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epalbee3
post Jan 2 2010, 12:39 AM

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just buy one GI on medical and one GI on PA, should be enough.

the coverage must be at least RM200k so that you can be fairly cover.

then the rest of the money you can use to invest, buy property and saving.


Added on January 2, 2010, 12:47 am
QUOTE(weikian @ Jan 1 2010, 11:54 PM)
Well, i do agree that customers should call the insurance company to know more about the legal stuff. There must be a reason for the claiming process being slow or claim was rejected.

Here's a good look on all the medical cards provided by all the life insurance and General insurance companies.

http://www.malaysiainsuranceguide.com/HS013.htm
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after I read all, I still think that kurnia is one of the best:

1) unconditional guaranteed renewal until 60 year old.
2) no co-insurance
3) no deductible
4) fairly covered for all types of conditions
5) the fee is reasonable.

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post Jan 2 2010, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jan 2 2010, 01:21 AM)
epalbee3,

if you can afford it, go beyond 200k. personally i'd feel pretty save with a number closer to 1M.

about your kurnia comment, you are mistaken with 2):

1) is true, i believe until 65 though according to my records
2) 20% coinsurance applies arcross all their policies if R&B exceeds the limit. most insurances have this clause if not all. only axa does not imply this quota unless your rooom category is exceeded (very usefully if oversees!)
3) most good H&S plans have this
4) agreed but the annual limit is relatively low and the lifetime limit is only 3x annual limit. early commitment will not provide safety. 10x annual limit should be the absolute minimum. if you can, get a policy with just an annual limit instead.
5) from a quick scan i believe kurnia's premium is somewhat in the middle or upper middle of the premium per 1k cover for a cover from age 23-65. but then again the lowest premium should not be the deciding factor. i have no idea how claims are processed and all though. ask around to get a better idea on the service if required.
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Yupe, agree a lot with all of you.

20% will not be imposed if R&B is below the limit, e.g. RM150.

Yes, PJusa, I agree with you that 500k - 1 million is a reasonable number now.

Currently my monthly PA plus medical is around RM40 with 125k PA and 210k medical coverage.

If I can, I want to upgrade it to 500k PA and 420k medical converage next year.

But again, it will cost me about RM1500 per year, or RM125 per month, a dramatical changes. This only for age range 30-35.

Again, you must know that PA rate is fixed while medical rate is increasing exponentially. When you need it more, you can't afford it, it is somehow a truth.

At the end I might increase my PA coverage to 200k while maintaining medical insurance coverage.

All of us can come out with the figure of 500k - 1 million, but not all of us afford to buy it, those who afford may want to spend it elsewhere for better life (buying house, saving, daily expenses, etc).


Added on January 2, 2010, 12:38 pm
QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Jan 2 2010, 09:43 AM)
What happens when you are 56 years old then, when you retire? To get a GI medical plan almost equivalent to the basic medical plan of a life insurance policy, you pay from a provider RM3005 a year. Age 61, premium goes up to RM3700 per year. Assuming you have no loading imposed on you.

Compare that with getting life at a young age, like 20-30 years old. A complete plan would cost you RM150 a month, or RM1800 per year. You get all the coverage (PA, Critical illness, Disability, Payor riders etc). Medical card, some investent for the policy to be self-sustaining. Policy holiday, policy loan. Many say, Rm1800, is too much, but in the early years, you can work. When you retire?

When you are young, GI is very attractive. GET IT IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD LIFE. Its cheap, end of story, compared to life. BUT REMEMBER, when you are old however, GI can be a nightmare. In a country known for people blowing their EPF withing three years after retirement, can you actually afford to pay the GI premium you'll need then?
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You are right on the statement that pay now and easy later.

Investment link with medical coverage is also help saving money first then pay for it later.

As I know, there is no life insurance guarantee the medical fee; and you may be requested to downgrade your medical coverage if investment is not satisfactory. After all, it is still a bet for investment.

I would say for those who don't mind expensive life insurance, they should buy it.
For average people like us, we would need a cost-efficient coverage and the rest of the money we will invest ourselves.
But you must be very disciplined using GI, which increase every five years. life will be for those who needs fixed rates.

But indeed, GI is most cost effective, sort of DIY.


Added on January 2, 2010, 12:41 pm
QUOTE(weikian @ Jan 2 2010, 11:03 AM)
How about Critical Illness part? and life part(life and TPD)? Ignore them? Remember that PA only pay out when something happen due to Accident.
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If you need all these. you will need a full life insurance, but you pay more.

BUt if you ask people around, those who get life insurance usually get lower coverage like 100k medic, 50k life, 30k PA only, as there are a lot of fees/coverages. but they have to pay like RM200 a month. May be those with life insurance can advise on this.



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post Jan 2 2010, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(weikian @ Jan 2 2010, 08:52 PM)
Not really, some companies offer only RM150-160 per month and with 100k life 50k Critical Illness, Rm150 room and board ( 90k annual limit, 720k lifetime) and also 20-30k pa. However its all depends on its age. But i would say Critical Illness is a very very important part that you need to cover other than medical card.
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yupe.. this policy is good for medical but still need to buy separate PA..
epalbee3
post Jan 3 2010, 11:59 PM

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PJusa, do you know any cheap senior medical insurance? May need to buy for my parents..
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post Jan 4 2010, 09:12 PM

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The problem is most senior medical insurances are very expensive.

Any company offer limited protections with cheap fees. Like 20k should be enough..
epalbee3
post Jan 4 2010, 11:51 PM

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If you see carefully, I am mentioning about senior medical insurance. buying a decent one will cost you a rocket.


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post Jan 5 2010, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(weikian @ Jan 5 2010, 12:30 AM)
True, but i dont think there are other ways except paying higher. I understand that that's the reason you choosing lower coverage medical card. However, people do not get healthier when they get older, you will need more protection that time than now. If can afford, try to get the higher coverage. ILP at this age will also be expensive.
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well, may be it can only be used for minor admission.
For bigger one, government hospital may be a better choice. 20k - 40k is just enough to cover government fee. As you know, things are never cheap as well for government hospital.


Added on January 5, 2010, 1:20 amGood and cheap plan, please advise:

http://www.tokiomarine.com.my/products/medical_partner.htm


only drawback is until 65 only..

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post Jan 5 2010, 09:05 PM

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I would say all very expensive, only kurnia mediguard premier is affordable..

Paying like Rm3k per year is like paying a viva..


Added on January 5, 2010, 9:06 pm
QUOTE(HHalphaomega @ Jan 5 2010, 11:27 AM)
Epalbee,

From the outset the plan looks like a decent coverage. If you're able to only afford the said plan and willing to take the risk of no coverage post 65, then go for it. End of the day, it really depends on what you can afford and your risk appetite after you've weighed all the variables.

Cheers,

HH
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yupe.. the problem about tm is it does not cover after 65.

so kurnia will still be the best.. if not, i will buy tm..

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post Jan 15 2010, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 15 2010, 03:02 PM)
PJ,

Have you seen a new medi plan from Allianz, MediShield Plus. ?  It has a deductible option and the coverage per ringgit looks reasonable.. Maybe good if you could take a look and gives us some comment? 

So far my only question is I can't find anywhere in their brochure that says 'guaranteed renewal' and 'portfolio loading'....
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Since you see "plus", it has deductable of Rm10k per disability.

So it is just an extra insurance only.
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post Jan 15 2010, 09:18 PM

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you can download from here: https://www.allianz.com.my/cls/content.aspx?t=857&m=0#top

By the way, the brochure did not state if per disability, but most medical insurance like that. May be you can ask others.
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post Jan 16 2010, 11:10 AM

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Relying on company medical scheme is very risky.

Because they only cover you when you are active in employment. If you can't work then you are no longer covered. Company

Somemore, the medical claim is based on management approval, no security at all.

Better to have own medical coverage.

And for allianz, only plan 3 make sense. RM100 is very low for coverage.


Added on January 16, 2010, 11:29 amCompany will terminate people if they are found no longer fit to work.


Added on January 16, 2010, 11:44 amI do see well converage of allianz medical insurance (plan 3)
Compared to kurnia 210k, you are paying 1.5 times of premium to get 4 times lifetime limits. Worth to buy if you can commit to pay for their premium.



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