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post Feb 14 2009, 02:49 AM, updated 17y ago

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sorry to crash proton/perodua fanboys party on v day...but this is for the lol...

Here are some of the lines:
"even if you are doggedly pro-Malaysia, you don't have to buy one of these"
"so poor it deserves to benefit from the next Comic Relief"
"named after the ice lolly, but not as sweet, desirable or long lasting..."
"we don't know what Malaysian motorists did to upset the gods, but it must have been pretty serious"

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I hope Proton + Perodua will go bankrupt soon and I will celebrate the day malaysian motorist are finally free from this curse...


sos for potong = http://www.topgear.com/uk/proton
sos for perodua = http://www.topgear.com/uk/perodua

Update...
more lol video...


You might die in a proton wajunk...err I mean waja... sweat.gif


new saga can be started with a paper clip...really good quality man!!!


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post Feb 14 2009, 03:15 AM

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any source for these?

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post Feb 14 2009, 03:21 AM

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QUOTE(VinluV @ Feb 14 2009, 03:15 AM)
any source for these?
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sos already included, its there, click on it...
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post Feb 14 2009, 03:57 AM

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they have higher expectations... or we malaysians are easily satisfied??...
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post Feb 14 2009, 04:02 AM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 14 2009, 03:57 AM)
they have higher expectations... or we malaysians are easily satisfied??...
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Neither. Its just when u stick som1 by a sewerage his entire life, he wont realize the stink.
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post Feb 14 2009, 04:45 AM

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their review are damn cruel.kene halau camtu je.... sweat.gif
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post Feb 14 2009, 04:51 AM

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malaysian most not effort to buy import car..tax high...
most cheap car is proton n predua...
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post Feb 14 2009, 07:55 AM

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"We didn't know what malaysian motorists did to upset he gods, but it must have been something pretty serious, considering the punishment they're getting"

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post Feb 14 2009, 09:06 AM

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lol
no comment since they hav lots better cars in their country -.-
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post Feb 14 2009, 09:06 AM

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This has been on their site for quite a long time now

They drive those V8s and stuff like that, what is a budget car to them?

Btw, TS comes down harsh on almost everything

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post Feb 14 2009, 09:54 AM

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i like this topic. keep it up guy..
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post Feb 14 2009, 10:16 AM

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WHATCAR magazine also made similar remarks...only much more polite.
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post Feb 14 2009, 10:16 AM

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good for perdoua fans ,TOO

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post Feb 14 2009, 10:23 AM

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"I hope Proton + Perodua will go bankrupt soon and I will celebrate the day malaysian motorist are finally free from this curse..."

u just mad because u can't the expensive car like others


Added on February 14, 2009, 10:25 amwell.. gen2 and satria neo comments is not bad at all..

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post Feb 14 2009, 10:29 AM

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Top gear UK is infamous for its very mean comments for very bad cars in the UK but its humorous. Whatcar UK is much more gentle in comments.
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post Feb 14 2009, 10:34 AM

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just watch their tv show laaa then..

it's an entertaiment show ( which we'r all like ) rather than those boring other car tv show like Drive
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post Feb 14 2009, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Feb 14 2009, 09:06 AM)
This has been on their site for quite a long time now

They drive those V8s and stuff like that, what is a budget car to them?

Btw, TS comes down harsh on almost everything
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before you say others, please do some research.

they have plenty of ford ka, citroen c1, fiat 500 and renault clio on the road. not everyone afford to go for V8 especially the government is giving roadtrax exemption for those low CO2 emission vehicle.
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post Feb 14 2009, 10:45 AM

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kesian us. we're all driving shit cans. wat's funnier r those ah bengs who go and spend loads modifying their shit cans. if Jeremy Clarkson saw those, i bet he'll laugh his pants off.
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please be bear in your mind..

they selling our malaysia car around 10k pound plus..assume if you are UK resident and having average salary in 3k pound per month..will you still going for that car?

take an assumption, if you are malaysian and having RM20k per month..will you still going for proton or perodua?

truthfully said that we are not really sincere to support malaysia product..but it only FORCE to support it since "that" only we affordable..
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post Feb 14 2009, 10:49 AM

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I'm gonna say 3k pound per month is not their average salary..

3k pound per month is a LOT

and their taxes r... sweat.gif

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these articles are kinda old but relevant still, other than proton/perodua they should be shoved in the face of the vendors/contracts who are responsible for the parts in our local cars. Honestly, if I were part of the design team of either company, such comments would only fire up my desire to come out with better cars.
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I hope they review the new Satria Neo CPS..

I dun care if they will thrash it or not..

I just want to know what they think about the car
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post Feb 14 2009, 10:59 AM

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Malaysia Bole land..
got $$ can become vendor already...
wat u supply they dun care..
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post Feb 14 2009, 11:26 AM

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Are their reviews a bit biased? Savvy scores 8/10 for handling while Myvi scores 9/10 lol

And I was actually saying it in performance wise ... I don't think many of their budget cars score good performance points. The same goes to Proton and Perodua ... but of course, the interior of our national cars is no match for the rest and our quality isn't really on par with them ... but there's always room for improvement.

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Malaysian made dude.what do you expect?
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as long u support Proton n Perodua, u will get shit from them.
Proton n Perodua should go down, n government should exempt the tax on imported cars.
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QUOTE(JackLiu @ Feb 14 2009, 04:51 AM)
malaysian most not effort to buy import car..tax high...
most cheap car is proton n predua...
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yep in msia...tht's the only choice we have. but in UK, australia..price for proton's car is only a bit cheaper tht other brands. and sometimes u can even buy jap car at the same price. thts why they give a negative review abt protons n perodua.


Added on February 14, 2009, 12:18 pm
QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 14 2009, 03:57 AM)
they have higher expectations... or we malaysians are easily satisfied??...
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thts quite true also. I'm not against any local made car since i also drive proton and perodua..but majority of my frinds feels tht they'r easily satisfied with local made car. biggrin.gif


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post Feb 14 2009, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(mudz_amin @ Feb 14 2009, 11:56 AM)
as long u support Proton n Perodua, u will get shit from them.
Proton n Perodua should go down, n government should exempt the tax on imported cars.
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and what? ten of thousands people lost their job?


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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Feb 14 2009, 12:59 PM)
and what? ten of thousands people lost their job?
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proton and perodua should improve their
quality.at least make us proud to be a
owner.i feel like been cheated. sad.gif

btw TS name very special.i dont know how he
log in everytime biggrin.gif

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they are now improving right... but a bit slow.. still.. gotta gain some momentum first..
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Will he give the same comment if the Myvi is put on with the Daihatsu Sirion brand?? sleep.gif
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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Feb 14 2009, 01:25 PM)
they are now improving right... but a bit slow.. still.. gotta gain some momentum first..
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ya agree.
btw do you what is our 1st national car?
my friend told me is not proton saga..
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TOPGEAR shld review wiralution and wajalution la.. can win evo sometimes lol

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proton and perodua are developing and evolving..

give them some more time, they will make us proud..

Topgear is just an entertainment program and not really much informative, plus with their harsh comment , I don't really bother to listen to the old man review

Doesnt matter u buy local car or not, but the key is too support .

You wish perodua and proton go bankrupt and then what? You want to make another one and you claim yours is better?

Outsider scolding at your family, and you love to join the outsider to scolding at your family too?

What kind of moral ..

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QUOTE(khaidani @ Feb 14 2009, 01:54 PM)
proton and perodua are developing and evolving..

give them some more time, they will make us proud..

Topgear is just an entertainment program and not really much informative, plus with their harsh comment , I don't really bother to listen to the old man review

Doesnt matter u buy local car or not, but the key is too support .

You wish perodua and proton go bankrupt and then what? You want to make another one and you claim yours is better?

Outsider scolding at your family, and you love to join the outsider to scolding at your family too?

What kind of moral ..
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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Feb 14 2009, 10:23 AM)
u just mad because u can't the expensive car like others

Added on February 14, 2009, 10:25 amwell.. gen2 and satria neo comments is not bad at all..
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well, whether I can afford expensive car is beside the point, proton are shit cars, the new sage got some improve but still NOT on par with international standard, c'mon 20 yrs of chance and not much improvement = must die!!!!

some produa maybe ok lah but I rather not buy one...

the only good thing top gear said was for the neo which in my opinion is another underpowered shit car, sorry for the lang neo fanboy...
maybe the r3 will fix the power, but its still a shit car because of the badge... I know proton fanboys gonna burn me now, burn me lah, shit car is shit car no matter what...

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Not really. If Proton and Perodua wants to be better, what they need is competition. If they lock out the 'world's standard' measurement for cars, and build according to what they dictate, of course they'll fair badly overseas la.

I mean, you want to excel, what you need is some competition with world standards. If you confine the whole Malaysia football team to just competitions in Malaysia, we would think they're gods by now. But let them out abit and play with some ASEAN folks, man such humuliating results. At least now they know they need to buck up.


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QUOTE(cnlow @ Feb 14 2009, 10:45 AM)
kesian us. we're all driving shit cans. wat's funnier r those ah bengs who go and spend loads modifying their shit cans. if Jeremy Clarkson saw those, i bet he'll laugh his pants off.
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damn true...maybe someone and sent photo of those ah beng proton/perodua to his email...


Added on February 14, 2009, 2:55 pm
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proton and perodua are developing and evolving..

give them some more time, they will make us proud..

Topgear is just an entertainment program and not really much informative, plus with their harsh comment , I don't really bother to listen to the old man review

Doesnt matter u buy local car or not, but the key is too support .

You wish perodua and proton go bankrupt and then what? You want to make another one and you claim yours is better?

Outsider scolding at your family, and you love to join the outsider to scolding at your family too?

What kind of moral ..
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top year is entertainment but what they say does carry weight for car enthusiast world wide and for that alone it means business...

shit car is shit car lah, you want to support shit meh??? if they don't improve why should I support them it will only make them worst...

if they improve like the Koreans sure I support lah...


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This has been posted on their site for so long already.JC even did a review on the Perodua Kelisa before.He hate it so much that he blew it up with two sticks of dynamite
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i dont care what other say but i think proton make a decent car for its price.

dont give me that shit about govt tax unless u can change the govt or just stfu.

proton car is much better than some low class cheap ass shitty "toyota" selling in our country. however perodua is just another piece of shit

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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 14 2009, 02:56 PM)
This has been posted on their site for so long already.JC even did a review on the Perodua Kelisa before.He hate it so much that he blew it up with two sticks of dynamite
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you mean this, rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


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Meh, if you think Proton is good, then open up the damn market and play fair.

Top Gear has been giving bad reviews to other top tier manufacturers before, but instead of whining, alot of them return with cars that actually changes their mind.
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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Feb 14 2009, 10:49 AM)
I'm gonna say 3k pound per month is not their average salary..

3k pound per month is a LOT

and their taxes r...  sweat.gif
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yeah, almost half of that will be going into the government's pocket...


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i dont care what other say but i think proton make a decent car for its price.

dont give me that shit about govt tax unless u can change the govt or just stfu.

proton car is much better than some low class cheap ass shitty "toyota" selling in our country. however perodua is just another piece of shit
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uhmm.....which proton is better than the low class cheap toyota???

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QUOTE(mudz_amin @ Feb 14 2009, 11:56 AM)
as long u support Proton n Perodua, u will get shit from them.
Proton n Perodua should go down, n government should exempt the tax on imported cars.  If Tax on imported car exempted, Bolehland govmt will go bankrup...dah la royalti petronas kena amik..nnt sumer mau tol, sumer mau tax
QUOTE(bibbyGirl @ Feb 14 2009, 02:57 PM)
i dont care what other say but i think proton make a decent car for its price.  You're joking right?

dont give me that shit about govt tax unless u can change the govt or just stfu.Just change gomen before they romen (rape) all of our monies

proton car is much better than some low class cheap ass shitty "toyota" selling in our country. however perodua is just another piece of shit Are you sure 'bout dis?Have driven all 3 eh?Make poll & see what other people that's driven/ been in both car says
QUOTE(daijoubu @ Feb 14 2009, 03:01 PM)
Meh, if you think Proton is good, then open up the damn market and play fair. Lulz, very true!

Top Gear has been giving bad reviews to other top tier manufacturers before, but instead of whining, alot of them return with cars that actually changes their mind. Not really possible with Bolehland's car maker.....
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QUOTE(jpker kia @ Feb 14 2009, 03:52 PM)
Malay Management.. End of story
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most of proton&perodua vendor are chinese..
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QUOTE(khaidani @ Feb 14 2009, 04:59 PM)
most of proton&perodua vendor are chinese..
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they're just selling the car not producing the car...

but china produced car are shit 2... for now at least...

but they just started so if they're still shitty like proton after 30yrs then they must die as well...

proton not only got time but also they got protection from goverment and still not much improvement so they should burn all the headquarters and chop off the ceo head... laugh.gif

perodua on the other hand are souless shit money making shit cars but still probably better than proton due to toyota involvement... which ever way save your money and buy a real car...


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QUOTE(aBg_rOnGak @ Feb 14 2009, 03:42 PM)

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if govt can be change so easy like u say. everyone can be sultan la doh.gif

ya proton make a decent car for their price.

u see..gen2/persona/waja > lala vios

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lol nice!!! woooto biggrin.gif


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most of proton&perodua vendor are chinese..
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lol, u know what are u saying anot? did u supply material to proton vendors before?



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no competition, no improvement. just as simple as that.
the government can't protect Proton n Perodua forever.
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TOP GEAR is always known by malaysian to BASH most malaysian / korean car. haha they drove TOP CARS like porshe, ferarri, mustang for FREE and get paid. then they drove proton / korean car. we all love to hear crazy/blunt comments and bash. sometimes its fun and provoking. if i were them, i would say same thing to proton cars but then, do we all really know what TOP really means?

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Feb 14 2009, 06:25 PM)
TOP GEAR is always known by malaysian to BASH most malaysian / korean car. haha they drove TOP CARS like porshe, ferarri, mustang for FREE and get paid. then they drove proton / korean car. we all love to hear crazy/blunt comments and bash. sometimes its fun and provoking. if i were them, i would say same thing to proton cars but then, do we all really know what TOP really means?
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if you've watched their shows before, u'll know that they also like small cheap (for them in the Europe) cars. They say only what's in their minds, and its the truth. for them, 7k pounds for a MYVI is not worth the money when u can buy a Celica for only 11k pounds...and the suzuki swift only cost 9k pounds, which would u choose?
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QUOTE(jpker kia @ Feb 14 2009, 03:52 PM)
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go for TOP GEAR.im die-hard fan!!!

some says bla bla bla...we only know it is the STIG...hehehe
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QUOTE(samlee860407 @ Feb 14 2009, 05:36 PM)
lol nice!!! woooto biggrin.gif


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lol,  u know what are u saying anot? did u supply material to proton vendors before?
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nope I'm not a proton vendor, but I know there are a lot chinese company that supplying parts for proton, I know bcoz I used to work in automotive factory that supply parts for proton,perodua,toyota.
well, i'm just saying about the vendor, not accusing anyone.

Proton is looking for good quality part with low price,
while vendor making low quality part with high price .

Problem would appear when vendor is try to make more profit by making part using cheap material, whereas faulty to be found when the supplied parts crippled during assembling, or detected during stock checking
the worst case is when the bad supplied parts is only crippled after fall into customer's hand, while found nothing during QC checking and assembling in proton manufacture.

And forsure proton will be blame by customer, not the vendor.
Even Proton take action by blacklisting the bad vendor, other vendor would probably make the same problem.

Right now I'm working in another field but my job scope is still the same ( finding parts for product ) , Yes i'm pretty sure on what i'm saying bcoz this is my dishes everyday
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haiz..if vendor provides good and lasting parts...then proton cars wont make sound and weird noises.. laugh.gif .....so main problem is the vendor?... doh.gif
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waaa...if we open market ( FTA ) , not only the automotive will die, all local company will be dead as well... coz let say if pricing is right, n were to synchronized to all product, be it foreign or local, think, the customer either foreigner or local people will always choose the better one ( which is the imported one..or non- malaysian product) ... unless u really wanna save money n buy the local product.. and the GV pay hundreds (or is it lower?) millions jaz to escape this... sad.gif

If FTA were to really conducted, proton will be dead for sure. ofcoz they gonna sell, but other manuacturers will conquer all the customer. its jaz one way ticket to hell.

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woooooo proton really underestimate their expectation . PHAILED PROTON.
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If you did notice and read the UK Top Gear Mag, TopGear is actually pro-Britian car and the bad mouth almost every other car produced by other countries.

I feel pitiful for the 2 local car producers here in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(khaidani @ Feb 14 2009, 08:14 PM)
nope I'm not a proton vendor, but I know there are a lot chinese company that supplying parts for proton, I know bcoz I used to work in automotive factory that supply parts for proton,perodua,toyota.
well, i'm just saying about the vendor, not accusing anyone.

Proton is looking for good quality part with low price,
while vendor making low quality part with high price .

Problem would appear when vendor is try to make more profit by making part using cheap material, whereas faulty to be found when the supplied parts crippled during assembling, or detected during stock checking
the worst case is when the bad supplied parts is only crippled after fall into customer's hand, while found nothing during QC checking and assembling in proton manufacture.

And forsure proton will be blame by customer, not the vendor.
Even Proton take action by blacklisting the bad vendor, other vendor would probably make the same problem.

Right now I'm working in another field but my job scope is still the same ( finding parts for product ) , Yes i'm pretty sure on what i'm saying bcoz this is my dishes everyday
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i agree on wat ur saying, wat car company wana sell a car dat is easy 2 fall apart, its bcos of dis kinda ppl dat wana make big money by selling low end parts.. wat i understand is if i haf a car company i wouldnt wan 2 sell a tin can wif wheels, i wana sell a gud quality car. proton wana get gud parts 4 low price bcos they wana let d ppl earning under rm1k per month use a car 4 family use. dats wat i understand. correct me if im wrong cos i dun knw how 2 xplain it properly.... doh.gif
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for them... lambo, ferraris, porsche are only considered as a 'car'... u cant blame them... they are reviewer and bash lousy cars... well, of course, what u pay for is what u get...

1 lambo can buy how many kelisas u know... each one of the kelisa go bang the lambo the lambo oso die lar... hahaaa! laugh.gif

how can u compare, rite...

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QUOTE(radi0head @ Feb 14 2009, 10:51 PM)
for them... lambo, ferraris, porsche are only considered as a 'car'... u cant blame them... they are reviewer and bash lousy cars... well, of course, what u pay for is what u get...

1 lambo can buy how many kelisas u know... each one of the kelisa go bang the lambo the lambo oso die lar... hahaaa!  laugh.gif

how can u compare, rite...

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hahaha yah lorh.. 4 us lambo is just a dream.. hahahah laugh.gif
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QUOTE(radi0head @ Feb 14 2009, 10:51 PM)
for them... lambo, ferraris, porsche are only considered as a 'car'... u cant blame them... they are reviewer and bash lousy cars... well, of course, what u pay for is what u get...

1 lambo can buy how many kelisas u know... each one of the kelisa go bang the lambo the lambo oso die lar... hahaaa!  laugh.gif

how can u compare, rite...

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I agree with you. But they should also give some face to other cars le... It's not like everyone in the world has that kinda money to get those "cars" which they call cars. For me if I have even a Kancil to drive I am already happy.
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good bash, so now lets see if our 2 dearly car manufacture will respond or just keep quiet whistling.gif
anyway, dont give me a shit about perodua is better than proton because it is perodua = daihatsu = toyota bullshit
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QUOTE(wanjpun @ Feb 14 2009, 10:38 PM)
i agree on wat ur saying, wat car company wana sell a car dat is easy 2 fall apart, its bcos of dis kinda ppl dat wana make big money by selling low end parts.. wat i understand is if i haf a car company i wouldnt wan 2 sell a tin can wif wheels, i wana sell a gud quality car. proton wana get gud parts 4 low price bcos they wana let d ppl earning under rm1k per month use a car 4 family use. dats wat i understand. correct me if im wrong cos i dun knw how 2 xplain it properly.... doh.gif
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U r indeed correct, basicly that is the main concern of proton, They never aim their market for high end ppl or vip, so that is why u never see an expensive luxurious car made by proton except the old perdana, but malaysian who own accord 2008, estima, alphard etc will bash proton without knowing much what they are saying.

Ppl who works in automotive field should know this.

About topgear, I've started watching the program since the "kelisa bashing" all over the internet, but decided to stop watching after 2-3 program ever since, I made that decision when seeing the program is just about how good the car when cornering,sliding,engine torque,safety and things that only concern by the old man host. They didnt even want to take it deeper and they bash the car if they didnt like it.

I'm suggesting u guyz to not to listen to the bad mouth comment , it just like a bad comment from old aunty neighbour
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haiz...
proton n perodua mus do ownself..
no more copycat laa..

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I'm really not into this bashing thing but certain things have got to be said.

Protectionism made proton/perodua complacent. Come July 9 2009, this will be 25 years Proton are in business and 25 years is a long time in the automotive industry. Too long a time not to improve and to become competitive. The only reason for its survival is 'protection money' we pay when any of us tries buying a foreign make. I am a proud Malaysian, lest you think I'm not but it does not stop me from being a little dissatisfied with how a 'giant' of a company like Proton lacking in so many way yet get away with it.

Someone here said it's because Proton want people who make RM1K to be able to drive a car. I say people who earns RM1K SHOULD NOT be driving a car. They should be taking public transport. This is because they have more serious things to do with their life, like family and survival. Car in any price or form to these people should be a luxury, not a necessity. So, stop focusing on these people.

Enough is said about national cars being the 'junk' and low standards as they are. Accept the fact that as long as we, the rakyat, condones what these 2 companies are doing and the government for protecting them, things will never change. Just like the politics and the administration of this country...you can see it clearly everyday in the news.

I say...compete or risk dying a slow death. The rakyat should be proud and not accept you as second best because of lack of choice. There ARE other choices. I support FTA as it gives true value to the consumer. And it forces Proton/Perodua to actually listen to the people who pays them money. At last.
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well... even with RM3k per month salary ( newly wedding ), I still can say can't afford vios or city.. so proton is still the choice

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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Feb 15 2009, 11:28 AM)
well... even with RM3k per month salary ( newly wedding ), I still can say can't afford vios or city.. so proton is still the choice
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Precisely the point...without protection, people with or without the money will buy cars according to their affordability. This does not mean the govt. should 'charge' a premium for those who can afford it to buy foreign. Eg. a 2009 Honda City costs RM89,980, it's actual cost minus duties is RM61,980. That's a RM28K difference to what we should be paying and what we are charged! The rest of the countries that has this model (Thailand, India, China, Australia etc...) charges around RM60K plus for the car. So, this is not fair to the rakyat.

You will choose your car of whatever make based on how much you can afford. If prices and qualities are all the same, the purchaser will make their minds based on their pocket. So, there's no need to protect the national car makers. It only makes them better with competition.
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with now malaysian mentality, eg: other country products are always better

proton will die in a few years, surely


anyway, BN@PR government. both will not lift up 200% taxes

trust me



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but they use other method..
cheap car smile.gif ... expensive petrol, roadtax, insurance, tax.. etc vmad.gif
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apparently, automotive industry is one of their major source of income to fund the goverment.. i dont see the reason why is it a problem?
if u r dirt rich, go ahead get the lambo despite the massive tax imposed..
if u only can afford after the tax reduced or no tax (imposibble), most probably u still not rich enough to drive such car nod.gif
and im talking about maintenence, accidents etc

oh, dont get me wrong, i do think the tax imposed is too high.. and im just driving a mere proton wira
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QUOTE(khaidani @ Feb 14 2009, 08:14 PM)
nope I'm not a proton vendor, but I know there are a lot chinese company that supplying parts for proton, I know bcoz I used to work in automotive factory that supply parts for proton,perodua,toyota.
well, i'm just saying about the vendor, not accusing anyone.

Proton is looking for good quality part with low price,
while vendor making low quality part with high price .

Problem would appear when vendor is try to make more profit by making part using cheap material, whereas faulty to be found when the supplied parts crippled during assembling, or detected during stock checking
the worst case is when the bad supplied parts is only crippled after fall into customer's hand, while found nothing during QC checking and assembling in proton manufacture.

And forsure proton will be blame by customer, not the vendor.
Even Proton take action by blacklisting the bad vendor, other vendor would probably make the same problem.

Right now I'm working in another field but my job scope is still the same ( finding parts for product ) , Yes i'm pretty sure on what i'm saying bcoz this is my dishes everyday
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Blame game huh?
Proton is just too stupid. Thats it. Why dont you think of a reason why this doesnt happened to Toyota or Honda?
Heck, even the lowly Perodua now makes a better car than Proton.

This is a company waiting to be doom if it keep the same people inside the management. It has got to change and change right now.
I got a couple of clients who used to manufacture parts for Proton as well. They are literally out of business due to the fact that the parts that are being ordered now runs into hundreds of pieces instead of ten of thousands of pieces few years back. If you are wise enough, one would know very well, that when you mass manufacture, you would keep the cost down and this is not what Proton is doing. What they would have do normally with metal stamping has to be replaced with laser cut which not only increase the cost but also the quality is also affected. Thats not all, Proton even outsource car production to other smaller factories around Malaysia. I dont really see a point to do that when you cant even sell more than you can produce. Why did they do that again?

If the government is wise enough, they would have killed Proton years ago. I dont see how this company now makes money from selling RM30K+ Proton Saga compared to those days where it sells Wira close to Rm50k and Waja for over RM60k. The management of Proton is really the garbage of the automotive industry.
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epic phail...climbing hill the fastest does not make it a better car, besides I assume if you do get one you're mostly going to drive it on flat road...
in my opinion for an A 2 B car, myvi is better...but both are still shit cars...

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QUOTE(andrekua @ Feb 15 2009, 01:22 PM)
Blame game huh?
Proton is just too stupid. Thats it. Why dont you think of a reason why this doesnt happened to Toyota or Honda?
Heck, even the lowly Perodua now makes a better car than Proton.

This is a company waiting to be doom if it keep the same people inside the management. It has got to change and change right now.
I got a couple of clients who used to manufacture parts for Proton as well. They are literally out of business due to the fact that the parts that are being ordered now runs into hundreds of pieces instead of ten of thousands of pieces few years back. If you are wise enough, one would know very well, that when you mass manufacture, you would keep the cost down and this is not what Proton is doing. What they would have do normally with metal stamping has to be replaced with laser cut which not only increase the cost but also the quality is also affected. Thats not all, Proton even outsource car production to other smaller factories around Malaysia. I dont really see a point to do that when you cant even sell more than you can produce. Why did they do that again?

If the government is wise enough, they would have killed Proton years ago. I dont see how this company now makes money from selling RM30K+ Proton Saga compared to those days where it sells Wira close to Rm50k and Waja for over RM60k. The management of Proton is really the garbage of the automotive industry.
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anyway.. to all proton/perodua basher and haters,

no need to create every single new threads only to tell how worthless these 2 car company r..

it's annoying..

just buy the GOD-ly toyota and honda, and shut up!



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aiyo.. if everyone could affort a BMW rather than proton or produa...


the vendors will intent to support more expensive and high quality items for the cars ..

since we are malaysian and we know our standard, we had to own a car not a moving VILLA on the road to reach point a - b...
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eh... honda and toyota has problems too...
but mostly malaysian uses proton and produa so we cant argue on that.
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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Feb 15 2009, 01:50 PM)
anyway.. to all proton/perodua basher and haters,

no need to create every single new threads only to tell how worthless  these 2 car company r..

it's annoying..

just buy the GOD-ly toyota and honda, and shut up!
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yes its true if u haf money just go buy other brands, proton n perodua are 4 ppl dat haf not enuff money 2 buy a honda or a toyota. yes they can take public transport but wat if dey already haf 6-10 ppl in der family? u wana ask all of them 2 take a bus?? let me remind sum ppl out der our bus drivers arent very safe u knw. dats y sum ppl buy proton n perodua. it all points at our governments enforcement. if d government wans 2 grow dey will concerntrate on our car companies. 4 ppl who cnt afford gud cars proton n perodua are always der BUT proton n perodua cant just leave it at dat dey haf 2 improve n fight 2 b d best or else die in years 2 come.
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its ok to basher or whatever it was.we need to share our knowledge right.if it true just accept it,if not corect it.if it bullshitt,leave it. icon_rolleyes.gif
of course they,top gear give a mean review to our p1 n p2 or other company which they think its crap.its because they driving the good car from any segment, from small to supercar one.if want to compare with p1 or p2,that still too far away.just my 5 cent. icon_rolleyes.gif

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i think can move this thread to RWI already la..hehe


Added on February 15, 2009, 2:29 pm
QUOTE(khaidani @ Feb 15 2009, 07:02 AM)
U r indeed correct, basicly that is the main concern of proton, They never aim their market for high end ppl or vip, so that is why u never see an expensive luxurious car made by proton except the old perdana, but malaysian who own accord 2008, estima, alphard etc will bash proton without knowing much what they are saying.

Ppl who works in automotive field should know this.

About topgear, I've started watching the program since the "kelisa bashing" all over the internet, but decided to stop watching after 2-3 program ever since, I made that decision when seeing the program is just about how good the car when cornering,sliding,engine torque,safety and things that only concern by the old man host. They didnt even want to take it deeper and they bash the car if they didnt like it.

I'm suggesting u guyz to not to listen to the bad mouth comment , it just like a bad comment from old aunty neighbour
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QUOTE(foocy2001 @ Feb 15 2009, 11:24 AM)
I'm really not into this bashing thing but certain things have got to be said.

Protectionism made proton/perodua complacent. Come July 9 2009, this will be 25 years Proton are in business and 25 years is a long time in the automotive industry. Too long a time not to improve and to become competitive. The only reason for its survival is 'protection money' we pay when any of us tries buying a foreign make. I am a proud Malaysian, lest you think I'm not but it does not stop me from being a little dissatisfied with how a 'giant' of a company like Proton lacking in so many way yet get away with it.

Someone here said it's because Proton want people who make RM1K to be able to drive a car. I say people who earns RM1K SHOULD NOT be driving a car. They should be taking public transport. This is because they have more serious things to do with their life, like family and survival. Car in any price or form to these people should be a luxury, not a necessity. So, stop focusing on these people.

Enough is said about national cars being the 'junk' and low standards as they are. Accept the fact that as long as we, the rakyat, condones what these 2 companies are doing and the government for protecting them, things will never change. Just like the politics and the administration of this country...you can see it clearly everyday in the news.

I say...compete or risk dying a slow death. The rakyat should be proud and not accept you as second best because of lack of choice. There ARE other choices. I support FTA as it gives true value to the consumer. And it forces Proton/Perodua to actually listen to the people who pays them money. At last.
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proton can make a luxury , fast n good looking but will the price be at RM30k - RM50k? ( which average Malaysians can afford )

no I dun think so

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QUOTE(davvycroix @ Feb 15 2009, 02:12 PM)
aiyo.. if everyone could affort a BMW rather than proton or produa...
the vendors will intent to support more expensive and high quality items for the cars ..

since we are malaysian and we know our standard, we had to own a car not a moving VILLA on the road to reach point a - b...
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That is the brain washed mentality that local car makers are trying to put into everyone's head.

You guys dont get it.

If you remove the protectionism, prices of other carmakers cars that is better in quality, performance, etc will be almost the same as what you pay for a Persona or Waja. Its nothing about whether Proton can make this or that. Its we're paying more, for less, because of the protection given to local car manufacturers.

Take out the high import duties on foreign car. Then with the same amount of money you are paying for a "mid range Proton" such as Gen2/Persona/Waja, you can get a better performing, better quality car. Wit 25 years, you'd expect Proton be able to provide a car that is at least comparable with other foreign manufacturers, but nooooo, protectionism made them sloppy and complacent.
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QUOTE(davvycroix @ Feb 15 2009, 02:13 PM)
eh... honda and toyota has problems too...
but mostly malaysian uses proton and produa so we cant argue on that.
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yeap, Malaysian CKD honda & toyota are crappy 2, but still not as bad as proton, but do keep in mind that japan build honda and toyota are DEFINITELY GOOD, tom yam land build honda toyota I think quite good also lah judging from experience.

oh yah, one more thing...even ckd merc & bmw are crappy as well, just go to motor trader forum to see the shit malaysian build ckd bmw owner are facing...

bottom line, don't buy anything made in malaysia!!! for those who can't afford a decent car like say a cbu japanese/german build car... its still ok lah, just that ppl will say its a tin can shit car, what to do lah this is malaysia, just swallow ur pride & accept the fact... laugh.gif

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QUOTE(-҉- @ Feb 15 2009, 04:09 PM)
yeap, Malaysian CKD honda & toyota are crappy 2, but still not as bad as proton, but to keep in mind that japan build honda and toyota are DEFINITELY GOOD, tom yam land build honda toyota I think quite good also lah judging from experience.

oh yah, one more thing...even ckd merc & bmw are crappy as well, just go to motor trader forum to see the shit malaysian build ckd bmw owner are facing...

bottom line, don't buy anything made in malaysia!!! for those who can't afford a decent car like say a cbu japanese/german build car... its still ok lah, just that ppl will say its a tin can shit car, what to do lah this is malaysia, just swallow ur pride & accept the fact... laugh.gif
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i think its becos of japanese ethics/attitude and quality control. if u have work in japanese factory u know. very strict smile.gif
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take a look to other manufacture, top gear also bash them laugh.gif
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QUOTE(-҉- @ Feb 15 2009, 04:09 PM)
yeap, Malaysian CKD honda & toyota are crappy 2, but still not as bad as proton, but do keep in mind that japan build honda and toyota are DEFINITELY GOOD, tom yam land build honda toyota I think quite good also lah judging from experience.

oh yah, one more thing...even ckd merc & bmw are crappy as well, just go to motor trader forum to see the shit malaysian build ckd bmw owner are facing...

bottom line, don't buy anything made in malaysia!!! for those who can't afford a decent car like say a cbu japanese/german build car... its still ok lah, just that ppl will say its a tin can shit car, what to do lah this is malaysia, just swallow ur pride & accept the fact... laugh.gif
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Bro .. if is so shit, y dont you u go somewhere else ... ??

I can tell u now that life here is not perfect, but we should be aware of all the other benefits that we obtain.... if you go other country where car cheap you will encounter other things like HIGH fuel prices, Taxes and such...so its give or take 1... wan cheap car, have high tax and vice versa.....

Proton is building up its standards... last time no safety, now ABS systems and airbags are in place, they offer alot for the price, i have driven my sisters SAGA and i must say its a great drive for the price... u must look at other people who are not able to buy the "perfect" CBU models, which also have problems mind you.... So this helps those of lower income groups to survive...

Must remember also... not all the CKD cars or even protons have problems... IMO protons are driven by most malaysian and therefore take a large ratio or the cars on the road, this makes them more prone to complaints because or the large amount of customers to provide feedback... So lets say if 2 in 10 cars have defects and proton sells 100 000 and other manufacture sell only 10 000.. meaning P= 20000 cars with defects and Other manufacturer only 2000 cars with defects, get my point ?

BTW.... What car you driving?? a German CBU ?? whistling.gif

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Ermm... Quite true.. Neo and Gen 2 is indeed good in looking, but Malaysia CamTakPro just...
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That is the brain washed mentality that local car makers are trying to put into everyone's head.

You guys dont get it.

If you remove the protectionism, prices of other carmakers cars that is better in quality, performance, etc will be almost the same as what you pay for a Persona or Waja. Its nothing about whether Proton can make this or that. Its we're paying more, for less, because of the protection given to local car manufacturers.

Take out the high import duties on foreign car. Then with the same amount of money you are paying for a "mid range Proton" such as Gen2/Persona/Waja, you can get a better performing, better quality car. Wit 25 years, you'd expect Proton be able to provide a car that is at least comparable with other foreign manufacturers, but nooooo, protectionism made them sloppy and complacent.
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I agree that by removing protectionism malaysian car maker have to increase their quality of product to remain competitive. But that will also result in government tax collection which may reflect in increase of tax in other stuff.
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QUOTE(mav910623 @ Feb 15 2009, 06:39 PM)
Bro .. if is so shit, y dont you u go somewhere else ... ??

I can tell u now that life here is not perfect, but we should be aware of all the other benefits that we obtain.... if you go other country where car cheap you will encounter other things like HIGH fuel prices, Taxes and such...so its give or take 1... wan cheap car, have high tax and vice versa.....

Proton is building up its standards... last time no safety, now ABS systems and airbags are in place, they offer alot for the price, i have driven my sisters SAGA and i must say its a great drive for the price... u must look at other people who are not able to buy the "perfect" CBU models, which also have problems mind you.... So this helps those of lower income groups to survive...

Must remember also... not all the CKD cars or even protons have problems... IMO protons are driven by most malaysian and therefore take a large ratio or the cars on the road, this makes them more prone to complaints because or the large amount of customers to provide feedback... So lets say if 2 in 10 cars have defects and proton sells 100 000 and other manufacture sell only 10 000.. meaning P= 20000 cars with defects and Other manufacturer only 2000 cars with defects, get my point ?

BTW.... What car you driving?? a German CBU ??  whistling.gif

All the above is my opinion, Sorry if i insulted anyone  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I'm definitely not driving a shit tin can car...

but who cares what car I'm driving cause even if I drive a BMW ckd/cbu a proton is still a proton, its shit tin car!!! and that's a fact for over 20yrs now...no improvement...

better get a myvi lah...at least that in a tin can car not a shit tin can car...All the above is my opinion, Sorry if i insulted anyone icon_rolleyes.gif
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Dude, opinions are meant to be a bit filtered. Saying "shit tin car" is hardly an opinion, more like a criticism, or bashing.
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I'm hoping some foreign automaker will buy over Proton or at least become Proton's partner ... better technology!

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I'm definitely not driving a shit tin can car...

but who cares what car I'm driving cause even if I drive a BMW ckd/cbu a proton is still a proton, its shit tin car!!! and that's a fact for over 20yrs now...no improvement...
better get a myvi lah...at least that in a tin can car not a shit tin can car...All the above is my opinion, Sorry if i insulted anyone  icon_rolleyes.gif
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erroneous on every of the bolded ones.

1) go ahead then, buy urself bimmer. cannot afford? so shut the fxck up.

2) no improvement. this is blatantly a lie. i can make 20 improvements in a list that proton has been doing over 20 years back.

3) tin car or whatever, please shut up for the good of ur mother.

i am not blaming him. mybe somesort of a retarded people coming here and think hes the smartest ass around. we all know about proton and how things been going on these years.


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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Feb 15 2009, 10:05 PM)
erroneous on every of the bolded ones.

1) go ahead then, buy urself bimmer. cannot afford? so shut the fxck up.

2) no improvement. this is blatantly a lie. i can make 20 improvements in a list that proton has been doing over 20 years back.

3) tin car or whatever, please shut up for the good of ur mother. 

i am not blaming him. mybe somesort of a retarded people coming here and think hes the smartest ass around. we all know about proton and how things been going on these years.
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Don't mind him (and people like him lar). Wasting time only. nod.gif
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QUOTE(-҉- @ Feb 15 2009, 07:53 PM)
I'm definitely not driving a shit tin can car...

but who cares what car I'm driving cause even if I drive a BMW ckd/cbu a proton is still a proton, its shit tin car!!! and that's a fact for over 20yrs now...no improvement...

better get a myvi lah...at least that in a tin can car not a shit tin can car...All the above is my opinion, Sorry if i insulted anyone  icon_rolleyes.gif
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myvi? it just a remake and rebrand car and dont compare to any of proton car bcoz they are in different world, so say it again and ppl will laugh at you,
stop giving such irritating comment as ppl like below is starting to feel annoyed.

QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Feb 15 2009, 10:05 PM)
erroneous on every of the bolded ones.

1) go ahead then, buy urself bimmer. cannot afford? so shut the fxck up.

2) no improvement. this is blatantly a lie. i can make 20 improvements in a list that proton has been doing over 20 years back.

3) tin car or whatever, please shut up for the good of ur mother. 

i am not blaming him. mybe somesort of a retarded people coming here and think hes the smartest ass around. we all know about proton and how things been going on these years.
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chill bro, some ppl love to bash something when he feel his little knowledge is sufficient enough to make him looks better biggrin.gif

and you are right, proton has improved a lot and still improving themselves.


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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Feb 15 2009, 10:05 PM)
erroneous on every of the bolded ones.

1) go ahead then, buy urself bimmer. cannot afford? so shut the fxck up.

2) no improvement. this is blatantly a lie. i can make 20 improvements in a list that proton has been doing over 20 years back.

3) tin car or whatever, please shut up for the good of ur mother. 

i am not blaming him. mybe somesort of a retarded people coming here and think hes the smartest ass around. we all know about proton and how things been going on these years.
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Don't mind him (and people like him lar). Wasting time only.  nod.gif
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I agree with that. Besides that fact, we should be proud that our very own country does produce the range of cars for the locals to buy at an affordable price. Imagine if our country just depends on imported cars be it CKD or CBU... Not everyone is so bloody rich to fork out those hard earned money for a car. smile.gif

Just my own view.
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well, this is my thread so I can say whatever I want...

hahahahaha. sorry for upsetting u proton/perodua fan boys... I'll say it again


Proton/Perodua ARE SHIT ASS TIN CAN SHIT FCkK CARS...period...


so in conclusion proton should just closed shop because it has no way of competing in the real world...

obviously Top gear agree judging from the review...they even blew up a shit hole perodua kelisa...

ok, I know a lot of you proton/perodua fags gonna get offended and frankly I don't give a flying fckk cause come 2morror you're still be driving that shit...so go ahead blast me all you want cause shit car are shit and nothing you say gonna change this fact...
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Bashers/supporters, can't you turn neutral? Please leave coz your comments are contagious ... no one benefits from it and you're only creating conflicts with everyone else.

I agree Proton is improving, but what we hope for is a better pace of improvement ... for example:

Toyota = 50 points, improve 2 points per year
Proton = 30 points, improve 1 point per year

That way, we'll never catch up.

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where the f*** is the mod?

6 pages of this crap?

do ur f*cking job!
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my saga is still running. but then again its from japan
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aih it will continue to lik this is becos proton is always managed by shitty people who arent qualify to get there.

they are put there becos of "ahem.ahem." factors. factors that dont allow more qualified ppl to get into this industry.
thats is what this country's problem is all about what, its managed by ppl that arent qualified. and those ppl got there because of "pertolongan from u know who and what lah"

and the ppl who are qualified have no help or chance to get there. in any company organization or even school and so on...the head of organization must be a REAL LEADER.

That is what happens when opportunity isnt given to others lah becos they say their ppl not enough maju yet. Have to reach certain level of maju-ness only they will give opportunities to others...

If continue that kind of mentality dont even think of maju. dont even think of vision 2020. its mimpi 2020. Proton is managed by a bunch of idiots la basically. if a company has better management sure u can see the difference.

i mean... u take a look at MAS and AirAsia lah... MAS was here for how long and AA here for how long? how come AA is now better then MAS? because the one leading the company is a genius la ofcos ; )

not only that, compare telekom to maxis... compare streamyx to ???. why i put ??? cos there is no one really to compare, no competitor. why is there no competitor? aha.


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if nissan skyline r34 price same with BLM, i'll go for imported car.
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AirAsia is not managed by Tony fernandez alone..

look at his collegue, lotsa of ehem2...

what say u ?
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why there is no competitor ? u guys should guess the answer pretty right.

and i personally doesn't think that TS has committed serious offense in criticizing our local "warriors" ... just not so constructive
i had never driven a posh or lambo ... so i dont know the diff it makes.


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mod.. do ur job.. close this thread.. it's getting ridiculous
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mod.. do ur job.. close this thread.. it's getting ridiculous
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wtf are you saying... I did not insult anyone here... I'm just saying proton/perodua are crap and a lot of ppl probally agree... I also know a lot of proton/perodua fanboys disagree, so if you like proton/perodua and hate this thread, why not you go to proton/perodua fanboys club and talk shit there... I didn't talk shit there so stop talking shit here...

This thread is dedicated to maximum proton/perodua bashfest!!! you don't like it go somewhere else...

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Yes, but they work as a good team with his leadership. They strive to provide what the consumer wants. They know exactly what the people down there need and they make Profit which in return can be use to improve their service. They are the Really Qualified people to lead their company lah thats what i'm saying. they build good relationship worldwide, they get the air-routes that previously they couldnt get. etc etc.

if only lowyat.net is monitored by those ppl. then they would know what we feel. but too bad it isnt. so ya. gonaa zip my mouth and stay out of this. no point to say anymore. not gona get anywher. ; )

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Whether it's your thread or not, you can still get warned coz this forum doesn't belong to you. This thread is pointless now, byebye

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QUOTE(-҉- @ Feb 15 2009, 10:38 PM)
well, this is my thread so I can say whatever I want...

hahahahaha. sorry for upsetting u proton/perodua fan boys... I'll say it again


Proton/Perodua ARE SHIT ASS TIN CAN SHIT FCkK CARS...period...


so in conclusion proton should just closed shop because it has no way of competing in the real world...

obviously Top gear agree judging from the review...they even blew up a shit hole perodua kelisa...

ok, I know a lot of you proton/perodua fags gonna get offended and frankly I don't give a flying fckk cause come 2morror you're still be driving that shit...so go ahead blast me all you want cause shit car are shit and nothing you say gonna change this fact...
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noobness.

closing shop is not a solution.

that kelisa video must be your most favourite video. i hope that video will make you go orgasm.
just watch it everyday and it will make you happy everyday.i guess it appear on the top of your bookmark list.

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QUOTE(-҉- @ Feb 15 2009, 11:03 PM)
wtf are you saying... I did not insult anyone here... I'm just saying proton/perodua are crap and a lot of ppl probally agree... I also know a lot of proton/perodua fanboys disagree, so if you like proton/perodua and hate this thread, why not you go to proton/perodua fanboys club and talk shit there... I didn't talk shit there so stop talking shit here...

This thread is dedicated to maximum proton/perodua bashfest!!! you don't like it go somewhere else...
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there no such thing as basher wtflololhaxomgorganismhate2lololmax!! thread in lowyat.net

if u want to spam, go somewhere else..

we talk about car in this section, not thrash talk like 12 years old ( eg: you )


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QUOTE(xshiro @ Feb 15 2009, 11:18 PM)
noobness.

closing shop is not a solution.

that kelisa video must be your most favourite video. i hope that video will make you go orgasm.
just watch it everyday and it will make you happy everyday.i guess it appear on the top of your bookmark list.
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I think he like to mastubate to that kelisa video

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a newbie...i think the TS like shit very much...that's why he/she said it many times

or the TS dont have money to buy imported cars, so he blame coz he's driving a shit also

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This deserves to be in Kopitiam at best. Okay leave the tg\hread on if it's for your "freedom of speech" crap. F&F is for people seeking for help and constructive opinions on anything automotive, not saying this car crap, close shop, yatta yatta yatta.

I hate Chinese cars very much. You say Proton is tin Milo? Chinese cars are made out of aluminium packaging FOILS it seems. Not only that, they copy designs without shame. I've hung out in F&F for over a year and I've never openly expressed my disgust over Chinese cars coz I know, it's a waste of time and LYN's resource.

I thought this was one of those "it's a joke, chill!" kinda thread but I was wrong. Either close this or move it.

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QUOTE(DreMAx @ Feb 15 2009, 10:35 PM)
I agree with that. Besides that fact, we should be proud that our very own country does produce the range of cars for the locals to buy at an affordable price. Imagine if our country just depends on imported cars be it CKD or CBU... Not everyone is so bloody rich to fork out those hard earned money for a car. smile.gif

Just my own view.
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I'm proud of Proton that can make cars that can actually compete on same playing level with foreign cars. I am not proud of a baby-fed, mommy's boy of a carmaker that survives just because big daddy is protecting it from its competitors.

The only reason why people say, wow premium priced foreign vehicles like City or Vios, etc etc, is because the goverment is the one that made it premium priced. Without protectionism, prices of those 'expensive, for rich, or well to do people' kinda car actuall will cost like any other Proton mid range or high end vehicle. Proton cars seem 'affordable' just because the gov jacked up all other foreign cars.

So yeah, if you guys want to be proud of Proton, and want to support it, the take off the protection, let the price of foreign vehicles drop to the same price as current Protons, and tell me that you would continue to buy Proton. I'll only be proud of it if they can be like a man, and take on the other carmakers head to head. Make a car that is worthy of respect (price/performance), they they shall get that respct.
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some how proton and produa are real junk!

flame me if you want to.

My friends Pedarna, broke down in the middle of a highway because of transmission problem. why cant they fix this problem in the 1st place before selling this car. And some common problem, such as power windows, door handle , poor trims, Rubbish stereo system , broken speedometer, loose bumper... and lots more .

what i have to say is , rubish is rubish.
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If you look at this, you might vomit.

http://media.paultan.org/pricelist.pdf

Download, watch and read it. I want a BMW 325i Sport with only RM110k!.

It's not just about Proton and Perodua quality, even the local assembled Toyota, Honda and Mercedes-Benz have problem. Have you heard of a local assembled E-Class, new car somemore, encounter with dashboard rattling noise. It's all about Malaysia quality problem, and also...our uneven roads.

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Proton's and perodua's are indeed junks . So wad do you reckon is the best car ever produced and doesnt need to service and doesnt have problem . please introduce your favourite car which doesnt have any problem and wadsoever .
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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Feb 15 2009, 01:50 PM)
anyway.. to all proton/perodua basher and haters,

no need to create every single new threads only to tell how worthless  these 2 car company r..

it's annoying..

just buy the GOD-ly toyota and honda, and shut up!
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Maybe you should shut up. Are you just trying to increase post count or something.

My house still has a Wira. Its decent. Compare it to my company car Vios, the difference is just the logo. I dont really care much about cars really, as long as they move and without too much hassle. What I care though is how our government waste tax payer money on Proton. If Proton cant design the car, they should just buy one and slapped their logo onto it just like Perodua did and with great success. I dont think people care much about who really design the car, rather worried about car reliability, affordability and drivability. What makes me even angry is the fact that Proton own Lotus and still unable to come up with something from it.
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I cant believe there are ppl who take topgear reviews seriously. All that idiot ever says is Astons are god, ferrari is POWERRRR, porsches have the engine in the wrong end and is esentially a VW beetle and everything else is crap,made by monkeys in a jungle clearing, made out of washing machine parts etc..its a british show,the're biased towards british cars. Everything japanese is good but lacks soul..whats the point?

and those idiots actually think perodua cars are malaysian? havnt they heard of google or wikipedia? all they ever do is "i went on the internet and found this..."
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So...nothing is perfect. Every car has their pros and cons.

Anyway, it's no point for us to argue at here about Proton and Perodua, that should be our Government job (Proton & Perodua too) to improve the automobile issues. We are now holding Malaysian IC, so what to do? Just sit down and watch, if you are rich, then migrate to oher country.

I only take Top Gear as entertaiment, sometime their review is funny especially Jeremy Clarkson test the BMW M5 and Porsche Carrera GT.
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so if proton/perodua are junks
how about avanza? it's sh1t
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guys..i think the prob is malaysia la..not proton.. haha. its malaysia. boleh land. n what have this thread become? wahahahahha!
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Top Gear is famous for their harsh comment about cars which is not from UK..they always do..
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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Feb 16 2009, 12:27 PM)
BBC Top Gear = Joke Programs
BBC Fifth Gear
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thank you mate, feel very good watching the video

proton is doing really good for its environment ( self made car,own design, everything is local,not really much competition ) , although taken very long time to develop but they still good actually. Don't need to relate the issue with the tax,government thingy as it is a different story..

on the other hand, some clever ppl will compare proton with perodua, and some ppl will surely laugh at it..
still, we have proton and we should support and proud of it, you have something to comment should do it positively. how many car maker u know from SEA ?

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i enjoy watch TopGear. it's FUN!

*spaceshuttle rocket car
*toyota hilux boat
*remote controlled car
*tractor race
*uneasy to use parking assist in car

as for proton&perodua stuffs, i have this mentality:
*if u can afford for better car, go for it.
*if u cannot afford for better car, just go for less-than-better car.
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The thing with almost all proton(not satria neo) is they are very dull.boring and in generally,useless piece of shit
TG is right,these car are boring,just like other car.
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QUOTE(andrekua @ Feb 16 2009, 08:11 AM)
Maybe you should shut up. Are you just trying to increase post count or something.

My house still has a Wira. Its decent. Compare it to my company car Vios, the difference is just the logo. I dont really care much about cars really, as long as they move and without too much hassle. What I care though is how our government waste tax payer money on Proton. If Proton cant design the car, they should just buy one and slapped their logo onto it just like Perodua did and with great success. I dont think people care much about who really design the car, rather worried about car reliability, affordability and drivability. What makes me even angry is the fact that Proton own Lotus and still unable to come up with something from it.
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hey noobie , u the one who need to shut up?

increase post count? look at my joined date : jan 2003 and 1429 posts
look at u, august 2008 and already 800 posts..
and noobie, u can't increase post count in F&F because of spammer like the stupid TS


what's the point having a national car if we just want to rebadge\ other car

the car is shit car? the rich kids got this proton car fully funded from their FAMA
and their expect to ride it like vios/city.. and
then they bash2 because they laoban parents dun want to buy them honday jazz/ rx8

then they bash the gov because of the high price...
people who are smart, they work harder so that they can buy the high price car.. they dun complain because they know complaining is waste of time
people who are dumb n lazy, they just complain & complain & complain and hope someday ( dreaming ) they can afford the car

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haha nicely said. weldone. i'm proud of u. biggrin.gif
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tq tq  biggrin.gif
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[quote=andrekua,Feb 16 2009, 08:11 AM]
Maybe you should shut up. Are you just trying to increase post count or something.

My house still has a Wira. Its decent. Compare it to my company car Vios, the difference is just the logo. I dont really care much about cars really, as long as they move and without too much hassle. What I care though is how our government waste tax payer money on Proton. If Proton cant design the car, they should just buy one and slapped their logo onto it just like Perodua did and with great success. I dont think people care much about who really design the car, rather worried about car reliability, affordability and drivability. What makes me even angry is the fact that Proton own Lotus and still unable to come up with something from it.
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Haha how far rm50 petrol can ur wira takes u and how far the vios will ? Diff just logo ? For the lols ?

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oh damn..thats a sensitive question. wakakakak~
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Hey, did you guys ever watch top gear?

The comment is of course harsh because jeremy and his gang used to drive supercar and luxury car which.. luxury.

And when he try to compare his Lamborghini and Mercedes AMG with proton made and perduo made of course.

If you did watch before some of the series, he even bash American car is soulless and their technology is behind European.

Like the 4 separate suspension in the new chevy he commended : 4 seperate suspension, didnt europeon has it 100 years ago?

And sometimes he also bash the japanese car because it name:
Like the japanese honda furia, which is name by a german advertise firm when honda need to come out with the car name.
He bash the name and say if he was the honda people he will fired the advertising firm and find someone else.

People bash because it fun. Like the kelisa who he hang and bomb it to the ground later. You can see he having so much fun bashing kelisa.

It is very subjective.

Personally I think proton car has no quality but at least it road worthy.

And personally I don't think Malaysian who keep bashing government on the car tax issue and dreaming of having a sporty deserve a better car another than local made.

Personally, the car tax is serve as a barrier to those people who has retarded mentality from driving car too fast.

Proton can only go until 180-200km/h but those japanese and continental car can go way beyond that.

Imaging what would happen if those retarded get such car but cant take responsibility for his action?

There you go sucker icon_idea.gif

I am bashing sweat.gif

I also drive proton btw whistling.gif

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I dun know why people would drive until 130km/h and higher...

if u want to kill urself on the road, plz do it alone..

dun take other people and ur family lives

and we do have sepang circuit.. go there laaaa if u want to test u super duper ricer car with gt-wing that larger than airplane...
even if ur car can fly.. we dun care... don't do it on the road...

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whahaah...for its that day that japan build kancil was in indeed impressive, an automatic screen wiper/headlamps lol!!! classic...
but the produa kancil unfortunately = major shiat car...

ah yeah, for those who blast me, come blast me more I read your sad post I laugh my ass off...yayaya proton is improving sure... in your dreams...
for those who drive the shit tin... just work harder and buy something decent even the inokom badge hyundai are much better then the shit tin car and its affordable, they you go you fck heads who kepp on saying that proton its the only car to buy if you got no money...

oh yeah, they'll be less proton waja fanboys bashing me as time pass due to amputation and death..I will surely miss these delusional comical ppl...





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ok guys... it's differential diagnosis time guys

is the TS having :-

a) down syndrome
b) mentally retarded
c) a rich kid who ask his parent to buy him vios/city/jazz instead he got proton car
d) his father got fired from proton

etc. etc.
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ok guys... it's differential diagnosis time guys

is the TS having :-

a) down syndrome
b) mentally retarded
c) a rich kid who ask his parent to buy him vios/city/jazz instead he got proton car
d) his father got fired from proton

etc. etc.
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hahahahaha... so do you drive a waja???
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Oh come on, TS, you take TG too seriously. I've watched that episode, and the one where the Kelisa gets bombed, and where they tested a Kelisa around a slalom course and Jeremy almost threw up in it.

It's a fricking joke, they can afford better, lucky them. I don't take them seriously, at least we all know, the car is at least road worthy. Let them make fun of our cars, it's classic British joke. Stand up comedians do it all the time insulting other nations, making fun of the audience. That's how Brits do jokes.
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Oh come on, TS, you take TG too seriously. I've watched that episode, and the one where the Kelisa gets bombed, and where they tested a Kelisa around a slalom course and Jeremy almost threw up in it.

It's a fricking joke, they can afford better, lucky them. I don't take them seriously, at least we all know, the car is at least road worthy. Let them make fun of our cars, it's classic British joke. Stand up comedians do it all the time insulting other nations, making fun of the audience. That's how Brits do jokes.
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hallo...the ncap 3 star is not given by TG/jeremy/stig or whatever... google it up... the proton impian/waja did indeed get a ncap 3 star ratings from the european crash test agensy and that's a fact, it has nothing to do with TG or british insulting other nations... google for prove...

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no proton car can withstand the Ncap crash test anyway... even the most solid waja got bang up pretty shite.
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What I was trying to say was the sole purpose of them condemning Malaysian/Korean made cars was purely for entertainment and should not be taken too seriously. They do that to Communist cars as well. Trust me, they are biased towards their own, brit cars, also Germans. From 2002 to 2008, every one of their "Car of the Year" awards goes to either a German or British car, or a company that is owned by wither of the two nations.

Yes I know the 3 fricking stars was not given by TG, WTH? The point is, most of it is for entertainment.
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Feb 16 2009, 10:17 PM)
What I was trying to say was the sole purpose of them condemning Malaysian/Korean made cars was purely for entertainment and should not be taken too seriously. They do that to Communist cars as well. Trust me, they are biased towards their own, brit cars, also Germans. From 2002 to 2008, every one of their "Car of the Year" awards goes to either a German or British car, or a company that is owned by wither of the two nations.

Yes I know the 3 fricking stars was not given by TG, WTH? The point is, most of it is for entertainment.
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huh, you mean the 3 star for the waja is for entertainment...wtf???
yes I know they're bias but the 3 star has nothing to do with bias, its a fact...
sure, they are bias,everyone is... but its undeniably true that those german cars are good. some very good...

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What la u guys, this small topic also want to get angry and want to kill each other, just like the malaysia politicians. Cool, sit back and have a yumcha where u can discuss about cars open-minded. We have passion for cars, not have passion to quarrel with each other. Haih.

back to the topic, Top Gear is just an entertainment. Why so serious?
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You still don;t get my point. Them British are smart, they take a fact and turn them into a joke!! doh.gif

Ya heavencloud, exactly it's entertainment. TS should look at Brit jokes and stand-up acts more and see for himself why the Brits is considered to have the best sense of humour in the world.
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You still don;t get my point. Them British are smart, they take a fact and turn them into a joke!!  doh.gif

Ya heavencloud, exactly it's entertainment. TS should look at Brit jokes and stand-up acts more and see for himself why the Brits is considered to have the best sense of humour in the world.
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let just take Top Gear out of the fcking picture, it has nothing absolutely nothing to do with TG/brit/shit/humour/fckk....

proton waja/impian got a ncap 3stars rating from the European rating agency and its a fact right???

this means that proton waja safety sucks lala BIG shit hole BIG TIME...FCKK!!!...
which means proton sucks!!!
my opinion anyway...
the end... biggrin.gif

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Fifth Gear doesn't do it, I was in Australia and in a motorshow I overheard a teenager asking his dad to buy him a Satria GTi. It's not all bad.

One bad example and you're giving a whole company a hard time. Okay then, recent Ferrari models (599 GTB if I'm not mistaken) not too long ago catches flames all of a sudden because of a minor fuel line defect which they somehow missed in their extensive quality testing. I'd say, FERRARI SUCKS??

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Fifth Gear doesn't do it, I was in Australia and in a motorshow I overheard a teenager asking his dad to buy him a Satria GTi. It's not all bad.

One bad example and you're giving a whole company a hard time. Okay then, recent Ferrari models (599 GTB if I'm not mistaken) not too long ago catches flames all of a sudden because of a minor fuel line defect which they somehow missed in their extensive quality testing. I'd say, FERRARI SUCKS??
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lol, you're still talking about shows...and that not a bad example, its completely unrelated...

if other car manufacture can get good safety ratings proton should as well what does safety has to do with ferrari? wtf...

okok I get it, you like proton, go to proton fanboys club, they have your lot over there...bye...
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i like tis thread.. especially the top gear review.. u see from youtube. lolx. they do some test for our local car. lolx~

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lol, you're still talking about shows...and that not a bad example, its completely unrelated...

if other car manufacture can get good safety ratings proton should as well what does safety has to do with ferrari? wtf...

okok I get it, you like proton, go to proton fanboys club, they have your lot over there...bye...
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That motorshow I was talking about was the Brisbane motorshow, not a TV show(Fifth Gear yes). Imagine an Aussie wanting a Proton, so what do you think about that? They even have a GTi club, the Jumbuck(Arena) also gets good reviews. The Waja is actually quite a popular model and was offered as one of the grand prize in Wheel of Fortune Australia.

Nope, I don't like Proton, or any other malaysian manufacturer. The only prob I see with Proton is they sell cars as if they are white goods, that's it.
Proton is at least road worthy, significant improvements can be seen today and you have chosen to ignore that.
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im proud dat malaysia has its own car manufacturers, unlike other countries. if some ppl dun like proton, den y dun u make a report and shut down proton.. u tink about it if we dun haf proton wat would dis country b??
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Feb 16 2009, 11:03 PM)
That motorshow I was talking about was the Brisbane motorshow, not a TV show(Fifth Gear yes). Imagine an Aussie wanting a Proton, so what do you think about that? They even have a GTi club, the Jumbuck(Arena) also gets good reviews. The Waja is actually quite a popular model and was offered as one of the grand prize in Wheel of Fortune Australia.

Nope, I don't like Proton, or any other malaysian manufacturer. The only prob I see with Proton is they sell cars as if they are white goods, that's it.
Proton is at least road worthy, significant improvements can be seen today and you have chosen to ignore that.
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stop talking about shows ok, this thread obviously is out to bash proton/perodua, sure a lot a ppl who drive these cars...but they are poorly build.

so
1. govgay help (x)
2. 25++yrs time (x)
3. high tax on competitor cars (x)

all these help and proton still is proton, no improve, max give them 10 yrs but no improve much wasting tax ppl money...

if proton can sell a car on par with toyota withoout protection then proton can finally claim its place on this planet...

but 25++ yrs with all the help still cannot, why still waste time, many ppl know they will never be as good as toyota/honda let alone the germans
so stop feeding blood to a vampire that must die...
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stop talking about shows ok, this thread obviously is out to bash proton/perodua, sure a lot a ppl who drive these cars...but they are poorly build.

so
1. govgay help (x)
2. 25++yrs time (x)
3. high tax on competitor cars (x)

all these help and proton still is proton, no improve, max give them 10 yrs but no improve much wasting tax ppl money...

if proton can sell a car on par with toyota withoout protection then proton can finally claim its place on this planet...

but 25++ yrs with all the help still cannot, why still waste time, many ppl know they will never be as good as toyota/honda let alone the germans
so stop feeding blood to a vampire that must die...
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I don't think gov really want to protect Proton by imposing high tax, its the income they generate from the tax. Protecting Proton is just an excuse to justify the high tax. And also to go income to cronies via the AP system.
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QUOTE(ridox_orimabu @ Feb 16 2009, 10:14 PM)
no proton car can withstand the Ncap crash test anyway... even the most solid waja got bang up pretty shite.
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The only car tested in the EURO NCAP is the Waja, otherwise all Proton cars since the Waja, all are tested inhouse using NCAP criteria, this is one such example :

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Feb 16 2009, 11:34 PM)
I don't think gov really want to protect Proton by imposing high tax, its the income they generate from the tax. Protecting Proton is just an excuse to justify the high tax. And also to go income to cronies via the AP system.
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Even if the government remove tax now, i am sure that the high price of car will still remain, due to considerations of the automotive industry like the second hand value and also, the banking industry which gives out loans...

Not to mention as you said, it is the source for government coffer....

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wahhh thanks for the picture! lovely! biggrin.gif


Added on February 16, 2009, 11:47 pmn if gov remove tax, others will hike. for an instant, a coke of can = Rm10. hahahahah~

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TS, grow up plz...


u have the mentality of an ass


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wahhh thanks for the picture! lovely! biggrin.gif


Added on February 16, 2009, 11:47 pmn if gov remove tax, others will hike. for an instant, a coke of can = Rm10. hahahahah~
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now roadtax for 1300cc is RM90.. expect RM500 if goc remove tax.. oil price sure will be up..



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actually wat u expect from our malaysian made cars?

ask yourself..

we cant blame proton nor the government.. is the malaysians that still rely on the government..

its our mentality.. blame no one,,

bashing up proton only effect our local economics.. whats good to you? TS?
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well this is a thread to bash proton/perodua... and yes, even removing tax the price of toyota probably gonna remain the same fcking high...

so lets just keep on bashing the shit tin cars!!! keep the bashing coming and yes the fact remains that proton/perodua are shit tin cars we can all argue till death comes a proton/perodua kis still = shit...

so here's my prove on why proton/perodua are shit tin shit fckk cars...I'm sure many will agree that buyer choices equal to a better cars, its like a vote, the more vote a cars get the better it is... it is after all a lot of money to buy a car...

so let's say IF a vios/city/swift price is equal to new saga/myvi/savy shit tin cars...its probably a guaranty 99.99% of ppl gonna pick the vios/city/swift... only a dumb fck gonna pick a proton/perodua fart can shit tin cars... so they you have it the on why proton/perodua are shit tin fart cans...

ya I know nothings gonna change, but I like to bash proton/perodua fart cans...what I hear somebody object#@!!!!! like I give a shit...you don't like it, go to the proton/perodua fag clubs to spew ur shit there, yaya, keep telling yourself that your shitcans are good, as if ppl will believe...even a lala mui probally knows... biggrin.gif

oh yeah, I hope somebody steal the new saga shit with a paper clip, ya, real good quality, a paper clip and start a car...


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but malaysian are quite brainless and thus this thread... epic fail it is...


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why not to shuv the processor up ur a$$???


all of this is the TS post history,


man... this kid is just.. sweat.gif

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The only car tested in the EURO NCAP is the Waja, otherwise all Proton cars since the Waja, all are tested inhouse using NCAP criteria, this is one such example :
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So the result is??? anyway if its tested inhouse??? wtf I think most ppl including me gonna doubt it till its tested on ncap...
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"We don’t know what Malaysian motorists did to upset the gods, but it must have been something pretty serious, judging by the punishment they seem to be getting."

yeah it's a punishment .... life is difficult in msia, buying a car is even worst
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all of this is the TS post history,
man... this  kid is just..  sweat.gif
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lol, you really do hate me...going through all that trouble... keep your hate coming its quite funny...by the way proton/perodua are fckk shit tin cans car, you probably drive one of these junk for you to hate me so much, so pitty ar... ohwell...


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what the point?? saga blm 2nd batch already got built in immobilizer in their alarm system just like perodua myvi and proton persona. Hot wiring any car can start but how long can it moved? TS can you do it yourself hot wiring your's father car... post your video here brows.gif

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hey thanks for digging up my post man!!! I didn't know I was so creative... its quite funny actually reading my past post...lol...
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QUOTE(-҉- @ Feb 17 2009, 01:54 AM)
lol, you really do hate me...going through all that trouble... keep your hate coming its quite funny...by the way proton/perodua are fckk shit tin cans car, you probably drive one of these junk for you to hate me so much, so pitty ar... ohwell...
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no.. u r a racist, angry , sabah kid who are spoiled by his not so rich parent..

U r mad because u r not as rich as those rich people..

U want to be a rich guy but u dun want to work hard

so what do u do?

u complain n complain n complain


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hey thanks for digging up my post man!!! I didn't know I was so creative... its quite funny actually reading my past post...lol...
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I have to do it for myself... U r quite an angry kid..

but I know u dun have any friend in the real world because of ur attitude..

grow up and just kill urself

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post Feb 17 2009, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Feb 17 2009, 01:58 AM)
no.. u r a racist, angry , sabah kid who are spoiled by his not so rich parent..

U r mad because u r not as rich as those rich people..

U want to be a rich guy but u dun want to work hard

so what do u do?

u complain n complain n complain


Added on February 17, 2009, 1:59 am
I have to for myself... U  r quite an angry kid..

but I know u dun have any friend in the real world because of ur attitude..

grow up and just kill urself
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huh where did I say I want to be rich ah???...me angry no lah, I like to bash proton/perodua only...

oh yeah ur nazi avatar not so great either...

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post Feb 17 2009, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(-҉- @ Feb 17 2009, 02:01 AM)
huh where did I say I want to be rich ah???...me angry no lah, I like to bash proton/perodua only...
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U wish u r rich but u r not..


no... according to history post..

u bash other people with harsh words..

using the word " f*cking" doesn't make u a cool guy


Added on February 17, 2009, 2:05 am
QUOTE(-҉- @ Feb 17 2009, 02:01 AM)
huh where did I say I want to be rich ah???...me angry no lah, I like to bash proton/perodua only...

oh yeah ur nazi avatar not so great either...
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it's not a nazi symbol..

it's the symbol of german airforce in 1930 - 1940 era aka the famous "Luftwaffe"

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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Feb 17 2009, 02:04 AM)
U wish u  r rich but u r not..
no... according to history post..

u bash  other people with harsh words..

using the word " f*cking" doesn't make u a cool guy
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bro.. we all also knew that this kid is just want some attention. in the real life, he is just a lonely, cast away from the society, and might possibly a hikkikomori. Ignore him and he will die out loneliness coz no one want to layan him biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Feb 17 2009, 02:04 AM)
U wish u  r rich but u r not..
no... according to history post..

u bash  other people with harsh words..

using the word " f*cking" doesn't make u a cool guy
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blah blah blah, who cares who's rich and who's not...

the point is proton/perodua are shit fart cars...

haha... I really got to you..lol so angry man untill you want to close this thread, and you call me angry??? yaya ignore me if you can hahahahaha.....
so when I say proton/perodua a fart cans you're gonna come back to bash me I know u will....hahahahah....

lol user posted image

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QUOTE(-҉- @ Feb 17 2009, 02:08 AM)
blah blah blah, who cares who's rich and who's not...

the point is proton/perodua are shit fart cars...

haha... I really got to you..lol so angry man untill you want to close this thread, and you call me angry??? yaya ignore me if you can hahahahaha.....
so when I say proton/perodua a fart cans you're gonna come back to bash me I know u will....hahahahah....
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blush.gif me driving shit car everyday?? doh.gif
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QUOTE(-҉- @ Feb 17 2009, 02:08 AM)
blah blah blah, who cares who's rich and who's not...

the point is proton/perodua are shit fart cars...

haha... I really got to you..lol so angry man untill you want to close this thread, and you call me angry??? hahahahaha.....
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I want the mod to close this thread because it's a basically a bashing theard ( said so by TS himself)

F&F is a discussion board not a bashing board

like always, the mods are useless


Added on February 17, 2009, 2:13 amok.. I'm gonna follow heavencloud's advice..

I'm gonna ignore u from now..

gud luck with ur hate..

drive safely




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QUOTE(Invader Zim @ Feb 17 2009, 02:11 AM)
I want the mod to close this thread because it's a basically a bashing theard ( said so by TS himself)

F&F is a discussion board not a bashing board

like always, the mods are useless


Added on February 17, 2009, 2:13 amok.. I'm gonna follow heavencloud's advice..

I'm gonna ignore u from now..

gud luck with ur hate..

drive safely
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you mean I can't bash shiity stuff, shit is shit man.. and how come when you search my history you dint post my nice point about the quality of the 308 which is a nice car by the way....

shit is shit.
nice is nice. that's all all facts of life, don't like it go join a group that share ur view instead of imposing ur proton/perodua is good mentality... I didn't try to impose my view on you, you like proton/perodua, its fine, go somewhere that share ur view... you're just like the army on ur avatar then, things you don't like you blow it up...

this is a thread to bash proton/perodua!!!!

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this thread has yet again demostrate on why the post counts has been removed. By the time sleepwalker see this, expect this thread to be closed as it is a baseless thread.
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Feb 17 2009, 02:31 AM)
this thread has yet again demostrate on why the post counts has been removed. By the time sleepwalker see this, expect this thread to be closed as it is a baseless thread.
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haih..and yet there are still a minority of us real petrol heads who still hang out to discuss real car issues.TS should be banned for contaminating FnF with his immaturity.
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QUOTE(-҉- @ Feb 17 2009, 01:52 AM)
So the result is??? anyway if its tested inhouse??? wtf I think most ppl including me gonna doubt it till its tested on ncap...
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So, you people going to ignore this photo?

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This crash test was reportedly done in IDIADA, Spain

Of course, this is not official Euro NCAP test, however, the facility (IDIADA) is officially sanctioned place to conduct official EURO NCAP test, therefore, the fact they sent models to Spain, even though it is not official test,nevertheless, this car has been crash test in a facility that is officially sanctioned by EU...

Want to bash, please bash with proof, while i have to say, Proton cars in the past has poor crash performance, the same cannot be said to recent Proton cars such as Savvy, Saga and Satria Neo...

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the cars pass the world standard for safety measures up to their respective car type.

not all people in this world had the money like Jeremy Clarkson mind you.

try giving a small amount of money to someone just fit to buy a car like kelisa or even kenari, and u got no other option since u dun have enough money to spend. which would they choose?

a bike? the car? or just rather using public transport?


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TS u can bash anything u want but do it positively,politely,and of coz intelligently, give your comment with fact..

obviously u know nothing and only able to throw your harsh words.

Seriously u look so not cool to most of us here, ppl usually bash something so he/she will looks cool, but obviously u fail to make it happen.
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this TS guy obviously hold grudges against proton cars.. most probably he was hit in the head by a Proton car when he was small until his brain becomes like this... shocking.gif
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Hey, where are the mods? Seems like they're ignoring this kind of thread.

Btw, TS might be Johnkor's best friend lol
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k enough. closing thread.

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