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SODAP nampak sial!

Btw what happened to Andrew, our 320KG leg press champion?

My coach and I have this absolute HATE when people say "Hari ni, aku main chest"
HOH my god, my coach flipped one time this athlete said "Coach, hari ni nak main apa?"

You're training for a purpose. Play or "main" does not have a direct purpose or direction.
Also it makes you sound terribly "kampung"

Creatine seems to have different results on different people. Some people react within a week of creatine noticing good weight gains. I find them almost pointless. Another reason to have creatine for ADHD people, is because creatine is said to help hyperactive people focus. I don't know how true it is, but oh well...whatever. I'll take it.

Oh man.....let's see. IT depends on a few factors. Off the hand, I can remember;

- Bodytype
- Phase
- Goals
- Workout programming
- Injuries
- Nutrient deficiency

Depending on which phase you are, for example if you're in the strength phase. Some athletes with the meso bodytype cannot take excess protein'ey foods or they will gain weight in the form of muscle. In this case, to up recovery, we drop one meal, and replace that with a protein shake. Low calories and has BCAA, glutamine, essential amino acids. The key word here, isn't how much protein. It's simply, density.

The almost basic one which every weightlifter SHOULD have (but often, don't. It's a poor man's sport)

- HCA
- Protein powder (for recovery, and cuz of density)
- Creatine (It doesn't help me, but it could be the wrong type. I'll try another)
- Fish oil (Extremely important)
- Multivitamins (Some require 2x the amount of the average "serving" size because of recovery time and training intensity)
- Test (No seriously, if I could use test, I'd gladly do it. Decrease recovery time, increase capacity, strength. What's not to love?)

For locals, some in Sarawak, Sabah, Northern states of Malaysia, even use long jack. Tongkat ali'lah. The problem with tongkat ali is that it tastes, horribly bitter. I mean, it's truly the most bitter thing I've ever tasted. Think bittergourd? Multiply that by 7 or 8 times. You can't take the silly "in a packet" types. You gotta use the pure roots.

One point though, Western and Asian methods of supplements and recovery, are extremely different. You can clearly see which is the dominating force though. Don't forget, Russia IS in Asia. Depending on how you look at it, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, are also part of Asia.

I'd take 2 scoops post.

Pre workouts, you always want a quick available energy. Protein taxes your liver and stomach to breakdown the amino acids from the peptide bonds. Add that wit digesting the nutrients and the vitamins as well as BCAA, you get a body that has 40% of its focus on digesting food, and another 60% on training.

Why do you think runners, cyclists and trialathon runners almost never take a high protein meal the night before? Tour De Langkawi cyclists (France) use high carb foods and cakes like fruitcakes and raisins to ensure they have a steady stream of carbs for energy.

Same here. ESPECIALLY on heavy sets. It's very mental on heavy sets. Eg my max snatch grip deadlift is 170KG. My coach usually gets me to do 150KG for 5 triples. This, without needing to say is very tough...but if I keep resting between sets, I find myself breaking form and getting lazy. If I just "tahan" and pull pull pull, I find myself with more energy afterwards.

Would raising your first be a good idea?

You do know right? That between 30-45 minutes is where you test level peaks? Between 45 mins - 60 mins it just holds steady for a little while, and starts to decline.

That's why for weightlifters, we always break to twice a day training. (Some like Naim Suley, 7x a day) So we can go heavy and take advantage of the elevated testosterone levels for good heavy lifts. So it's best that as a bodybuilder, you probably might want to do the same.

I wonder what zeist has to say about abs like tha.t

I do think that Pro Complex might actually be a hyped up product.

It requires slightly more than twice the serving of a common whey protein. It has 4x the amount of sodium. It has a whole load of vitamins, BUT I can fix that up with a serving of multivitamins. (which would cost me about SGD25 [RM55] for 180 caps or 1 month supply. And at a much higher concentration too) Also, I'm not sure how your body will absorb all 60GMS of protein, especially since it's fast digesting protein (Unless you have HCL to go with it)

Taking GNC's price of about RM200+RM55 for multivitamins.....it'll be around RM255. That's still cheaper than the price at Ego nutritions for RM350. So personally, apart from taste, I'm not too sure if I'll want to join the Pro Complex bandwagon. Buy OEM protein. Tasteless and cheap.

Still, I'm a believer of food and less of supplements. My supps are only limited to HCL, creatine, whey protein, multivitamins and fish oil. HCL to ensure I get 95-100% digestion of my food. Creatine because my workouts are intense and I train twice a day. Whey, multivitamins to recover in time. Fish oil, to increase insulin sensitivity to fat and ensure that my body doesn't use muscles for energy.

As for your increase of 2KG, it could be your body finally getting a break, and having all the essential nutrients that it requires (I suggest you jot what you eat in the last 2 weeks) and thus gaining some muscle. I'm at 82KG now, while on the 5th day of my break. I start training, I'll drop back to 80 again.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Aug 21 2009, 11:48 AM

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Basically, it helps digest and breakdown protein from it's peptide bonds more efficiently. Especially people with low stomach acidity. 50% of people have low stomach acid. How do we tell ? Nausea from drinks and supps, burping and farting within an hour of a meal, bad breath, stinky stools (Your food is undigested, it turns rotten in your stomach, emitting gases) If you feel a burn in your stomach though, that's too much HCL. I usually take HCL after a heavy meal. This way, I can get nearly 100% digestion of my foods instead of having nearly 30% of it, wasted.

I'm not dissing it in my ignorance. I did do some reading about it when it first came out, to see what it was. These were some conclusions that altered my decision on purchasing it.

Your money's yours to spend, but this is a forum and lets all be allowed to state our thoughts without needing to resort to calling others penny-pinchers and ignorant. I do admit, that I do not know everything, and that my life is a constant learning journey, but I don't think one that desires to learn, needs to be called ignorant.

Yet, what are the benefits that you have found, using Pro Complex that you feel makes it superior to the common whey?

I know it's HCl but I hate it typed that way. It took me forever to figure what the final alphabet was.

The HCL dose depends. I noticed that I'm good with 1400G of HCL and after a few weeks, it gave me a stomach burn. So I dropped my dose slowly and now 700MG (2 capsules of 350) and I'm doing good. I finally got my 3KG weight increment so I'm standing at 81KG now from 78KG, and there's been no change in my diet. My mom's still stingy with my food, but I'm doing alright. I take 1 pill with my protein shakes, as it's much lighter. I find my piss....to be....lighter. No weird.....strong smell anymore. Myshit, doesn't actually stink that bad anymore.


I used to use Poliquin's HCl, but then I figured it was overpriced. Actually, just about everything on Poliquin's brands are overpriced. Solaray HCl. Cheap. Always find the cheapest supplements. Penny pinching, some may call it, but I figured paying 2x less for the same product, makes me a smart consumer. Others may beg to differ though.

Nope.

That was the question, so I just answered the question. There was no detailed explanation requests.

Anyway, I have to strongly disagree with your theory there.

When your body only has the capacity to breakdown 2000 calories, but you're consuming 4000 calories, the nutrients out of the other 2000 calories are gone. Calories come from nutrients. These nutrients, such as carbohydrates proteins fats vitamins minerals, are the ones that will make up for the calories. That's where HCl comes in.

If you HCl dosage is suitable, you can digest up to maybe 100% (Well....problem is, there's no such thing as 100% though. Heat will dissipate some of the nutrients already) and your body can absorb the nutrients better.

You can't expect a BURST of energy. You can however, expect less gas, smoother bowel movements, a clearer throat, better health. I'm serious. HCl isn't magic, and I don't know all the reasons it works, but it does.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Aug 22 2009, 07:46 PM

Human body : Capacity to digest only 2000 calories.

Ingest 4000 calories.

2000 calories wasted. Up to 6000 calories, 4000 calories wasted.

This is when HCL comes in.

Human body + HCL = Capacity to now digest 4000 cals

Intake 4000 cals

Complete digestion.

Hydrochloric Acid not HC1.

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This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Aug 22 2009, 08:24 PM

All this debate about creatine just makes me wonder one simple thing.

How do these researchers/guideline makers know that it's better to take it at that particular time?



I'd think so. Just look for how MG's per capsule. If you've already established your dosage requirement, then you can buy the higher ones like maybe 500-850MG/cap. However, there's a catch. Acid levels will increase with time with HCl. The problem here is if your dosage caps are too high, and your intake requirement now drops from 700-500 you're stuck with 640MG pills....you've 140MG in excess down there. That.....is a definite problem.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Aug 23 2009, 10:27 AM

Just maybe, depending on the current level of stomach acidity that you have. If you're already burning at optimal levels (unlikely) then no increase. If you're not, may happen.

Your fart and burp can actually give an idea of how well your digestion is. IF it smells like your food, only much rotten...that could be an indication of you probably needing to try HCl. G'luck if you want to experiment with it. If you get the "stomach acid burn" feeling, reduce your dosage.

IT costs about RM50 for a bottle that can last for 2 months. I'd take the investment.

Doctors, don't sell health. They sell drugs to "better" your health. I honestly think they're the wrong people to go to for absolute health discussions. Even my friend from Harvard admits that. He says that medical journals say massage and protein is the devil, but even he says you can ignore their ideas. After all, medical reports say that steroids doesn't help improve muscle and strength, until 1985. Steroids have been around since the 1930's. That's about a 50 year period of time, they took to figure something that bodybuilders and weightlifters have proven.

There's a saying; "Science, just goes further to prove what the coach already knows."