Nope. My sister already registered for both AS and A Level. Will upload the picture once I got the slip from her.

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Added on February 23, 2009, 6:48 pmIn fact, my sister do study hard for it. Actually the timing is basically 3 hours per subject per day. Total of 9 hours per day. We used to study more than that a day for 1 year during secondary school right? I mean for me morning class from 7.30 to afternoon 1.30 and continue tuition at Martin 3.00 to 6.00 and sometimes 7.00. Total up its somehow the same. Around 9 to 10 hours per day. Yeah, again depends on individual...

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Added on February 23, 2009, 6:51 pmWhat he said is true. Currently there are some IPTA accepting A Level but not all. Only some of them. This year start I guess because previously when I try cannot.

This post has been edited by dexterhau: Feb 23 2009, 06:51 PM

1 day need study how many hours? normal students can get A a not ...

you're one heck of a law student who doesn't have the simplest ability to understand sarcasm.
why would i bold serious grammar mistakes to promote a tuition centre?
stop generalizing law students, shame on you!

Roughly 1 day 9 hours.
Erm... Depends on how you define NORMAL.
Getting an A is depends on your determination, dedication and hardworking.
Ganbate...

If you have a good understanding and pay well attention during class then im sure you will be able to score..but if you're slacking during class and homeworks..then its really really hard to catch up...1 and half years class shorten to half a year..lots of effort require if u wanna score well as an average student

My bad...I didn't even notice....

I didn't spend much time reading about that(it's not worth reading )

Anyway, I'm sticking with my statement on law students...

I had a friend who have done pre-U in 6mth and it is disastrous...how does ppl do it in 6 mth??...really freak...

I do not understand why must you emphasize that he did not mention the words "Private Candidates". Any importance over the matter? First thing, he did not state that Intelligentzone is a College/University. Nothing wrong there.

Secondly, Program and Tuition are two different words, yes I agree with you. However, re-read the sentence again. In which part of the sentence did he specify the word "Program" with A levels? It is not an A level program but a program that is designed/conjured up by the centre to help students to complete their A levels within six months. Get it? Another thing, any layman could tell apart a proper College/University's website from Blogspot, unless of course, that person is blind.

Make it sound like some sort of college that offer A level course? Please, a college with blogspot address?

Frankly, you're out of your mind if you still want to differentiate the word "Course and Tuition". I see no important relevance here either.

Your previous post just talked about government recognition. Did you specify the term scholarship? Nope I don't see it at all. However if you must pursue the matter, so far government scholarships is a grey area for me. If you're talking about JPA, that I'm not sure. If you're talking about the Star Education Fund, I do not think they would mind if you have completed your A levels within a short duration, eg. 1~6months, as long as you completed them and scored good grades.

To exclude Private Candidates/Students who completed their A levels faster than the usual bunch from getting a scholarship would be unfair IMO. Both parties posses the same qualification, yet one is deemed unfit due to him/her being faster? Right...

The 360 hours of guided learning which was quote from the CIE Website is too not of high importance. 360 hours can only be applied on students who are taking up Full Time Classes in a proper institution. The 360 hours is just a recommended guideline. It doesn't make you eligible for a scholarship or recognition. You are not obligated to fulfil it. Understand?

The reason I state that this only applies to Full Time students is because Private Candidates (Your current favourite word) do not follow a set schedule for their studies. Who knows they could only have studied maybe 100hours? 200? Any below the recommended guideline or above it, your preference. Does this mean that their certificates they get awarded aren't recognised? Nope, it's recognised surely as with students who went through the full 1.5 year course.

And of course, you yourself have already stated the word "Should" have 360 hours of guided learning. It is not a must. Facts? I would call them recommended guidelines actually.

You're a law student and that's why you provide facts and proof? All I've seen you wrote up until now are mostly criticisms which hardly hold any water. Sure, most law students do not count as much as accountants or cashiers, that doesn't mean that if you don't care about mathematics/calculation then all/most of you do not care about it. But one thing is for sure, you don't care about it.

I got a question, what about lab work?

If he didn't mention the word "private candidates", indirectly, it shows that he is offering it as whole, as an official A level course.There is a great different between private candidates and a proper A level student.

As for my statement of him misleading others, let's take a look at this very "decent" piece of writing in the web of the center.



Firstly, if you are not a college/uni, don't make it sounds like you are.You are not offering them a certified A Level program.To be precise, you are giving them tuition in the way of an intensive program and guidance.

(Oh...Please, don't take up English if you happen to be interested to follow their program.Reason?Take a look on this http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=23913484 )

Secondly,it's tuition center.Not a college or uni, why the heck you use credit hours?Trying to con mislead others?


I believe I didn't mention about 360hours making us eligible for scholarship.Be it guidelines or rules, it doesn't matter.Fact, you should at least have 360hours of guided training in which I don't believe a 4month program like theirs will be able to provide.Why did I say 4 months?The intake is on January like mentioned by TS but obviously, you don't have classes during exam months, do you? May and June are the exam month.Again the information of TS is MISLEADING others once more .Frankly speaking 360hours in 4months, that will be roughly 90hours per month and 3 hours a day.Minus all the public holidays and weekends, how many days do you have left? Count yourself.


Which is why TS should have mention private candidates.Full time students and private candidates are different.Like you said, they don't have to follow the schedule nor do they have to follow the guide of 360hours.Again, the use of words like OFFERING CERTIFIED A LEVEL, CREDITS HOURS make it sound like those students who are going to register with them are full time students and not private candidates. Again, mislead.


Whether it is grey area to you, it doesnt matter to us, no? I believe none of us care much about that.Facts are, local authorities and bodies will follow the instructions of MOE to ensure the students they are giving out scholarships to fulfill the requirement of the MOE.Be it JPA scholarships or Star Education Fund or Petronas and others, they will look deep into the requirement of the educational background of the applicants for sure.Then again, this 9months rules of MOE is not applicable on private candidates.Keyword: private candidates. The reason why I m repeating private candidates is because, private candidates do not have to follow the rules of 9months long A Level course set by MOE.When TS failed to mention the word "private candidates" and used words like CREDITS HOURS and OFFERING CERTIFIED A LEVEL COURSE, that's already a DIFFERENT case from the original case TS wish to tell.


Well, is hard to get somebody agree with you all the time.My facts and proof might not be accepted by you then again, is there for the argument.As for your accuse claim of criticism, take a deep look why I have to resort to criticize? The information given by TS is full of errors.How the hell can you enter medic course or other courses in JUNE like mentioned by TS when you will only get your results months later?I never know that TS' center actually can get the result immediately after finishing the exam.Facts are, you finish the exam in mid june.How the hell you gonna start a new course immediately when you didnt even get your results?As for the calculating part, I don't see a need of us getting deep into this discussion when it's not relevant.Save your breath.No point discussing over it.Irrelevant.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Feb 24 2009, 12:57 AM

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong and wrong! Great difference between private candidates and full time students? The only difference here is that the former do not go for scheduled classes and the latter going for their scheduled classes. Other than that, both are taking the exact same qualification with no difference in quality nor qualification whatsoever. Do not stereotype between Private Candidates and Full Time students. Either way both are taking the exact same qualification and nobody should care about whether they WERE or WERE NOT Full time students.

Indirectly shows that he is offering it as a whole official A level course? Wrong. This is YOUR assumption. He is not offering the specially designed program. But Intelligentzone is, and where did you get the fact that he is an employee from the said centre? If I remember correctly, he said that his sister was studying there. He did not say that he is working for Intelligentzone. Just because the person to contact and his surname match doesn't mean they are the same person.

Again I repeat myself, any layman could tell apart a College/University's website from Blogger/Wordpress or whatever website you wish to insert here. The word "mislead" should only be used only IF an interested/potential individual contacts this Mr.Lim that was stated in the very first post of this thread and he STATES that they are a proper institution instead of a tuition centre. Until then, there is no misleading since in the so called "decent" writing you'd linked to didn't contain any misleading words. Just grammatically incorrect.

Why can't tuition centres use the word credit hours? Do the students themselves know the meaning of the word in the first place? Do you? Is is related to your case of government recognition? I do not think so. Have you heard of marketing? Do they not use words that the layman do not know?

You yourself admit that 360 hours of guided training is not an obligation. Therefore it is not an important matter at all whether they meet the 360 hours or not. You've studied contract am I right? This is just an ITT. Nothing illegal here. Why should you bother about this 360 hours? If you don't believe Intelligentzone can live up to it's claims in providing 360 hours of guided learning then it's your OPINION. As I've said, it's not an obligation to fulfil the 360 hours and whether or not Intelligentzone provides these 360 hours or not is nothing related to your concern of RECOGNITION. This is because if you've sat for the exam then you have sat for the exam. It's that simple really. What you get is a WORLDWIDE RECOGNISED certificate that is the SAME as what a full time student gets. Six months, four months, it don't matter at all to your current case.

The use of CERTIFIED A LEVEL and CREDIT HOURS make it sound like the students that register there are full time and not private candidates.
Your opinion only, people have different perspectives. Just because you think it makes it sound like a college doesn't mean that it is alright? And if you want to go further, sure there might be people like you. There's a reason for the invention of the telephone you know? Call and ask, is that so hard? A potential mislead is not a true mislead unless happened. All are regarded innocent unless proven guilty, I'm sure you know this phrase very well.

Whether it's a grey area to me or not it doesn't matter, yes. But these facts, are you sure they will check your education background down to the duration of your course? If this is true then you are freaking contradicting yourself. Why are the self proclaimed rules of yours from the MOE not applicable on Private Candidates? Both possess the same qualification. Just because you were a private candidate so you could be excused from this "must have 9 months duration of study" rule. Recheck the post of mine above, the eligibility that I quoted is from the Star Education Fund, if they were concerned about the duration of your course of study, they would have already written it down there. And before you say it could be a so-called hidden term/condition, do you not think that complaints could be heard by now? Since you like to provide proof to back yourself up, please do. I want to see the lines "At least nine months duration of study" and "Private candidates are excluded from this rule". And of course, it must be related to A levels yeah?

The error made by TS about Medical courses in June could be just human error. The TS isn't a medical student nor to my knowledge an education consultant, does every citizen of a country be obligated to know the intakes for medical courses? Heck maybe there are such courses. The possibility is there isn't it? Nothing of importance to the programme offered by Intelligentzone.

The point is, when you wrote stating that all of this is irrelevant, what you are referring to is yourself. Read the posts you have written and tell me, was there such a need for arrogant accusations claiming that the TS is trying to con people or mislead. The only errors I see from the details provided over at the blog are spelling mistakes and incorrect usage of english grammar. That and the lack of information regarding the offered programme. This is why you have the phone/email/address provided at the first page of the thread.

In the end there was no need for your intervention in the first place. I just found you arrogant and a showoff just because you're studying law and you think you could just bombard somebody and accuse him of misleading others when he didn't in the first place.

If you still don't get what the TS wants, here's a shorter summary for you.

The purpose of this thread is to promote a six months programmed conjured up by Intelligentzone for the A levels examination.

The target audience?

Interested potential students who wish to complete their A levels qualification in the shortest amount of time

That is all there is to it. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want more information, you should have called to ask if you WERE that concerned.

Sure potential fraud/trickery is a possibility, however it is potential. Do not jump to conclusions. You are no fortune teller, you're just a normal human being.

CIE board will be crying like hell if they foundnd out that their courses are being deviated and turned into rote-learning type of courses in malaysia....

JPA scholarships are only for SPM students of the preceding year. Seriously, private scholarship providers do not really care if you have done your A-level alone or with an institution, as long as you have the grades and a spot in the appropriate program at a good university, you would be shortlisted.

A-level is A-level is A-level, Some people can do it in a week, some in a year, some, two years. So what is this talk about recognition and all?

i wonder if ffrulz and solstice are going to retype all their arguments!

Those posts already vanished in the air



Lesson: Always screenshot your posts...Who knows when is the next database crash

Thank you for that post above, ffrulz. =) Arguably the most intelligent and factually sound post in this topic. Said everything I wanted to say in reply. If some people could just swallow their pride when corrected, maybe none of this would have happened.

Feynman, the recognition discussion stemmed from a misunderstanding. The topic creator made this topic to bring attention to a tuition center that prepares students for A levels in 6 months, though they are to register as private candidates. It is not an actual college or university college, and so does not have to adhere to MOE's guidelines of offering guided learning for a certain period of time.

What happened was that the user solstice818 brought up a very valid and good point about the validity of the institution [with reasoning of recognition of MOE], I mean, everyone would naturally be suspicious of something that's too good to be true, especially when it comes to potentially bogus educational institutions nowadays, so I honestly can't blame her in this respect.

However, it was all based on the assumption that it was a college, despite the fact that there was no mention of it whatsoever in the starting post, and then when the topic creator provided further explanation about why the six months thing wasn't "illegal" and corrected her assumption, she accused the topic creator of "misleading others". Everything went downhill from there. Granted, the topic creator was also partly at fault for not offering clarification earlier when the first "attack" began, and he could have handled the initial argument a lot better, but it appears that the argument has gone a lot further anyway.

Seriously, take a chill pill, guys. It was all just a misunderstanding. Suck it up. Some of you [yes, some, not one] were wrong, and when corrected, just admit you were wrong and make amends. Topic creator, maybe the whining would stop if you edit your post to make it clearer that it's a tuition center, even though to me, it was quite obvious from the beginning.

Oh, and by the way, AS and A2 are two extremely different papers. XD Regardless of what the "title" on the paper says. Your senior might have chosen to take both papers in one go [or maybe he/she was retaking AS at the same time as his/her A2 to boost the AS score], that might explain some confusion.

P.S. I'm also doing Law and I found the Law students not being mathematically-inclined statement pretty funny too. XP

This post has been edited by Glassy: Feb 25 2009, 04:14 PM

hello..onimusha..may i know private candidates can sit for bio,chem and maths for A level?i intend to do so..but according to the webpage of british council...it is stated that private candidates are not allowed to take the subjects that contain coursework or practical components...oh my god...any opinion?

Pls explain hw it works. PM. thanx

A-levels in 6 months? Are you kidding me? Anyone went for this programme?

Tat fast is reli unbelievable