You failed to spot that he didn't state College or University as well. FYI 6 months to complete A levels is possible and it is indeed a recognised certificate. However do bear in mind the local universities do not accept A levels, whether 6 months or the full 1.5/2 years as far as I know. Maybe they make exceptions, maybe not but usually no. STPM is what you need to get into the Degree courses in local Unis and SPM for Diploma but I guess you know about that already.

Also, another thing is that, even though this Intellizone place isn't a full fledge college or uni, I am studying in a small college in JB and my seniors completed their A levels in 6 months. Although this isn't generally encouraged due to the workload but it IS possible. Register for the exam, study and sit for it. That's how it is. Private candidate or not, as long you're studying for the exam, you're a student. Oh and FYI, I already took and completed my A levels in ten months.

MOE recognised or not it doesn't matter for Pre-Uni qualifications. You'll not get into local universities but then even if you were aiming for local unis, why bother with A levels? There's the cheaper alternative of STPM isn't there? Recognition is much more important towards Diplomas and Degrees as you'll be using them instead during job applications.

You're a law student, yet you fail to find out in depth about the facts before criticizing others. Word play is common in law, he didn't state college/university and you assumed it to be the other way. Knowing the law doesn't mean you've automatically become all omniscient. Just because you are a law student, all the more reason you should be mindful of such matters and not blabber around that you're a law student just because you don't care about calculation.

You don't care about mathematics doesn't generalise that ALL law students don't care about it.

1) This is something new to me as I do not really update myself concerning the local institution matters. I have nothing to say about this, I did state that it was as far as I knew. And I'm sure it's news to some other people as well.

2) The issue of whether the individual's A levels being recognised by MOE or not isn't an issue if you want to further your studies in Malaysia. In fact the only problem I can see from that is that the individual won't be able to get into local universities. Private institutions in Malaysia only care whether you meet their minimum criteria (3 Principals or Credits in related subjects most of the time). But as I've said, if the individual wanted to go for local universities, that person might as well opt for STPM instead. And the reason I stated about my completion of A levels is just for solstice's information just in case she says something related about it, nothing relevant I know; just a FYI.

3) The usual bunch of students opting for A levels do not apply to local universities but instead other private institutions/overseas. However, I have not come across your case before where A levels can be used to apply for local universities. This is related to point #1. How long have they been doing this, I have no idea either. It's latest news for me.

4) To calculate is to count, either way in solstice's statement, the word calculate, however you interpret it; it will still lead to the meaning of calculating in numbers. Reread her statement. The way she puts it is as if just because she's a law student, she's automatically categorised into the no mathematics person. However this is not entirely true don't you think? It's like saying students of law will become lawyers, which of course, is not true. Some become legal consultants and some go into another field that's not really related to law.

The amount of papers depends on the subject itself, eg. Accounting 4 papers (2 for AS and 2 for A2), Economics 4 papers as well. So it will be 16 papers at one go if you sit for 4 subjects and each of them 4 papers. General Paper only has AS and Business Studies only has 3 papers (2 for AS and 1 for A2).

EDIT: Besides, I think we've gone far enough with the offtopic.

This post has been edited by ffrulz: Feb 23 2009, 04:37 PM

I do not understand why must you emphasize that he did not mention the words "Private Candidates". Any importance over the matter? First thing, he did not state that Intelligentzone is a College/University. Nothing wrong there.

Secondly, Program and Tuition are two different words, yes I agree with you. However, re-read the sentence again. In which part of the sentence did he specify the word "Program" with A levels? It is not an A level program but a program that is designed/conjured up by the centre to help students to complete their A levels within six months. Get it? Another thing, any layman could tell apart a proper College/University's website from Blogspot, unless of course, that person is blind.

Make it sound like some sort of college that offer A level course? Please, a college with blogspot address?

Frankly, you're out of your mind if you still want to differentiate the word "Course and Tuition". I see no important relevance here either.

Your previous post just talked about government recognition. Did you specify the term scholarship? Nope I don't see it at all. However if you must pursue the matter, so far government scholarships is a grey area for me. If you're talking about JPA, that I'm not sure. If you're talking about the Star Education Fund, I do not think they would mind if you have completed your A levels within a short duration, eg. 1~6months, as long as you completed them and scored good grades.

To exclude Private Candidates/Students who completed their A levels faster than the usual bunch from getting a scholarship would be unfair IMO. Both parties posses the same qualification, yet one is deemed unfit due to him/her being faster? Right...

The 360 hours of guided learning which was quote from the CIE Website is too not of high importance. 360 hours can only be applied on students who are taking up Full Time Classes in a proper institution. The 360 hours is just a recommended guideline. It doesn't make you eligible for a scholarship or recognition. You are not obligated to fulfil it. Understand?

The reason I state that this only applies to Full Time students is because Private Candidates (Your current favourite word) do not follow a set schedule for their studies. Who knows they could only have studied maybe 100hours? 200? Any below the recommended guideline or above it, your preference. Does this mean that their certificates they get awarded aren't recognised? Nope, it's recognised surely as with students who went through the full 1.5 year course.

And of course, you yourself have already stated the word "Should" have 360 hours of guided learning. It is not a must. Facts? I would call them recommended guidelines actually.

You're a law student and that's why you provide facts and proof? All I've seen you wrote up until now are mostly criticisms which hardly hold any water. Sure, most law students do not count as much as accountants or cashiers, that doesn't mean that if you don't care about mathematics/calculation then all/most of you do not care about it. But one thing is for sure, you don't care about it.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong and wrong! Great difference between private candidates and full time students? The only difference here is that the former do not go for scheduled classes and the latter going for their scheduled classes. Other than that, both are taking the exact same qualification with no difference in quality nor qualification whatsoever. Do not stereotype between Private Candidates and Full Time students. Either way both are taking the exact same qualification and nobody should care about whether they WERE or WERE NOT Full time students.

Indirectly shows that he is offering it as a whole official A level course? Wrong. This is YOUR assumption. He is not offering the specially designed program. But Intelligentzone is, and where did you get the fact that he is an employee from the said centre? If I remember correctly, he said that his sister was studying there. He did not say that he is working for Intelligentzone. Just because the person to contact and his surname match doesn't mean they are the same person.

Again I repeat myself, any layman could tell apart a College/University's website from Blogger/Wordpress or whatever website you wish to insert here. The word "mislead" should only be used only IF an interested/potential individual contacts this Mr.Lim that was stated in the very first post of this thread and he STATES that they are a proper institution instead of a tuition centre. Until then, there is no misleading since in the so called "decent" writing you'd linked to didn't contain any misleading words. Just grammatically incorrect.

Why can't tuition centres use the word credit hours? Do the students themselves know the meaning of the word in the first place? Do you? Is is related to your case of government recognition? I do not think so. Have you heard of marketing? Do they not use words that the layman do not know?

You yourself admit that 360 hours of guided training is not an obligation. Therefore it is not an important matter at all whether they meet the 360 hours or not. You've studied contract am I right? This is just an ITT. Nothing illegal here. Why should you bother about this 360 hours? If you don't believe Intelligentzone can live up to it's claims in providing 360 hours of guided learning then it's your OPINION. As I've said, it's not an obligation to fulfil the 360 hours and whether or not Intelligentzone provides these 360 hours or not is nothing related to your concern of RECOGNITION. This is because if you've sat for the exam then you have sat for the exam. It's that simple really. What you get is a WORLDWIDE RECOGNISED certificate that is the SAME as what a full time student gets. Six months, four months, it don't matter at all to your current case.

The use of CERTIFIED A LEVEL and CREDIT HOURS make it sound like the students that register there are full time and not private candidates.
Your opinion only, people have different perspectives. Just because you think it makes it sound like a college doesn't mean that it is alright? And if you want to go further, sure there might be people like you. There's a reason for the invention of the telephone you know? Call and ask, is that so hard? A potential mislead is not a true mislead unless happened. All are regarded innocent unless proven guilty, I'm sure you know this phrase very well.

Whether it's a grey area to me or not it doesn't matter, yes. But these facts, are you sure they will check your education background down to the duration of your course? If this is true then you are freaking contradicting yourself. Why are the self proclaimed rules of yours from the MOE not applicable on Private Candidates? Both possess the same qualification. Just because you were a private candidate so you could be excused from this "must have 9 months duration of study" rule. Recheck the post of mine above, the eligibility that I quoted is from the Star Education Fund, if they were concerned about the duration of your course of study, they would have already written it down there. And before you say it could be a so-called hidden term/condition, do you not think that complaints could be heard by now? Since you like to provide proof to back yourself up, please do. I want to see the lines "At least nine months duration of study" and "Private candidates are excluded from this rule". And of course, it must be related to A levels yeah?

The error made by TS about Medical courses in June could be just human error. The TS isn't a medical student nor to my knowledge an education consultant, does every citizen of a country be obligated to know the intakes for medical courses? Heck maybe there are such courses. The possibility is there isn't it? Nothing of importance to the programme offered by Intelligentzone.

The point is, when you wrote stating that all of this is irrelevant, what you are referring to is yourself. Read the posts you have written and tell me, was there such a need for arrogant accusations claiming that the TS is trying to con people or mislead. The only errors I see from the details provided over at the blog are spelling mistakes and incorrect usage of english grammar. That and the lack of information regarding the offered programme. This is why you have the phone/email/address provided at the first page of the thread.

In the end there was no need for your intervention in the first place. I just found you arrogant and a showoff just because you're studying law and you think you could just bombard somebody and accuse him of misleading others when he didn't in the first place.

If you still don't get what the TS wants, here's a shorter summary for you.

The purpose of this thread is to promote a six months programmed conjured up by Intelligentzone for the A levels examination.

The target audience?

Interested potential students who wish to complete their A levels qualification in the shortest amount of time

That is all there is to it. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want more information, you should have called to ask if you WERE that concerned.

Sure potential fraud/trickery is a possibility, however it is potential. Do not jump to conclusions. You are no fortune teller, you're just a normal human being.