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Life Sciences The PHARMACY Thread, everything you need to know/ask

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post Dec 21 2009, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(silvis @ Dec 20 2009, 11:05 PM)
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lol not really I just got to their minimum requirement and I applied with it. So 3 subjects in A2 Level is already quite all right isn't it instead of taking 4 subjects up to A2. I'll die D:

Yes I know we can apply to nottingham but somehow parents are insisting that IMU one is better than nottingham's Malaysia one D;
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Tehnically, Nottingham is one of the highest ranking unis in UK for pharmacy so it would be better than the IMU 2+2 with Strathclyde, but Strathclyde is not too bad a uni either. It's actually pretty good.

Don't worry I'm sure you'll get in (IMU MPharm) as long as you meet their minimum requirements.. A friend and I applied quite last minute (one week before semester commences) and we both got a place... but try not to do that. Basically, just apply once you've decided. Try to go for their open days and such (get application fee waiver). I had to pay RM150 application fee.. only to turn down the offer. A bit unhappy about it.

Do note that you need IELTS to enter IMU. So get that done and out of the way first during your break.


@igmroey: I have a few friends who are doing the IMU 2+2 and one who has already graduated from there. All in all, the experience in UK is a good one definitely. UK is more practical/community based while Aussie unis don't emphasise so much on that. It won't be much of a struggle if you took A Levels... or any other pre-u for that matter. It might just take a bit of adjusting to the UK edu system for the 1st semester or so.


In terms of finding a job here, I don't think there's a problem. I don't know bout in the UK though.
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post Dec 24 2009, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(jaja09 @ Dec 24 2009, 12:20 AM)
hi..i m new here...n i would like 2 know whether IMU accept MUFY a nt??? n i wan 2 know wat is Australian University Foundation Programmes....is it same wif MUFY??? n IMU better or monash better??? so if i choose 2 go for march intake for MUFY...can i cope it?? n it will b vry rush a nt???
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Yes, IMU accepts MUFY. Australian Uni foundation programmes like SAM, AUSMAT and HSC are similar to MUFY in terms of recognition and assessment.. Only difference between the foundation programmes are the syllabus (ie. how much you learn)..

If you want to cope for March intake... you'll have to work much harder than the Jan intake cos you'll have to catch up. It will be quite rushed. Better to go for Jan intake if possible.

IMU and Monash have different system... IMU uses UK system while Monash uses Australian system. IMU would be better if you take the MPharm program. If you wanna take BPharm, then Monash is better..
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post Dec 25 2009, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 24 2009, 10:47 PM)
that is not true........foundations are university specific, and not all other unis will accept it, or accept it on par with a formal year 12 result with a TER rank.....
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I meant to refer to IMU and the private unis around Malaysia... naturally they are not on par in other countries.


Added on December 25, 2009, 12:35 pm
QUOTE(OMG! @ Dec 24 2009, 07:48 PM)
May i know what makes the differences between a MPharm with that of BPharm?
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what differences you interested to know? If in terms of syllabus, as mentioned by youngkies in the 1st post, mpharm is more research intensive.

In terms of recognition here in Malaysia, I think it's the same


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post Jan 10 2010, 10:47 PM

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Is Kamal the bookstore in IMU?

Books are scarce here in Monash. Maybe I need to head down to Kamal one day to get my books if Monash still doesn't order them.
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post Jan 16 2010, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(BlueLavender @ Jan 16 2010, 05:07 AM)
@baoz,

hey my-soon-to-be-senior-if-i-got-good-results,
there are some questions that need to be answered from you.

1) am i able to apply for PTPTN loan for feb2010 intake? As you mentioned that the first batch couldnt get the PTPTN loan. Is it available now??  blink.gif

2) hows life in Monash? Is it good? as you've spent 1 year studying over there. As you know Monash fees is most expensive compared to imu and ucsi for BPharm, do you think that the extra 60k for Monash is worth it??
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Hey, hope you do get in. smile.gif

1. Yes, PTPTN is available now. As far as I know, [I think] all my coursemates who applied were granted RM70,000 loan. So that's about half the fees.

2. Life in Monash is definitely good. Being the early batch rocks because we're pretty united and we organise lots of activities. Speaking of which, we're working towards setting up a Pharmacy Club here. So you can look forward to that. smile.gif

I do think the 60k is worth it. We have the facilities, we have good teaching personnel, we have strong student organisations and clubs around.. I can't say much about the syllabus yet since 1st year stuff are quite basic.


Added on January 16, 2010, 2:27 pm
QUOTE(viperWC @ Jan 16 2010, 12:51 PM)
@baoz,

i have accepted the offer for the coming feb 2010 intake in monash.
hemm..... im quite nervous...esp after seeing how much time and energy my ex-roommate spent to study for the first yr

i took MUFY at sun-u and i fear that the mufy syllabus is just too brief to prepare me for bpharm, but i dun c the point of regretting my choice
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Great and welcome to Monash!

May I ask who is your ex-room mate?

Don't worry, you'll do fine with MUFY. All you need is a bit of extra effort to catch up on your own. After the 1st semester everybody will be pretty much on par with each other. Almost half of the 1st batch are from MUFY anyway and they're all doing well. =)


Added on January 16, 2010, 2:46 pmNow that we're on the topic on Monash, I'll give a little briefing of what to expect in the first year. Basically, you'll be doing 4 core units in sem 1 & sem 2.

1. Human Physiology
2. Organic chemistry
3. Physical chemistry & drug delivery (introduction)
4. Pharmacy & society.

I'm sure once you've got your offer letter, you would have also got the names of your units which sound similar to what I have mentioned above.
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post Jan 16 2010, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(viperWC @ Jan 16 2010, 08:57 PM)
@baoz,

Im sure u know Hong Liang rite? haha
thats so informative! thanks future senior!

omg i didnt take physics.....
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Haha yes I know him... such a small world. Don't worry he studies way more than what we 'normal' people study. I only study half of what he studies. Probably even less.


Don't worry bout physics. As long as you've done pre-u chemistry before you should be fine. It's about the same. Remember molar heat of enthalpy ... extent of ionisation and all that? Basically those kind of formulas you'll be touching on.

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post Jan 20 2010, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(insightone @ Jan 19 2010, 09:10 PM)
I want to take Diploma Pharmacy at KPJ COLLEGE OR MASTERSKILL.... ARE these college good? icon_question.gif
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Of the two... I supposed Masterskill is more well-known and therefore better. I've never heard of KPJ til you mentioned. Why not try INTI college?

And why diploma instead of degree?



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post Jan 23 2010, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(lee 1234 @ Jan 23 2010, 10:32 AM)
then .. why some people choose stpm and A -level .. but no foundation ?..
curiosity ...

thx for sharing ...
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Foundation is a bit risky because the unis may not accept it. Even if they do, they expect you to score high for it because it's not as recognised as STPM/A Levels.

This is because a foundation is targeted for entry to a certain college's degree programme and tailored more for it. They may not cover the syllabus that the other unis expect them to cover.

International foundations like MUFY/AUSMAT/SAM are recognised by private unis around Malaysia.

College foundation programmes like Foundation in Science or Foundation in Arts are not so recognised.

Also, people choose A Levels / STPM to keep their options open in the event they decide to study overseas later on.

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post Jan 23 2010, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(lee 1234 @ Jan 23 2010, 04:55 PM)
O I C  ...

if i want to study pharmacy .... which way is better ?

@baoz

is it like if i study foundation in science in a college ... i just can complete my degree in that college ? cannot change to other college ?

thx for answering my question ///:)
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For pharmacy... definitely I won't recommend going through a college's foundation. Unless you're looking at UCSI..

If you take a foundation in science, you can still go to other unis but will be difficult.

You plan to study local/overseas/private/public?

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post Feb 11 2010, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(BlueLavender @ Feb 11 2010, 11:52 PM)
just got my offer letter from monash sunway =)
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Congrats! Are you gonna take the offer?

If so, welcome to Monash. smile.gif See you at orientation and +1 to the family! thumbup.gif
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post Feb 27 2010, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(abang brother @ Feb 27 2010, 10:15 AM)
Asking :

I'm going to sit for SPM this year but i need to have an aim in order to make me work hard to get what i want.

So here's my question: Does everything we learn in Form 5(Chemistry, Physics and Biology) are applied in Pharmacy? Thanks smile.gif
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Form 5 sciences provide the foundation. You will need to know the basics (SPM level) in order to understand the subjects you take in university for Pharmacy later on.

Among the few things you will re-learn and go deeper later on in Bio and Chem for example are:

Cell structure and function, all the human body systems, mitosis/meiosis...

Alkane, alkene, alcohol (and every other organic chemistry out there), rate of reaction, soap hydrolysis, fat hydrolysis.... etc.


So yes, everything (with the exception of a few) you learn in Form 5 Bio and Chem will be applied in Pharmacy. Physics.. not so. At least, for me I haven't come across any of the laws in physics yet.
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post Feb 28 2010, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Feb 28 2010, 02:21 PM)
is the TS a pharmacist?
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No, I'm not a pharmacist. I'm a pharmacy undergrad student. There's a list of LYN pharmacists and pharmacy students on the 1st post...
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post Mar 11 2010, 09:51 PM

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What do you guys think of the move by our government?
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Source: NST Online



Honestly (to me), 3 years of difference is no difference. I still see better prospects elsewhere.

On top of that - no dispensing rights, no talk.

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post Mar 11 2010, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(raul88 @ Mar 11 2010, 10:07 PM)
by elsewhere u mean by migrating to other country
well..its a good move but once u try to migrate u'll know hard hard its is...even all the process is tiring enough
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No... don't mean migrate. I mean in other sectors like private...
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post Mar 12 2010, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(bafukie @ Mar 12 2010, 11:47 AM)
honestly, gov rate is getting better each year. I can say if ur planning to go private, think hard. depending on areas, some places pvt salary is just slightly above gov salary only wink.gif
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In that case, then..
What about the industry in private sectors?

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post Mar 15 2010, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(yixuany @ Mar 15 2010, 08:46 PM)
how's pharmacy in monash university sunway?
is it possible to work in australia then?
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Pharmacy in Monash Sunway has been good so far. The course seems well structured under one of the oldest and more established Pharmacy schools in Australia.

Facilities and teaching staff wise - we have all we need. Well-equipped labs and qualified lecturers.

I don't know about working in Australia, but the Sunway degree is recognised by Australia.. I suppose to work there you'd be subject to Australia's immigration rules.

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post Mar 21 2010, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Mar 21 2010, 01:17 AM)
Hi guys, my daughter will be doing her SPM next year, and she got no clues as to what degree to do. She is very intelligent but she is not interested in being a Dr. So thinking of asking her to consider pharmacy or acturial science.

I would appreciate that anyone can answer my questions as follows:

1) Is the pay scale for fresh graduate here in Malaysia the same for MPharm versus BPharm.
2) I want her to get an overseas degree, most probably sent her to Australia as nearer. Can she take SAM for IMU 2+2 program?
3) Noted in 1st post that there is no twinning for Australia MPharm in Malaysia. Want to confirm that twinning for MPharm is only with UK Universities.
4) Why does IMU states that the duration for BPharm: 4 years compared to MPharm: 3 ½ years? The duration to get a  Master Degree is shorter that Bachelor, this I can't understand.
5) If get MPharm can go directly for PhD?

Thanks to all for contributing to this thread (I just read the first page).
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Hi, I'll try my best to answer some of your questions.


2) yes, she can take SAM for the IMU 2+2. As long as she meet their academic requirements. You can check the website or enquire at IMU for this.

3) yes, twinning only for UK universities. For Australian universities you'll have BPharm only.

4) both BPharm (local/Aus) and MPharm(UK) are considered first degrees. they're about the same in terms of the course content, except that a research module is incorporated in the MPharm program in their final year. As for the duration issue, it's got to do with the UK system, just like in Engineering. Sorry, but I don't know the details of this.

5) yes, can go direct to PhD but have to meet the PhD requirements too (correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think it's guaranteed entry?) Example of a requirement would be to graduate with 1st Class Masters.


Added on March 21, 2010, 4:45 pmDeal all,

I've updated the course list for IPTS. As far as I know the new ones that have come up recently are as follow:

- MAHSA college , MPharm with Liverpool John Moores Uni (UK)
- Taylor's University College, MPharm with Cardiff University (UK)


I just got back from Taylor's Open Day this weekend and enquired about their new Pharmacy program. They're in their final stage of getting the approval, and the first intake should be in September 2010. They're also trying to make arrangements to get January intakes from 2011 onwards.

Their 2+2 SHOULD be accredited by RPGSB in UK. They're still in the process of getting this done too.

They're looking at getting a 4+0 arrangement as well.

And like all pharmacy schools in Malaysia, their program will be fully accredited once their first batch of students graduate in 4 years time.

atm, they have no prospectus/course structure/fee structure up but you should be able to see them around within the next 2 months. So stay tuned for that.

You can take Taylor's Foundation in Science (Health science stream) to get into their health science degrees like Medicine, Pharmacy and Biomedical Science. But be warned, only take this foundation if you're very sure that you want to follow their degree as other unis may not accept this. Their intake for Foundation is Januray and June every year. The duration is for 2 semesters.

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post Mar 23 2010, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(minshuen @ Mar 23 2010, 09:11 PM)
thanks for the prompt reply.i think i am going to take STPM as my pre-u study but as everyone knows,stpm result will only be released on the end of feb.since monash sunway only have feb intake for pharmacy course,does it mean i have no chance to enrol in the pharmacy course of monash sunway on the same year my STPM result being released? icon_question.gif
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Monash Sunway only has one intake which is in February... so far I haven't seen anyone coming in with trial STPM results.

I'd suggest you give the management a call to confirm this. But if you can't get them then do send me a PM..

But since STPM results come out in the same month (this year when STPM results came out we were still having our orientation and haven't started our course).. maybe you can appeal to get a conditional offer first? I've seen a few students entering the course quite late.. like in the 1st week/2nd week of the semester.

And if I'm not wrong, you'll need IELTS. So do enquire about all these and get them done first once you've decided to do BPharm at Monash Sunway.


Edit: Confirmed that you'll need IELTS. Check entry requirement here >>>>

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post Apr 4 2010, 10:55 PM

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Go for Notts if you can afford it. You graduate with a MPharm, recognised by RPSGB, and gain overseas exposure for 2 years.
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post Apr 4 2010, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(loveless90 @ Apr 4 2010, 11:06 PM)
thanks everyone for the prompt replies.

Yeaa im well aware that notts pharmacy is a 2+2 course and hence its more exp. However, when u say notts is definitely a better choice than monash, may i know why? Is it only because of the oversea exposure and the chance of working in the UK? and let say what if one studied in notts and got the cert and worked in the uk for a few years and then he kinda got bored with the life in the uk or rather he found himself did not suit the atmosphere thr and had decided to come back to malaysia...does he still need to work in the gov hospitals and serve the gov for 3 years before being granted the license to practise in malaysia as a registered pharmacist?
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Yes, regardless of where you graduate from, as long as you want to practice in Malaysia you still have to do your 3 years.

Just take it that the money you pay extra for Notts you get to experience and expose yourself to a different environment, life and community.

I can't comment much on the course structure other than the fact that Monash's degree focuses more on theory and research while UK degrees (Notts, Strathclyde) focus more on practice.

So I would say that the only advantage Notts has over Monash would be the overseas part and UK recognition.

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