Hi Amansiara Owners,

1. Long time since I posted here..... update the other day went to my house.... pictures kat bawah... with this heavy rain almost everyday u all better go see ur house..

2. when passing by during heavy rain last week sunday... we saw this wall in front of phase 3 was leaking (lot of water gushing through) - from amansiara 1 go straight turn left further down at the end of the wall was the leakage.

3. rumah siapa ini 15-1, the entrance was flooded...

please see picture.






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Hi Everyone,


Panas oic today semua orang!!!!!

Ok please find enclosed a brief explanation on what we discussed on our meeting with Home Buyer Association Mr. Chang.

As mentioned in it we have to individually write in to the developer to request for the status of the CF. In the midst of getting the engineer contacts, once letter ready I will post it here so everyone can copy and do the necessary changes to it and send it out individually.

Apart from that we have also talked to our area counsellor Mr. Tan. He told us he will help to check with MPS on our CF application. My hubby is to supposed to call next week to find out status on this matter, will update later.

Ok as to what we need to do later is to arrange for a meeting (as indicated in item no. 6 - letter attached).

Another Info: All the items on the handbook can be changed don't worry. Our main concern is CF and only once we get the CF can we create a committee known as JMB (Joint Management Body) whereby we buyers will have more shares and 1% share is owned by developer... that means whatever issue that we bring up kat AGM Meetings we can vote and change for instance:

1. RM3000 deposit
2. Having Pets
3. Parking of visitors / allowing them to come in
4. Any other matters pertaining to Amansiara that needs to be viewed from time to time.

So Please everyone help to send out the letter and if anyone staying around Shah Alam boleh tak go get the form to arrange for a meeting.

Thank you.

Rgds,
Sharin

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Added on March 6, 2009, 3:05 pmHi,

Forgot to mention something... the whole idea of arranging the meeting is to discuss and come to a conclusion on important matters:

1. is the place safe to stay in - since landslide happens (and there was info that our land is filled with water, so in the long run might have problem if the piling done was not good) so we can get government engineer to check and verify for us.

2. who does the Club Membership ownership belongs to?

3. CF is a package – does it include the clubhouse?

4. When is the clubhouse supposed to be completed?

5.Not identified – walls and roof – who does it belong to? And where are the boundaries?

6. When can we get our CF... what is holding them back from giving approval?


We were also told to give a powerpoint presentation indicating and showing all the defects and what issues that we are not happy about in our taman!!!!!


So please someone help to sort out the interview with the relevant departments.

TQ again.

Rgds,
Sharin


This post has been edited by Shafary: Mar 6 2009, 03:05 PM


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Hi Silvertron,

MY S&P ah even after getting cf the bank don't release all monies to developer.... the final payment is after 18months..... i guess this was a mistake the developer tak perasaan kut... because my friend also bought a unit in amansiara and hers was once CF dapat bank release all monies to dev.

Real Devils!!!!!

Hi Alan,

Thank you so much voluntering.... is the meeting this sunday confirmed... then we can meet up and settle this issue also.

Rgds,
Sharin

Hi I agree with Nuwaira too.... if you read the forum you will notice tht we have gone through this same topic... we need to get moving!!!!

I asked for help for someone to go to Shah Alam government office (Menteri Besar office - 5th floor) to collect the form to request for meeting with the necessary dept.

This is more important than harping again and again on the same issues.... we need to solve not just complain.

Hope no one is angry, we are all aiming for the same: A HOUSE.

UPDATE FROM MPS COUNCELLOR: The CF still not submitted yet.... he is arranging with the MPS people to go and have a look at our taman, not sure when.

Hi Alan,

Well that I am not sure ..... but as of now CF not submitted... hope the councellor goes and have a look at our taman asap, at least he would have a clear picture/scenario.

Even today when I went to the site to handover my defect form the guy working there told me that the CF submitted.... how to trust anyone of them.

Hi,

Very sorry, what I meant to say was that I had asked if anyone can help to get the form but no one volunteered until today for that.... not that i got someone to do it for me... but looks like i will end up doing it.

Need to collect from:
Lembaga Perumahan Dan Hartanah Selangor
Tingkat 5, Podium Utara, Bangunan SSAAS
40503 Shah Alam, Selangor.
Telefon : 03-55447537/7166. Fax : 03-55135568
E-mail : lphs@selangor.gov.my
Website: http://lphs.selangor.gov.my

Its a form to request to gather for a meeting with the necessary dept to talk about our project:
1. Lembaga Hartanah & Perumahan Selangor
2. Pejabat Tanah & Galian (PJG)
3. Land Office
4. Majlis Perbandaran Selayang
5. Developer
6. Purchaser (representative)



Thank you....

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Added on March 13, 2009, 3:09 pmGovernment office buka ke saturday?? if not susakthy able to make arrangements tak next week.



This post has been edited by Shafary: Mar 13 2009, 03:09 PM

[quote=vincentyys,Mar 16 2009, 11:29 AM]
Thanks for the effort for every body.

List of Phase 1 who received the key:-
Mat Rami - 121(B) = 52-2 - matramiyani@gmail.com/019 2310332
Vincent - 131A = 32-1 - vincentyys@gmail.com
Sharin - 118B = 58-2 - shafary@gmail.com
Jeffary - 118A = 58-1 - shafary@gmail.com

Hai,

I support what you had said.... its true no point just appreciating but working towards achieving the goal is important.

Hi,

Have gone through your post.... basically our house loan and S&P lawyers are good for nothing.... they only side WIRAMA - so we forget about them ok.

Mr. Chang HBA - basically has explained the same thing to us also... the committee that we had setup right now is known as PROTEM COMMITTEE OF AMANSIARA - please find attached the first complain letter send to the developer by the committee.

Yes, our main aim is to get the CF and be able to Claim LAD.

PHASE 1 OWNERS what we can do is to put up a complaint with the KEMENTERIAN PERUMAHAN & KERAJAAN TEMPATAN maybe they might work on it faster if they see so many houseowners complaining... well they also got quota to settle the enquiries that come in...

We will be going to the tribunal to go and make a complaint as well. below more details from web:

Tribunal Pembeli Rumah
1. Objective

The Tribunal for Homebuyer Claims provides an easier, cheaper and faster means of dispute resolution for homebuyers claiming compensation/damages from housing developers.

2. Jurisdiction
The Tribunal may hear claims from buyers on condition that:
a) A claim is filed no later than 12 months from the date of

i) issue of the Certificate of Fitness for Occupation (CFO) of the property; or
ii) the expiry date of the defect liability period as set out in the Sales and Purchase Agreement.

b) The Sales and Purchase Agreement involves housing accommodation built in a residential area.

c) Each claim does not exceed RM25,000 per cause of action unless

i) the claimant agrees to forgo the balance of the claim; or
ii) the acquiescence of the developer is obtained in writing for the matter to be heard at the Tribunal.

d) Sales and Purchase Agreements signed before 1 December 2002 can also be considered provided:

i) the claims fulfil the criteria stated above;
ii) they are not housing projects by a co-operative body or governmental agency.

3. Filing and Registration Procedure

The claimant may lodge his claim with the Tribunal in Form 1 (4 copies), enclosing his statement of claim and a fee of RM10. If there are two (2) names in the Sales and Purchase Agreement, both parties must put down their names, IC numbers and signatures in the claim form (Form 1). Both parties must attend the hearing, or if they are unable to attend, issue a letter authorising a representative to act on their behalf.
Once Form 1 has been filed, the claimant must personally serve a copy on the developer either by hand (receipt must be acknowledged) or by AR registered mail.
The developer may file his defence or counter-claim in Form 2 (4 copies) with a fee of RM10 within 14 days of the date of receiving a copy of Form 1.
The claimant may file his defence to the counter-claim in Form 3 with a fee of RM10.



4. Hearing Procedures

The Tribunal will issue a notice in Form 4 stating the date, venue and time of the hearing on both the claimant and the developer, in not less than 14 days before the date of the hearing.
No party shall be represented by an advocate and solicitor during a hearing before the Tribunal.
Both parties have the right to adduce evidence, call any witness, or tender any documents, records or things necessary in support of their respective claims.
At the hearing, the Tribunal shall, where appropriate, assist the parties to effect a settlement of the claim by consent (negotiation stage).
Upon completion of the hearing, the Tribunal will make an award.
The award must be complied with within the stipulated period set by the Tribunal’s President.
Any person who fails to comply with an award made by the Tribunal commits an offence and upon conviction shall be liable to a fine not exceeding five thousand ringgit (RM5,000) or to imprisonment not exceeding two (2) years or both. In the case of a continuing offence, the offender shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand ringgit (RM1,000) for each day until the award is abided by.
Overall Claims Procedure Flow Chart



5. List of Application Forms

Form 1 (Regulation 6) – Statement of Claim in the Tribunal for Homebuyer Claims
Form 2 (Regulation 10) – Statement of Defence and Counter-Claim in the Tribunal for Homebuyer Claims
Form 3 (Regulation 14) – Defence against Counter-Claim in the Tribunal for Homebuyer Claims



6. Further Information


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Secretary,
Tribunal For Home Buyers Claims
Ministry Of Housing & Local Goverment,
Level 2, Block B South,
Pusat Bandar Damansara,
50782 Kuala Lumpur.
Tel:
(Hotline)



Fax : 03-20934776

E-mail : tribunal@kpkt.gov.my

CHECK OUT THIS WEBSITE: http://nccc.org.my/index.php?option=com_co...id=54&Itemid=44

sorry forgot to attach the letter:




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Thank you.... itu kerja my hubby drafting drafting ini. Ok attachments: my s&p copy, handbook copy and pictures (attached)

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Added on March 17, 2009, 2:40 pmthe only thing i could think of is since the postbox is locked put brochures lah..... print out something and give them the contact details / forum address / etc to reply to.



This post has been edited by Shafary: Mar 17 2009, 02:40 PM


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[quote=kokiegigit,Mar 17 2009, 02:44 PM]

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Added on March 17, 2009, 2:40 pm
the only thing i could think of is since the postbox is locked put brochures lah..... print out something and give them the contact details / forum address / etc to reply to.

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Yes that one can work also. Since I am at Jalan 1/3 maybe I can cover along that road. The others maybe can cover your area. Hows that ?

Come to think of it again, how would people know there is something in their post box ? Maybe can put inside their house through the main door.

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Can Also.... expecially if they have collected key then the developer tak boleh masuklah by right... but u never know!!!!

Hi the brochure looks good... maybe wanna add in email address tak....

Oic.... cantik!!!!

Itu tau... sudah tukar already in the copies that were send out...

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Added on March 19, 2009, 1:53 pmHi Kokie,

Volunteer to put our numbers on the flyer....

Jeffary 016-6943517 jeffary.retnam@eds.com
Sharin 016-6943519 shafary@gmail.com



[COLOR=red]UPDATE FROM MR. TAN - Our District Councellor from Jeffary[COLOR=red]


Just Spoke to Mr Tan District counsellor, the updates are same with what was given by Liza MPS. They are actually requesting for Pindaan for the Houses behind our Row, and low toilets. There was also issues about the rubbish bins.

MPS has made some preliminary inspection and they have given the developer time to rectify. The developer needs to advise MPS, when the rectification can be made.

Tan, insisted that we should send out a 2nd letter before escalating this matter any further. Request for a face to face meeting. If the developer fails to comply in arranging a meeting with the house buyer, than we can use the ministry of housing to facilitate a meeting.

All the relevant parties such MPS, Developer and Engineer/architect must receive the complaint notice and the letter requesting for a face to face meeting.

Only than a meeting can be facilitated. You can update this on the web

He will not be able to make for the gathering this Sunday.


This post has been edited by Shafary: Mar 19 2009, 01:53 PM

Hei,

Sorry guys but something urgent came up and we both need to go outstation, won't be able to come for the gathering....

Sorry again.

Chou.

Oic, tak ada kah orang lain volunteer to put their contact details on the brochure... apa macam ini!!!!!

Well, as far as I know we did write a letter to them which we have yet to get a reply to or even a courtesy call from them... so what are they talking about....

when you have a developer + staff who is so sombong... what are we as buyers to do... sit and wait like some dungu's. what they thought we all are uneducated!!!!!

let them do what they are good at and we do what we have decided to do.... no turning back!!!! the developer has all our contact details they know who we are from this forum.. and our letter they can call us if they want.

enough is enough!!!!