consultant..
yeah... this thread getting more n more informative, i am quite new with 1 yr plus of experience, need learn more from sifu here ^^

UAE case, according to feedback given by my manager, there are too many authority to go thru, each services need go thru each authority and they have more stringent standard to follows..

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Added on March 22, 2009, 11:37 pmu called CONtractor not for nothing..
they carry cultural of conning ppl -.-


This post has been edited by firecrac: Mar 22 2009, 11:37 PM

everyone wans a bit of the pie of coz its already a culture. i've also my fair share of bribery

hehehe its the other way round as i said it is the other way round thrs no authority in msia n they folo watever standard tat the dev from eg American dev so folo American standards. if they say no standard to folo usualy they folo the BS back so basically its all BS (aka bullshit)

part of being a contractor is the art of conning well contractor con consultant consultant con client so its in the food chain hahha
another forummer iDK is a project engineer he's quite knowledgeable bout the UAE market i think

i also in this field for almost 1 year since grad from uni. taking care of 7 projects , without any guide from senior engineer, coz my company dun have senior engineer.. only two director which is mechanical and electrical. full of stress for such workload.. btw, my company is the 1 located at bandar tasik selatan..

hahaha so much negative input who still wans to join this industry hahahaha unless u r damn interested in this field join in the fun else dont waste ur time

okok 1 by 1. I've been onli off for a few hours n its loaded with replies.

Gary 1981 : Let me get dis straight. M & E scope of work for plumbing is from da main water meter onwards to da building and everything internal. beyond da main water meter at da distribution pipe is under da scope of C & S. To correct Nicvoo (sorry, no offence), landscape irrigation pping is also under M & E scope of work although scopes varies from project to project depending wats covered in da contract. Any internal drainage or irrigation or waste water piping in da vicinity of da project area would be under M&E scope by right. Check ur contract to confirm.

Nicvoo : Da hardest part in FP I think would be da compartmentation of da basement and da smoke discharge system in da basement. Other than dat, it can be found in da book. UBBL and da red Fire Fighting book. Its always da basement dats giving problems. As for ACMV, always oversize da cooling towers and AHUs. If after da job n it is found out dat da engineers undersized da air conds, or consumes too much electricity, engineers would be in alot alot of trouble. I had 1 job b4 dat they missed out da heat load of da CT scan equip. n da machine almost overheated.

Like I said, overseas emphasize more on da green grren things, wherelse malaysia goes for cheap cheap n even cheaper.

Nicvoo, u still haven't reply me on da salary of a normal M & E consultant in SG. If it is high, I would consider working there also. lol

nyenchong : Turnkey projects r always da pain in da ass. Plans keep on changing. Sometimes b4 M & E comes out with da amended layout, da arch has already come out with yet another set of layout. It would be worse if u have SG clients, famous for being picky n fussy.

Nyenchong + Nicvoo : 2.4k was b4 da economic downturn. It would seem alot too u all but if u r living in KL and PJ area, its not really as good as it seems. Everything is so damn expensive and da living standards r so high.

Nicvoo : My name is in 6 diff projects in da project list but active ones so far r onli 3 or 4. lol. Still, its a pain in da as* when all r tendering at da same time. Its hell.

firecrac : Not onli CONtractors r conman la, we CONsultants also da same wat. Dats y it takes a CONsultant to guard over a CONtractor. Make sense? CONsultants keep an eye on da CONtractors by putting a C.O.W. on site n we all liaise with "see an ass" engineer and LANscape acheeteks. But we all still have 2 report to da S.O.s (Architects) which in turn reports to da "kill I ants" (client)

Endnote : I've been in dis field for 8 months, see no future if I stay in construction for da rest of my life. Would be jumping to another line soon as da economy recovers. Like Nicvoo said, so many negative feedbacks, yet ppl r still goin in dis field. I personally think da knowledge gain being a consultant engineer is much much greater than sales engineer or project engineers coz we overlook all services where da earlier specifies. Although I have yet to find out where shall I put my knowledge into use, but I have a feeling dat dis knowledge will be valuable someday somehow.

Feel free to PM me for details. Good nite. Tomorrow still got a tender document 2 prepare where da tender collection date is day after tomorrow.

none taken as i said it varied between the countries till where the cut off is. in sg the work is only the distribution on whether its drip/sprinkler or watever to water the plants is decided by the landscape guy. drainage will b the work of c&s n archi.



compartmentation will b the prob of the archi they'll do the fire compartments n decide wat type of ventilation needed. theres no such thing as always oversize. oversizing doesnt cause u to consume more elec? by oveesizing how much oversizing d u mean?chillers n ct have night n day load which differs. oversizing equipment means more $$ to get them n also bigger space, bigger equipment loads bigger ducts less headroom, etc. its not as simple as to say jus oversize them lol



dream on hahaha still in asia if u go aus or eu mayb theres better pay. u missed out on the great sg rush hahaha now recession they prefer to get ppl wif xp n they can choose not not like b4 employee market anyone also they take.


SG clients as i say sg hav codes of practice to folo unlike msia its free for all its not fussy its becos ppl hav standard where as msia no standard



i was getting 1.8kpay in kl too. my project is behind hotel istana. so u getting 2.4k as freshie i would say its high



all consultants r like tat. even if u r looking after 1 service. 3 o 4 big ones? o small one?



well i've a nice illustration of archi,consultant.contractor,qs n client in my office pc will upload it tomolo anyway in msia consultants r usualy known as"kam sau koon" in canto. the c&s are customer service while the architects gives us heart attacks



the knowledge u gain being an consultant,contractor,sales,project r all different. u've only been here for 8 months already say no future lol havent even completed 1 project hahaha. havent seen the world yet in 8 months. ppl who join this field mus generally be interested in this field. else like u work 8m run liao


haha i need to do presentation to clients chk shop drawings chase ppl haizzz.. sienzz.....

not enough engineer in your company? Me,Me... if your boss don't mind I know nothing about construction sector and learn from 0

This post has been edited by Alice_1122: Mar 23 2009, 06:19 AM

i also want to tumpang, the company accept internship trainees?