hi,

as per the subject above, there is one guy renting a house of my mum and not been paying rent for probably 6 months,
earlier it was 2 months din pay but keeps on delaying the pay .
now he promised that he will settle up by end of the month and upon checking the tnb bill, there is around rm 8xx not yet been settled
so just wondering if he still din pay / settle the due payment, what is the best thing to do ? is it possible to get back those money he owes ?
fyi, he is a cop / soldier in cheras there.. shall i go and report to police on this matter or direct to the soldier camp on this a ?
many thanks for the advice.

Wow, your mom really is something. Can owe 6 month rent and not do anything.

Ya lor.. I already kick him out if he dint pay rental more than a month....
I think u should lock a police report first before kick him out....
Jus give a reason that your monther decided to sell the properties....
Hope others forumer will give u better ideal...

At least your tenant is not as bad as mine.

Normally if no pay rent for a month also will be given a warning or a notice of eviction.

Erm, deposit sure not enough to cover right?

Yup, deposit sure cant cover... i started when the rental not pay more than 10 days.

I will sms him to remind if my tenant not pay more after 1 week...

Give him a notice for 1 month, if no payment after the given period, make a police report & kick him out of the house. I don't think he will pay the arrears if you kick him or don't kick him out. Consider burn la....

ya la.. tat time owe 1 month .. ok lor... since he ald rent for 2 years jor.. mana tau .. afew months later .. owe again , said outstation (since he is a soldier) bla bla bla .. sms no reply .. call he wont pick up ... total 6 months liaw ....
now he said he will move coz next month will go to johor as he has to relocate there.. last week said will call me yest coz once if the loan approved, he will clear up the balance with me since i know it is just a lie ... cilaka.....
i am thinking, will police report sufficient to make him move out ?
how should i go and report it to the police ?
errr.. deposit, think can barely enuf to cover the bill for electricity IF there is no increament on the bill
the rest. tink burn liaw...
well if he ald moved out.. will post his name and id to remind others dont rent to him lolz

The last of the 6th basic step of property investing, property management.
Failure to manage properly can lead to many problem.

Set a date like 5th of every month, rental received on or later then this date, rent is late.
Late fees apply, like RM50 or 5% of rental, whichever is higher.

At the same time file for eviction, file and let the tenant know he will be evict unless he pay up including late fees within 5 working days.
Fail to comply and he will be booted, with all his deposit forfeited. If after deducting deposit and he still owe you, his personal item inside the rental property would be sold to recover the losses.

cant do anyhting one woh, my house rent to one indian and one chinese b4,

that chinese stay for 1 year wuthout paying rental,

and the indian stay for 6 month, and i halau him out, the next day, he is gone, and my wall is break, and all the wiring putus,

i find lawyer and consult them, ya i can sue them, but i have no time, and not worth since u need to spend many time and cash on it,

wah sai .... rugi lor if like tat haiz...

how about request TNB and PUAS to cut the electricity and water?
since that guy no do payment to them as also, i think they will keen to cut for you...

but after that .. when that guy moved.. i will need to pay rm 200 to them to reopen back the account ?
hmm .. one thing.. my mum promised to him as he said by end of the month, he will pindah and settle all hutang d... should i wait or.... cut now ?
hgmm

10days to go... should ok but need to be caution on it...
maybe u should co-operate with the neighbours, worry that he wont inform ur family when he moving out...
get the neighbour assistant to contact ur family once found he are moving out from the house but no inform to u...

ald informed the aunty besides jor... but i guess she also scare will get into trouble coz anyhow, he is a soldier
hmm in that case.. will listen to wat my mum says.. just wait till end of the month ba..
sigh .. not a general comment but.. cilaka that malay soldier....

i am thinking, since he is still a govn servent, it will not be a big issue if i go and complaint to the soldier camp / direct to www.warkahuntukpm.com.my .. at least can deliver such msg to someone ? hehe

hm... maybe u inform other neighbour also bah... but assumed other neighbours informed u and the soldier suspecting was the aunty informed, no point also what... haha...

i dont think the msg can be deliver to his supervisor, bcos none of their business, why they want to make themselve in deep shxt? hence all the complains always filtered by management before reach to higher level...

i believe that the soldier planning to relocate another houses within 10 days... enough time to plan everything such as transportation... so beware...

well in such case.. i tink nothing i can do about it.. unless wait for him to reply or meet up to settle the issue..
since the worse we are thinking, he will run away with the rm 8xx bill , and 6 months rent.. :S
wuwuuwu ...

do u have his IC copy yet?
maybe u do a documentation that he promised will pay the balance amount and settle the billing end of this month with his signature approval... i think he wont easy to run away without paying the money and u still manage to log a report with police that he cheated your money... so his info may blacklisted and he will having issues to pay loan, etc... u will return the documentation to him once he settled all the payments...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Mar 20 2009, 10:53 AM

but.. with such issue, u tink he will easily sign a ? hmm i have his soldier id here when we sign in the contract

IF he having the commitment that he will pay, what he afraid to sign? verbal promise always cheap...

otherwise u prepare another documentation for him, said that he settled all the payments and bills before he left with your signature approval... so he no need worry that u chasing him behind even though he settled everything...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Mar 20 2009, 11:44 AM

Go to court get a writ of distress...

Then the cops or court bailiff will help you remove him from the premises...

my dad engaged a lawyer to sue the tenant if he doesn't leave or pay up. the next day the tenant ran away without paying a single cent but at least he left.

another case was the tenant hutang 3 months rent, he ran away quietly & left the house key on the door knob & we discovered it until our neighbour called us.

both houses sold & no more renting out houses.... ever!

This post has been edited by ah liew: Mar 21 2009, 12:33 PM

He's a soldier, which means government, which means fixed, stable salary. If he's telling the truth you can get it back. If you have a legal agreement you can apply to have part of his salary forwarded to you automatically. This is called "garnishing" -- talk to a lawyer about that, 6 months is a lot of money.

If you have his ID and the contract you can still get the money even though you no longer have the house he's a soldier, where can he run? if he goes AWOL the army will hunt him down, and they are the army, they're trained to hunt people down


This post has been edited by wodenus: Mar 21 2009, 09:29 PM

do you have an agreement? is it stamped and still valid?

if yes then read here

Malaysian Bar



if no, then

first you need to make a police report to back up your request.

is the tnb meter registered under your name?


could you settle the bill with tnb and request tnb to cut the meter off?


then you could also proceed to cut the water supply.


next get some taikor to help you to clear the house.

Landlords always get the short stick in Malaysia. Eviction notice? Get police to acton the stamped tenancy agreement? Court order? All cannot "walk" wan...

What I did was to call them up, and when they try to avoid, I went over and talked to them, still nicely but I left with the warning that if they still don't pay, they would come back from work/college and collect their stuff at the big "wardrobe" downstairs, aka the big DBKL trash container. I was so tired of hearing their excuses and delays. Did I really do it? Let's just say even after they move out they still keep paying in installments what they owed me.

I'm not like those triad members you see in TV, but critical situations require critical measures. But do have heart, in some cases the tenants may have some difficulties, and in these cases I let them stay for free. Karma's a b****, but it's one b**** you can't f*** with... omitofo....

lolz.. tats wat we did.. well when he is shortage of $$$, we said it is ok .. just as long as next month,, u can settle it then ok .. next month .. he did really settle it.. but time passes... starting to owe and ffk.. till now 6 months jor..
yest all of sudden... he got sms me.. asking how much he still owe us .. hmm guess it is a good signal.. but according to my aunt, she said more likely, he is just pretending and will lari eventually....
well, i do think so, as long as he is a soldier (*govn servant) think he cant "vanish" just like tat .. the most, i will go to the camp and report kaukau... but will they layan me ?
thanks for the site.. indeed good information for me

well, we will c what is the updates on 31st of MArch (next week)

Just a question is your place in those low cost area? Generally tenants like that appear a lot in low cost area.

ts, i feel u. my mom also having similar problem with her tenant. the fellow never pay on time throughout the year and his deposit edi burn. now my mom want to evict this fellow out but he don't want to move out and best of all this fellow ask my mom to help him to look for a house to move . worst is my mom never sign any tenant agreement with this fellow.

since we are the same topic. ts tumpang thread. can i ask any member here have any good suggestion on how to ask the fellow to leave?

leahcim ... same here

Drian - the place will be cheras awana...
guess so, there are new low cost flat nearby
last time we rent it to an indian (no bias on any religions) and it is hard to blame him as well coz his son died in accident and since then, they did not pay any rent,
the worse part is, he left and luckily leave the key in side the house
rugi onli around 1K plus .. with bill electricity RM 5xx
found out he moved to nearby flat which i guess is cheaper. he was still ok coz still answering my call but keeps on delaying my payment
finally when my mum called him, that guy got flj ... and said dowan to pay ..well, it is within our expectation already ..

but this time.. duh soldier and din pay.. another 6 days to go and we will c he will pay or not lor.. wuuww

leahcim - y there is no contract sign here ? hmm honestly i did one simple contract stating all the information and we both sign .. thats all ..
guess next time when he left.. will find those agent to settle it.. guess will be safer ?
probably will cut the electricity and force the tenant to apply themselves..
i heard the area is better now with possibility or getting rm 600 for double story house hmm...

as there is TS says.. can go report police and force them to move out ?

good luck

my mom didn't have the contract sign with this tenant due to she was too comfortable with the previous tenant. the previous tenant was a nice tenant. pay on time without much hassle and not to mention taking good care of the house. i guess my mom thought this tenant will be the same but at the end cause a big problem. it was a big mistake. i think i'll suggest ur suggestion to my mom to cut off the electricity and water to force the fellow out.

good luck to both of us.

make a report in police station, giv some duit kopi 100/200 to speed up the process of wiping the tenant from your house.
That is what i did last time. =x

Luck stands for Labor Under Correct Knowledge.

The reason you guys have bad tenants because you didn't scan the tenants before renting the property to them.
Another reason is the lack to take quick action when something goes wrong.

hehe .. first time deal with such problem .. but good thing also .. learn from mistake.. and hopefully other people will take note on such issue
anythg amiss... act quick

ya lor... must take action quick! owners can't afford to let tenants stay for free right?

if the tenant ran away with a huge sum of water & electric bill lagi teruk....

i rented a house in IOI Kulai, the owner told me that previous tenant paid deposit of RM50 for water & electric bill. the tenant ran away & left RM300 water bills.... unpaid!

this one so easy la..let's see, the prop is under your mom's name, there's someone in the house, your mom doesn't want him in the house, and he's not the tenant, cos no tenancy agreement wat...

wei..this is trespassing liao! he's committing a crime! breaking and entering leh! can straight away ask police to go tangkap! but before report police, make sure he's home, then lock using a large chain so he can't go out, then oni take police there. then give RM50 to police and ask them to wait outside before you go in and belasah him kao kao...

er...i din say any of that ar..i just say oni play play (but I really want to do that laaa!!)

lolz..
6 mnths is too much ady..
my dad also hav a house for rent.. n every mnth if a tenant din pay we will warn him..
but if he delay rental for a mnth (cos our deposit is for 1 mnth) we will definitely halau him..
if he din leave the 2nd day sure my dad n some friends will take cangkul n halau..
although it seems a bit barbaric but tat's the way to handle such ppl..
but it's better to do it nicely... try report police.. since he no longer pay rent so he can be charged for trespassin like meejawa said..

too bad tenant... mine is lucky to get back RM400 electric bill recently...

one more day to go hmm .. we will c my fate tmr morning T.T
pray for me guys...

lucky you. for me mostly run away cases

today tried to call him, as expected.. he is not answering.. sms baru reply onli .. saying he is in kedah .. cant move his things yet.. saying to wait till 10thapril due to the byelection ...
he did mention that he will be back on 8th .. and will try to move the things till 11th..

after a few sms..... did force him to bank in rm 500 first...
he said will do so on this saturday
wat u guys think ?
should we wait again ?
my mum and i plan to cut off the electricity and water ...
guess with this move, my mum needs to go there to do it personally ...
any idea ?
should we wait again ? but if nope... the rest lesap ... and if he indeed in kedah now.. he also cant come back and move out his things...

sigh.....

any updates TS? i am also facing the same problem as you, although my tenant did not pay up yet for only 9 days... hehe. she and her family moved in on 1st feb this year with 2 months deposit given. it was through the agent and at that time the agent said that she worked as an engineer in lo & lo (anyone got this company's number?). i never thought much of it and just accepted it, its a mistake i guess. in march she delayed her payment by a week saying that her pay only comes out on the 6th or 7th. this month the excuse was that she went to indonesia and would be back today, but i was only informed on the 7th by her husband! i mean if you have the intention to pay me at least you would inform me earlier and not wait until i chase for it then tell me, to me that is intentionally delaying and probably not wanting to pay. my agent went to check them out yesterday (cause i am outstation) and said that no one is in the house.

now she and her husband avoids my calls and sms and i am preparing for the worst. called my lawyer and she said getting a court order would take 6 months... she advised that i deliver a normal warning letter first than see how it goes. it seems to me that although she is a lawyer she is siding onto the along tactics! hmmm...

forumers any advise? anyone has the engineering company lo & lo information? greatly appreciated.

lo and lo... aisks... errr tat day he realli banked in rm 500 on friday .. siad after the by election, he will be back .. yesterday and will settle it on 10th ... tomorrow but honestly i still doubt it..
anyway .. i will sms him again today and see how he response again ...

if you ask/force him to leave now how much are your losses? i am thinking of asking my tenants to leave even if they eventually pay me because i have lost the trust and if they stay i would still continue to always pester them every month for the rental. very sien if like that.
just count myself unlucky lor even engineer also will play this kind of thing with me.

yupe.. same thing goes to every one here if we are not able to manage it well
hmm to-date .. i got back rm 500 and just sms said he will be back from kedah (due to by election) tmr night and will start packing his things.. then next meeting will be either monday or tuesday as he said he will need to "move" his thing back to johor and come here back for our key back
hmm guess he will delay again +_+
so in total.. rugi rm 3K with 15 days (for this month) but for this month... we don intend to kira with him .. let it go like tat ..

total kerugian RM 3K ..


darn .........

Once a liar, always a liar.
Do not trust people who cannot pay on time.


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i intend to send a kind of legal letter (its a letter my lawyer drafted based on my tenant agreement) next week. my tenant ignored all my calls and sms and they are late for 11 days already. hopefully they will choose to terminate and leave peacefully which is very not-gonna-happen. my lawyer actually advised if they do not listen i could just walk in and change lock and also cut all utilities. i thought it was illegal and showed her the relevant websites that i could get sued for it even though the tenant agreement allows me to repossess if payment late for more than 7 days. i am still waiting for her reply...
very troublesome as i have to fly over back to kl and do all these. i was thinking of having my agent do all these but not so confident on him...

This post has been edited by mouldybread: Apr 11 2009, 01:05 PM

Yours is also management problem.

I always recommend newbie to start near home, when problem arise, you can solve them easily.
Once you are more experience, normally you would have a good property management company to take care these "things".

do you have any good property management company that you could recommend? mine is around setapak area. pm me also can. thanks

Sorry none.
I am a newbie like you.

damn .. the guy still MIA until now ...
fark...............................................

hmm guessing what to do ?
able to contact his wife. which i believe they are having some commotion at the moment and she is in johor now
i am still unable to contact her husband.. said yesterday nite will pass me the key but MIA ....
tried to sms his wife.. said give her time till tis end of month .. then she will move all her things..
told her ok as long as she can bank in at least rm 200 bt she refused saying no money
since her husband is MIA and wont ans my call.... what should be the best thing to do ?
total lost rm 3.5 K and bill electricity rm 8xx ...

his deposit : 1 month + rm 200 = rm 700

now i just keep on calling him... errr just press dial and leave my phone aside coz i know he wont pick up the call .. just annoy him lol...

my mum and i plan to cut the electricity tmr... any good suggestions ?
should i wait till end of the monthas promised by his wife ?
thanks..
once my issue settled.. will post up his damn name and soldier id.. beware of him ...

Already stated the solution.
It's not your tenant fault anymore.
It's your fault now!

Logged report wit police...go to TNB and syabas temporary terminal it..for jsure he will leave the house sooon.

i did to my tenant after he own me 2 months rental...

just curious, did he damage anything in the house?

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Added on April 22, 2009, 10:22 amwe should have a thread that posts all lousy tenants detail just like what they have for the lousy landlords in the classified-properties section.
i lol that you call and then just leave the phone aside just to annoy him.

This post has been edited by mouldybread: Apr 22 2009, 10:23 AM

shortly will go and cut off everything.. duh
government servent.. also cant afford to pay rent.. damn fed-up ......
hope he will leave the house ...

Go talk to your lawyer about the eviction process.
The same solution I gave you last month.

Don't be surprise bad tenant can steal electricity and water from his neighbour, making their stay prolong.
Also get ready to pay re-connection fee for your water and electricity.

agree. cut ele./water things like that meaning u r being a bad landlord now and u will be blamed on court. Better get protection from police/law before any of your further action. U need to stay clean

call the gangster to solve ur problem..

have u cut the power supply???

im a locksmith and i seen this cases daily,(if your tenant is under contract) what i advice is first make a police report, then bring some heavy duty locks, those in ipoh can pm me for info, hhehee...

lock up ur place tightly, and put the copy of police report and a notice, "PLEASE CONTACT ME TO ENTER HOUSE" once he did , ask him to move out now or clear up the rent,

bear in mind to go with someone, best is kasi duit kopi ahem, and ask a police to follow u,

this will settle nicely and legally,

iit might seems cruel but that by the book, imho its already good enough if he or she owes u months and months of rent and been dodging u


as for new owner that wanted to rent house here's a tips take 2 months deposit, install prepaid electric meter and monitor the water meter monthly.
also the most important is to take in keys and lock deposit, eg i pass him a set of keys and must obtain the same amount back including condition of all the locks and door are not broken .

This post has been edited by Hwoarang45: Apr 28 2009, 01:37 PM

This lock up method does not make any difference to cut off electricity supply and water supply.
And I am afraid it is not a legal and proper way to ask for past due rent from a tenant.

I just managed to receive the 2 week past due rent from my tenant.

This is what happened:
I called my tenant and said I will hire a lawyer to get a court order
to evict him, and he will need to pay for all court fees.

Then he finally made the payment.

This post has been edited by andrewH: Apr 28 2009, 04:03 PM

This is the correct method.
Yet many forumers giving bad advise and could land the landloard in deep shit.

Even this is the correct method, but the landlord has to be very patience to wait for
the court to issue the court order which will take 5 or 6 months later; in other word, during
the process period to get the court order out, the landlord cannot do anything but the landlord
has to tolerate the "bad tenant" to use the premises for "free" until the court order
is available to evict the bad tenant. Is this correct?

And I think it is very important to make an IC photostat copy from the tenant.

I mean the file for eviction and give notice to the tenant only.

99% of the tenant will pay up before court date.

This post has been edited by jasonhanjk: Apr 28 2009, 04:59 PM

if really go to court also nvm. During the waiting period, just go to TNB cut electricity, then tell management to stop water supply, see wanna go out or not.

I was wondering it is a legal way to cut off the electricity and water supply during in
the middle of processing the court order???

lol, don't mess with your tenant, otherwise you just make yourself(landlord) suffer.
Eg, the tenant will
1) dirty the place
2) destroy the furnitures and fittings etc

before he leaves....


and one more 'creative idea' which is

local the door
lock the bike
lock the car
then double lock everything
big thick chain
then..
find a horse's head....

I heard of it, can we take legal action if the tenant damage our property, like what you mentioned: pour cement into the toilet bowl .....

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Added on April 29, 2009, 9:45 pmWah.....

I suggest the first step to scare the tenant by saying that will call the police rather than
locking the door.

Locking the door is not a proper method....

This post has been edited by andrewH: Apr 29 2009, 09:53 PM

Unless the lease is clearly stated upon 2 weeks late payment.
Doors would be shut, tenant forfeit all deposit, all personal stuff in the property would be sold off to reclaim lost income.

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Added on April 29, 2009, 9:57 pmA clear stated tenancy is extremely important...



This post has been edited by andrewH: Apr 29 2009, 09:57 PM

If the tenant play play with my rent..i will kao kao kao tim with their duck..but the U change with I la...

are you willing to spend more money on the legal fees or just use those money to renovate your premise?

According to what you said, we just have to tolerate the tenant to damage our
property and without taking legal action to claim for compensation from them?

At least, I will forfeit all the tenant's deposit...

I just called to tribunal office, they said they do not handle the problem in
between landlord and tenant.

not to say tolerate but at least keep a good relationship with your tenant. you can forfeit the tenant's deposit but don't do something 'extreme' and make him angry, in the end yourself(landlord) suffer

due to the above matters, nowadays some landlords are very fussy in choosing his tenants. he would rather keep it vacant rather than renting it out to some weirdos or strangers

This post has been edited by nothingz: May 1 2009, 10:14 AM

This post has been edited by andrewH: Apr 30 2009, 07:31 PM

haha.. same thing happened on my frend too. U can get help from some fat indian man to ask your tenant to move out.

How is your friend handling this problem?
Can you share the story..?

To use violent method to force the tenant to move out is not a proper and legal way...
Better don't do that..!!

an alternative method it might be worth considering that immediately after the tenant paid the latest installment (assumed that its already late), give him a termination notice to sign and have him leave in one months (according to tenant agreement) time.

at least this helps to cut losses..

2 cents

for my cases.. i do get back my house tis time
now appt to an agency to rent / sell it out ..
the condition is still good but.. the glasses door.. pecah liaw.. damn ...
after that .. they (the soldier and his wife) nvr bother to ans my sms or call

after that i did file a complaint to

BIRO PENGADUAN AWAM
JABATAN PERDANA MENTERI

a reply from them on such issues asking to consult lawyer whether is it worth it to bring the case to court or not

in the mean time, he is asking me to send him the soldier id.. now i am still thinking should i send him the detials or not

My guess is correct.

Husband and wife liar team.

Don't bother. Going to court will not be in your favour.
If this case get drags on, many more sleepless night.

I believe rental off ur place, is a business which involve 'risk'
talking about sueing stuff, end of the day, wht u get? lose of $ & time.
better be alert before u rent to anyone else.
just take it as a experience for investment..
as i dont agree with sueing stuff, is totaly waste time... and know ur mistake or tread is as bad luck.

yupe i agree with it .. that's i don have any plans on sueing him or them on such issue..
as per adv by jasonhanjk... it is a good way but too bad.. from my case.. it is too late. Glad that i learn more and will be more alerted on renting the house to others..
hope everyone can learn from this

Now I figure out the security deposits need to demand more for the next tenant.

even now my mum also scare jor... said need to ask for 2 months liaw .. lolz
jn called my friend (lawyer) and he recommended me to apply from magistrate court since the amount involved is less than rm 5K ..
hehe ... apply for garnishing and auto transfer from his salary monthly hmm ... getting back the money is not the most happiest thing for me but to make him realize that cheating is not a good practice and force him to pay me back is the main reason for me now.. wakaka
hope it works tat way

Can you provide a detail information about "magistrate court"?
Like a phone number....

My tenant is delaying this month rental again... .., every month I need to chase him
to pay rental, electricity and water bill, this tedious process is very tiring...

This time I want to see how late he is going to pay...

well.. my issues here is.. that guy lari ald..
tats y asking me to contact that "magistrate court"

in your case.. probably u can consult ts - jasonhanjk or follow his method which i tink it is a good idea

i do not have any contact for that "magistrate court" as he adv me to go directly to the jalan duta there for the application form and try my luck
with such tenency agreement (not being stamped) , my bank statement and the sms saying he knows he owes me rm 3.5K can be sufficient to get the garnishing order

I think soon or later...I will get a court order to evict my tenant.
I regret to rent to him, really not worth for these hassles..

FirezZ, for your case, you can get free legal consultation from
legal aids center:
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/legal_aid_centres.html

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I recommend this branch, they are the best:

Legal Aid Centre Selangor
No. 41-A Jalan Bola Jaring, 13/15,
Section 13, 40100, Shah Alam,
Selangor Darul Ehsan.

Tel: 03-5510 7007 / 03-5510 7008
Fax: 03-5510 7009
Email: sellac@streamyx.com

Good luck...

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Added on July 22, 2009, 11:07 pmThis month, my tenant is delaying his rental to me for more than a week. Luckily, our contract will end on this October.

I am thinking to ask him to move out earlier before the contract ends.

Really regret to rent our office to him..

This post has been edited by andrewH: Jul 22 2009, 11:07 PM