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University A Level in 6 Months, Not kidding. A centre starts to do that.

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solstice818
post Feb 22 2009, 07:49 PM

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No offense. The center do it doesn't mean MOE recognize it.MOE stressed that A level must be at least 9months long.No point taking it if in the end MOE don't recognize, no?
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post Feb 22 2009, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(onimusha_m16 @ Feb 22 2009, 07:58 PM)
It doesnt matter if MOE doesnt recognize it. The cert is awarded by the Cambridge exam board, not our MOE. A lot of students are taking A-level as private candidates.
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Well, true that the cert is awarded by Cambridge exam board but will the local private unis and colleges accept it?Plus, if you are planning to work in malaysia, recognization is important.

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post Feb 22 2009, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(onimusha_m16 @ Feb 22 2009, 08:31 PM)
You are right but A-level is just a pre-university qualification to enter degree course. Nobody would use a pre-u qualification to apply for jobs. As long as the degree is recognized, working in Malaysia is not a problem. I doubt private universities and colleges wont accept this, even the prestigious NUS and NTU of Singapore accept this qualification.
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I'm not saying that someone will use A level cert to apply for jobs.But for scholarships application and interview, will this not affected?

Example:

So, when someone interview you where you get your A level? Oh " intelligent zone" and where the heck is that? I can't even find that on MOE web. shocking.gif

First impression on the interview side will be, hmm, is this guy's result is recognized by MOE?If it's not, erm, should we give him/her the scholarship? What if we give him and turned out his cert is not recognized?In the end, will it affect the chance of you getting scholarship?


MOE stressed that 9 months is the least a college/institute should have for their A level course.Unless someone can find out that MOE approve this, or else, it will be risky to take on that, no?

Plus, intelligent zone doesnt even have a decent website.All they have is a blog? doh.gif


P.s:I'm not here to bash but is this a registered institution?Is this safe? If it's not, I don't see the need of spreading it around and mislead others.
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post Feb 22 2009, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(dexterhau @ Feb 22 2009, 11:12 PM)
First, as a interviewer, will they ask where you took your A Level instead of Degree? =.=' For your information, the real world won't care about your education background because that is first stage of filter. When you are being called for the an interview, they are testing your social skills and ability in presenting yourself. No everyone only focus on branding ok? A Levels must from a reputable University then only can so called A LEVELS. =.='

To make things clear, I rather say it like that, Intelligent Zone is a place for all private candidate gather around and have discussion about their studies with a guidance from a lecturer. It is not something like what you guys did in the University. Remember, the students here are taking as private candidate and in an intensive way of studies.

Intelligent Zone have not gone to the website area. Not everyone is familiar with website thingy ok? Give them time and allow them to improve since they are still new. Everything deserve to have their first time. OK?

Intelligent Zone is a registered institution. You can check in the Government website.

In order for you to see it is safe or not, you guys are always welcome to come and have a look at the centre and talk with their coordinator or lecturer.

Please, solstice818, the word mislead is annoying me. Please provide strong evidence before saying so. It is unfair for you to do so before even really get in to it.

For further information, you can always call 016-2099638 for more information. Thanks.
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Since you went for personal attack in another thread, I see no purpose in talking nicely to you then.

My conclusion, you have 2 problems.Blind and cant understand simple English.

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First, as a interviewer, will they ask where you took your A Level instead of Degree?

I said interviews for applications of Scholarships.Blind or you can't understand simple English?In other words, I m saying interview for scholarships for degree.

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For your information, the real world won't care about your education background because that is first stage of filter.When you are being called for the an interview, they are testing your social skills and ability in presenting yourself

That's bullshit.Are you saying that even if you failed all your education in your whole life, they don't give a damn and will still hire you?Then, what's the purpose of government offering JPA scholarship for those who get straight A's ?Why don't they offer to everyone if the real world dont care about your education background? laugh.gif doh.gif

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Intelligent Zone is a registered institution. You can check in the Government website.

http://intelligentzone.edu.my ----> 404 not found
As far as I know, colleges and unis that registered under MOE have their own website ended with Edu.MY.

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Please, solstice818, the word mislead is annoying me.


I guess you are really blind.

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 22 2009, 08:44 PM)

Is this safe? If it's not, I don't see the need of spreading it around and mislead others.


I said if.And seriously, I don't care much about whether it annoys you or not.If you cant understand simple word like "IF", please go ahead and check on oxford dictionary.

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Please provide strong evidence before saying so


Strong evidence? It's mentioned that A level courses must at least be 9 months old.And who the heck in this world can prove that the one intelligent zone providing is legal and approved by MOE?

Tell us...

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post Feb 23 2009, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(onimusha_m16 @ Feb 23 2009, 12:02 AM)
I would like to know when did MOE mention that A-level program duration must be at least 9 months. I cant find anything about that on MOE's website.
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That's what they told me when I called them.You can do the same.

All you have to do is, contact them and ask.

Address:
Bahagian Teknologi Pendidikan
Kementerian Pelajaran Malaysia
Pesiaran Bukit Kiara
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Email:btp@moe.edu.my


Phone:603-2098 7788


Phone: 603-2092 3763


I see no point in blind defending.Blind defending for the purpose of promoting especially.If 6months is allowed, every single college in Malaysia(or those in others countries) will be providing this type of short courses by now.
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post Feb 23 2009, 01:06 AM

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Cambridge International A Levels typically take two years to complete and offer a flexible course of study that gives students the freedom to select subjects that are right for them.


Quote from CIE official web.

http://www.cie.org.uk/qualifications/acade...uppersec/alevel

Will they even approve 6months A level? Is a big question mark there.
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post Feb 23 2009, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(dexterhau @ Feb 23 2009, 01:21 AM)
Same goes to you... Blind and cant understand simple English.
Come on. You never read the word... "FIRST STAGE OF FILTER". Interview will be the second stage. Please do take note of that. I am one of the scholar as well. I know it.
Do you see any "COLLEGE" and "UNIVERSITY" in the institution name? Still dare to say me blind. Normal tuition centre also need .edu.my? Nonsense.
You know the word TYPICALLY? Go check dictionary la. TYPICALLY not equal to MUST!!!


Added on February 23, 2009, 1:22 am

I see that you are the person who can think wisely here. You are great man.
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1st, if this is tuition center, make it clear. Your thread title said " A level in 6 months" making other to think that your center acts as a college/uni to OFFER other 6month course.Do remember, tuition and course is 2 different things.

2nd, I purposely highlighted the word typically.Thus, I can see it clearly.Anyway, quoted again from CIE site

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A Level examinations are usually taken after 13 years of education and are based on approximately 360 hours of guided learning


360hours.I don't think 6months can cover that...Erm, 6hours a day? laugh.gif



I found this funny when you only come to agree to people that support your tuition center (ops, I said it out). Come to think of it, who knows whether this will do wonder?Even if your centre are certified, you are merely 23years old.Do you have the qualification to teach students?

Private candidates or not? It doesnt matter.The course SHOULD be conducted in 9months.Just because it's your tuition center making it 6, doesnt mean it's legally recognized.And you are making it sound like A level is approved to be done in 6 months.Indirectly, you are sending out wrong message and what then? Other trying to finish A level in one month? One week? Funny. doh.gif


Added on February 23, 2009, 1:30 am
QUOTE(onimusha_m16 @ Feb 23 2009, 01:25 AM)
You cant blame her for that. I dun think she knows about A-level examinations well.
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Yea.I don't know it well because I already passed with flying colours years ago...Correct...You are right...You are the only one know it well then... biggrin.gif


Added on February 23, 2009, 1:36 am
QUOTE(onimusha_m16 @ Feb 23 2009, 01:17 AM)
Things are different when the students take A-level as private candidates. I know a person who studied A-level himself within 6 months after his SPM and sit for the exam on June. British Council did not ask for any past academic qualification. He is doing fine in UK now. Btw, I think the certificate of A-level doesnt state which institution did you attend.

I assume Intelligent Zone works as a tuition centre for students to learn the syllabus of the subjects. The students would need to apply for the exam through British Council as private candidates themselves. Basically, it doesnt matter if the institution is not recognized. If British Council in Malaysia is allowed to provide examinations to private candidates, the qualifications come from the exams are obviously recognized in Malaysia. I believe universities/colleges that provide A-level are inspected by British Council before they could provide it. British Council holds every rights in providing A-level examinations here. Those universities/colleges dont receive the exam papers directly from CIE, British Council distributes to them.
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From the 1st post until the last post, TS never even mention private candidates before.Plus, his posts make it sound like a course more than a tuition.What a way of MISLEAD others.

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QUOTE(dexterhau @ Feb 23 2009, 01:38 AM)
Found another problem. No maths base. Still say pass with flying color. I think it should be coloring contest.
That is what you think. Let do some maths here. 1 month = 30 days, 6 months = 30 X 6 = 180 days, 360 hours divide by 180 days = 2 hours per day. =.='
In other words, 1 month cover 60 hours, mean 1 week is 15 hours and one day is 3 hours.
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I m saying 6 hours because I dont think anyone want 7 day long classes. Even a tuition center will take a rest.


Plus, I m not so free like you to take calculator out to calculate.I have better things to do.And for your information, I'm a law student.I don't take maths and of course I don't care much about calculating. laugh.gif

From the beginning, your posts are misleading the others.You are just promoting your own tuition center and defending your center for your own sake.Money comes 1st and other people's future, you don't seem like care. You made it sound like that's a college offering the course at 6months(a cut-length A level compared to others) but you failed to mention it's a tuition center until few posts later.Your thread title also mislead others.And you NEVER mention private candidates for god sake.
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post Feb 23 2009, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(sayplease @ Feb 23 2009, 04:39 PM)
from http://intelligentzone.blogspot.com..

" Yes, your eye have no problem at all. We do offer you a certified A Level Education in just half a year time. As you can see, most of the universities around the world that offer A Level Education takes up a minimum 1.5 YEAR to complete an A Level Education which is considered a waste of time MOST of the time.

Why others have to spend up to 1.5 Years to finish A Level Education? This is rather simpler. For example, normally you are being instructed by the colleges or universities to take up only maximum 12 to 15 credit hour per semester (half a year). Average per day you only study up to 2 go 3 hours per day. In fact, you might not even have 3 hours full where there are rest time and breaks between it. In this case, it is surely a waste of time. One day you have almost 12 hours for your daily activities and you only used up 3 hours to study in class? What about the rest of the time? Sleep? Eat? Surfing the net? Gaming? THEY ARE ALL WASTING OF TIME.

What we offered here is different. Minimum 4 to 5 credits hour per day you have to study in class for A Level Education. Most of the students will surely deny this statement because everyone do not like to study so HARD. However, please think in dept whether is it worth it to study HARD now then later. Our intensive course will allow you to enter to the society early than others and you are able to gain more than 1 year experience more compared to the others. You see the benifits here? Everything we planned here is for you to be ahead than others who choose to be ordinary.

Therefore, we hope that you are not the ordinary one and able to make a smart choice to excel yourself in a faster pace and advance yourself in just 6 MONTHS time. For more information, you can always contact us here.  "

YES, MY EYE HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALLrclxms.gif
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Joined today to promote own tuition center, eh?

I hope your eyes have no problem reading this.

QUOTE(dexterhau @ Feb 22 2009, 05:34 PM)
Guys and Girls,

For those who are excellent in studies and do not wish to be slowpoke. Please visit this website: Intelligent Zone

This is a special design program in such a way that allow good students to proceed their A Level studies right after SPM and continue Medical studies and Pharmacy on Jun or other course as well.

You guys must be well disciplined and able to work hard.

For more information, please contact:-

Name: Mr. Lim
Contact Number: +6016-2099638
Intelligent Zone Office: +603-91021188
Address: No. 8, Jalan 14/144A Taman Bukit Cheras 56000 Kuala Lumpur

FOR MORE INFORMATION, PLEASE CLICK HERE!!!!
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The A level exam is on May/June.How could you possibly enter medical studies and other courses when that particular time, you are having your exam and your result will only come out months later(normally around 2 months)

From the start, the post itself already TRY to con mislead others. I hope you don't have eyes problem when reading this. laugh.gif


Added on February 23, 2009, 6:06 pm
QUOTE(ffrulz @ Feb 23 2009, 05:48 AM)
You failed to spot that he didn't state College or University as well. FYI 6 months to complete A levels is possible and it is indeed a recognised certificate. However do bear in mind the local universities do not accept A levels, whether 6 months or the full 1.5/2 years as far as I know. Maybe they make exceptions, maybe not but usually no. STPM is what you need to get into the Degree courses in local Unis and SPM for Diploma but I guess you know about that already.

Also, another thing is that, even though this Intellizone place isn't a full fledge college or uni, I am studying in a small college in JB and my seniors completed their A levels in 6 months. Although this isn't generally encouraged due to the workload but it IS possible. Register for the exam, study and sit for it. That's how it is. Private candidate or not, as long you're studying for the exam, you're a student. Oh and FYI, I already took and completed my A levels in ten months.

MOE recognised or not it doesn't matter for Pre-Uni qualifications. You'll not get into local universities but then even if you were aiming for local unis, why bother with A levels? There's the cheaper alternative of STPM isn't there? Recognition is much more important towards Diplomas and Degrees as you'll be using them instead during job applications.

You're a law student, yet you fail to find out in depth about the facts before criticizing others. Word play is common in law, he didn't state college/university and you assumed it to be the other way. Knowing the law doesn't mean you've automatically become all omniscient. Just because you are a law student, all the more reason you should be mindful of such matters and not blabber around that you're a law student just because you don't care about calculation.

You don't care about mathematics doesn't generalise that ALL law students don't care about it.
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Is true that he did fail to mention that it is a college/uni.But his post, from the 1st to the last, he failed to mention it's for private candidates.Also, he put in the word "program" instead of "tuition".The way he put it sounds like his center is some sort of colleges that offer A LEVEL COURSE.Keyword, course. Course and tuition are two different things.In this case, he is saying tuition for private candidates(yes, he again, failed to mention this).

6months A Level is possible.Even if you wanna take it in a month, you can.But, will all this affect your chance of getting scholarships offered by local bodies /government.Keyword: scholarship.Under the rules of MOE, 9months is the least.Under CIE exam board, you should at least have 360 hours of guided training.These are facts.You can't deny it.

I'm a law student which is why I backs every single things I said with facts and proof.I even provided the number of MOE in previous posts.And practically, let me tell you this, law students(mostly) don't care much about maths.

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QUOTE(sayplease @ Feb 23 2009, 07:36 PM)
you're one heck of a law student who doesn't have the simplest ability to understand sarcasm.
why would i bold serious grammar mistakes to promote a tuition centre?
stop generalizing law students, shame on you!
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My bad...I didn't even notice.... laugh.gif

I didn't spend much time reading about that(it's not worth reading tongue.gif)

Anyway, I'm sticking with my statement on law students... smile.gif
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QUOTE(ffrulz @ Feb 24 2009, 12:07 AM)
I do not understand why must you emphasize that he did not mention the words "Private Candidates". Any importance over the matter? First thing, he did not state that Intelligentzone is a College/University. Nothing wrong there.

Secondly, Program and Tuition are two different words, yes I agree with you. However, re-read the sentence again. In which part of the sentence did he specify the word "Program" with A levels? It is not an A level program but a program that is designed/conjured up by the centre to help students to complete their A levels within six months. Get it? Another thing, any layman could tell apart a proper College/University's website from Blogspot, unless of course, that person is blind.

Make it sound like some sort of college that offer A level course? Please, a college with blogspot address?

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If he didn't mention the word "private candidates", indirectly, it shows that he is offering it as whole, as an official A level course.There is a great different between private candidates and a proper A level student.

As for my statement of him misleading others, let's take a look at this very "decent" piece of writing in the web of the center.

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" Yes, your eye have no problem at all. We do offer you a certified A Level Education in just half a year time. As you can see, most of the universities around the world that offer A Level Education takes up a minimum 1.5 YEAR to complete an A Level Education which is considered a waste of time MOST of the time.

Why others have to spend up to 1.5 Years to finish A Level Education? This is rather simpler. For example, normally you are being instructed by the colleges or universities to take up only maximum 12 to 15 credit hour per semester (half a year). Average per day you only study up to 2 go 3 hours per day. In fact, you might not even have 3 hours full where there are rest time and breaks between it. In this case, it is surely a waste of time. One day you have almost 12 hours for your daily activities and you only used up 3 hours to study in class? What about the rest of the time? Sleep? Eat? Surfing the net? Gaming? THEY ARE ALL WASTING OF TIME.

What we offered here is different. Minimum 4 to 5 credits hour per day you have to study in class for A Level Education. Most of the students will surely deny this statement because everyone do not like to study so HARD. However, please think in dept whether is it worth it to study HARD now then later. Our intensive course will allow you to enter to the society early than others and you are able to gain more than 1 year experience more compared to the others. You see the benifits here? Everything we planned here is for you to be ahead than others who choose to be ordinary.

Therefore, we hope that you are not the ordinary one and able to make a smart choice to excel yourself in a faster pace and advance yourself in just 6 MONTHS time. For more information, you can always contact us here. "


Firstly, if you are not a college/uni, don't make it sounds like you are.You are not offering them a certified A Level program.To be precise, you are giving them tuition in the way of an intensive program and guidance.

(Oh...Please, don't take up English if you happen to be interested to follow their program.Reason?Take a look on this http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=23913484 )

Secondly,it's tuition center.Not a college or uni, why the heck you use credit hours?Trying to con mislead others? shocking.gif

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The 360 hours of guided learning which was quote from the CIE Website is too not of high importance. 360 hours can only be applied on students who are taking up Full Time Classes in a proper institution. The 360 hours is just a recommended guideline. It doesn't make you eligible for a scholarship or recognition. You are not obligated to fulfil it. Understand?

I believe I didn't mention about 360hours making us eligible for scholarship.Be it guidelines or rules, it doesn't matter.Fact, you should at least have 360hours of guided training in which I don't believe a 4month program like theirs will be able to provide.Why did I say 4 months?The intake is on January like mentioned by TS but obviously, you don't have classes during exam months, do you? May and June are the exam month.Again the information of TS is MISLEADING others once more .Frankly speaking 360hours in 4months, that will be roughly 90hours per month and 3 hours a day.Minus all the public holidays and weekends, how many days do you have left? Count yourself.

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The reason I state that this only applies to Full Time students is because Private Candidates (Your current favourite word) do not follow a set schedule for their studies. Who knows they could only have studied maybe 100hours? 200? Any below the recommended guideline or above it, your preference. Does this mean that their certificates they get awarded aren't recognised? Nope, it's recognised surely as with students who went through the full 1.5 year course.

Which is why TS should have mention private candidates.Full time students and private candidates are different.Like you said, they don't have to follow the schedule nor do they have to follow the guide of 360hours.Again, the use of words like OFFERING CERTIFIED A LEVEL, CREDITS HOURS make it sound like those students who are going to register with them are full time students and not private candidates. Again, mislead.

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Your previous post just talked about government recognition. Did you specify the term scholarship? Nope I don't see it at all. However if you must pursue the matter, so far government scholarships is a grey area for me. If you're talking about JPA, that I'm not sure. If you're talking about the Star Education Fund, I do not think they would mind if you have completed your A levels within a short duration, eg. 1~6months, as long as you completed them and scored good grades.

Whether it is grey area to you, it doesnt matter to us, no? I believe none of us care much about that.Facts are, local authorities and bodies will follow the instructions of MOE to ensure the students they are giving out scholarships to fulfill the requirement of the MOE.Be it JPA scholarships or Star Education Fund or Petronas and others, they will look deep into the requirement of the educational background of the applicants for sure.Then again, this 9months rules of MOE is not applicable on private candidates.Keyword: private candidates. The reason why I m repeating private candidates is because, private candidates do not have to follow the rules of 9months long A Level course set by MOE.When TS failed to mention the word "private candidates" and used words like CREDITS HOURS and OFFERING CERTIFIED A LEVEL COURSE, that's already a DIFFERENT case from the original case TS wish to tell.

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You're a law student and that's why you provide facts and proof? All I've seen you wrote up until now are mostly criticisms which hardly hold any water. Sure, most law students do not count as much as accountants or cashiers, that doesn't mean that if you don't care about mathematics/calculation then all/most of you do not care about it. But one thing is for sure, you don't care about it.

Well, is hard to get somebody agree with you all the time.My facts and proof might not be accepted by you then again, is there for the argument.As for your accuse claim of criticism, take a deep look why I have to resort to criticize? The information given by TS is full of errors.How the hell can you enter medic course or other courses in JUNE like mentioned by TS when you will only get your results months later?I never know that TS' center actually can get the result immediately after finishing the exam.Facts are, you finish the exam in mid june.How the hell you gonna start a new course immediately when you didnt even get your results?As for the calculating part, I don't see a need of us getting deep into this discussion when it's not relevant.Save your breath.No point discussing over it.Irrelevant.

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 25 2009, 02:37 PM)
i wonder if ffrulz and solstice are going to retype all their arguments! biggrin.gif
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