QUOTE(Ninja @ Jul 16 2010, 12:11 PM)
I think Quickfire meant the train.And I too believe that if you die in a dream
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Jul 16 2010, 12:16 PM
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Jul 16 2010, 06:07 PM
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I just watched it again and I must say I didn't feel like I missed much the first time around. My interpretation of the ending is pretty much the same.
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Jul 16 2010, 08:36 PM
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There is one interpretation where Mal was the one right all along.
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Jul 16 2010, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(ksp_tech @ Jul 16 2010, 08:46 PM) I just want to tell you up front that I reported you. And I quoted you so moderators can see clear clear. Cheers. Added on July 16, 2010, 9:40 pm QUOTE(Ninja @ Jul 16 2010, 09:34 PM) Back from 2nd-viewing. That ending is definitely plausible. Or Saito didn't even need to And the ending; » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Jul 16 2010, 09:40 PM |
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Jul 16 2010, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE(BelowAverage @ Jul 16 2010, 09:44 PM) When Cobb isn't looking, WE ACTUALLY SEE IT'S IN PERFECT BALANCE indefinitely. I personally feel that he's accepted that the » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « will be where he's happiest. I just wanted to add, for the people arguing that the kids didn't age much as a point as to why the end » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Jul 16 2010, 10:10 PM |
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 17 2010, 12:31 AM) Perhaps the limbo state is... shared? It doesn't make sense to me, they could share dreams because they were connected to the same device, but there wasn't an device that, uhm... connected Saito's and Cobb's deaths. Hopefully the answer is in there somewhere. They both That's how Nolan was able to convince the studio to grant him $200 million- he promised to make it so dense with details that people would simply have no choice but to watch it two, three, four times to fully comprehend it! Anyway, dying in your dream doesn't wake you up. There was once when I died in my dream, and then I simply floated around watching everyone else, exactly like what happens when you die in online shooters liek Counter Strike and the free cam kicks in. That was a nice dream. I no-clipped everywhere. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Jul 17 2010, 06:02 PM
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Jul 17 2010, 06:56 PM
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Aeroplane was most probably real unless you support the theory that Mal was right all along.
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Jul 17 2010, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(Mido_Ban @ Jul 17 2010, 07:47 PM) This movie is really Why would you need English subtitles for an English movie especially if you're watching it in the cinemas when dialogue is clear?so far i think is the best movie for this year... by the way i like the guy who cheated the girl for a kiss haha~ (forgot his name) Arthur. |
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Jul 18 2010, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 05:45 PM) Just came back from watching it again. Having known what to expect, I liked it a lot, but I think it's far from a masterpiece. There are some strikingly original ideas in the film. There are multiple interpretations, all of which provide a good debate. You might say the whole thing was real, from start to end. Or you could say the ending wasn't real. Or, it could be he never really woke up after testing the strong sedatives in Yusof's dream-addict centre (remember, he didn't manag to spin his totem upon "exiting" his dream. Of course, this particular interpretation is the most unsatisfying one). Heck, the whole thing from start to end could all be a dream, and Mal did actually wake up by jumping off the window. It's really good. I've seen it four times already and I must admit I am beginning to see what you're seeing. For a film which is based on dreams and imagination, a lot of the film is rather unimaginative, especially in the third level. Although the film explicitly explains why the the dream world cannot be altered much, it feels that some of these rules restrict the film rather than help it. The first and second levels had some serious shit with the train and the free-falling sequence though and do make up for it.That being said, I think this was also a missed opportunity. Having less info to process while watching this time around, I was struck by how a lot of the film was so uninspired visually. We're talking about dreams here, and the only times when we see how imaginative the mind can be, how utterly weird dreams can be, are in the early stages of the film when we see Paris folding onto itself and bridges being erected magically, all of which happen when Cobb is teaching Ariandne about the dream world. When it comes to actual dreams, it can look very pedestrian, shifting gravity notwithstanding. Take the snow mountains for example, was there anything in there, anything at all that didn't look like it was taken from a standard action blockbuster? Anything that says this is a film about dreams where rules are bent? Anything that was even a little bit different? All we get there are endless scenes of Eames arming and planting explosives everywhere while taking down generic henchmen in the most unimaginative of ways. How exciting. This film will never be a masterpiece because of this entire sequence. In fact, the whole action portion was unnecessary, and serves nothing to the story. I can understand why they are included though. One word: padding. This being the third dreem level, time is even slower, and they need to show the characters doing something to fill up the time. As I said, padding. And a woefully realized one at that. The film has great ideas, but some of them are executed in a very plain manner. Ironic, really. In the end, I think the concept and ideas really make this film. I won't hesitate recommending it, by all means go see it, but a former forummer here (kobe and makekeke will know who I'm talking about P/S: I still find it hard to grasp the concept of limbo. I now think Cobb and Mal, while exploring the dream world together, never actually dropped into limbo, but rather lapsed into it. In fact, Cobb didn't for once think the dream was real. Only Mal was convinced, over a long period of time, that the dream was reality. In essence, she slowly slipped into a limbo state of mind. I don't think they tried killing themselves and thus going into limbo. This begs another question, since heavy sedatives were used, why didn't killing himself on the train tracks send Cobb into limbo? Someone more knowing please answer, or I'm going to start thinking several concepts in the film are simply too ambiguous to be considered anything more than vague concepts. However, I still stand by my rating; 10/10. This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Jul 18 2010, 06:27 PM |
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QUOTE(mkei87 @ Jul 18 2010, 06:29 PM) movie sucks man.all about dream.people enter into people's dream.dream into dream. damm boring.i wanna go out of the cinema instead.luckily it's only 9.00.wasted 9.00. dark night director always the losers.i hate dark night directors now.they always create boring n don't noe what is all about movie.i give this movie 3/10.1 for action 2 for funny.always talk about 3 layers of dreams.suckssss Haters gonna hate. ![]() This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Jul 18 2010, 06:32 PM |
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Jul 18 2010, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 18 2010, 06:36 PM) nolan take $200 millions from the studio and instead of making a sequel or movie base on book/comic/toy he make a original concept movie that are not dumb down, how many other director can do that? James Cameron did that and made 2billion USD. How many directors can do that? |
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Okay maybe I'm flattering James when I said he didn't 'dumb down' the film but still....
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Jul 18 2010, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jul 18 2010, 06:45 PM) Not sure why we need to ask Nolan to do it any differently. He's never been a Burton type of director that relies on visual splendors. The film is a thriller heist and the generic settings is required here. Then there'd be no need for them to have dreams if everything was going to be generic. Much of the film's action was pretty much a waste of time the forth time I saw it. Like Quickfire said, it's padding. What was the purpose of the armed projections other than to 'provide gunfire'? |
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 18 2010, 06:54 PM) or avatar's plot being something orignal Nolan is already part of Hollywood's elite. No doubt. He can make The Last Airbender and people will still see his shit.but seriously director like James Cameron and Spielberg have massive clout in hollywood for their track record to making hits ofter hits, nolan is still a new comer to being a hollywood elite, making a movie like inception is really a big risk for his career, if the audience cannot appreaced it he will find it hard to launch new project with this kind of budget after he exist the batman franchise. |
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jul 18 2010, 07:09 PM) The idea is that there are corporate saboteurs who can infiltrate your dream to steal or plant ideas. To accomplish this, you need to create a setting to convince the subjects that they arent dreaming. Creating anything remotely bizarre would jeopardize the entire mission. So altering the world as we know it is not really an option. Like I said, the film's own rules may have hindered the film.The purpose of armed projections was to create a sense of danger and villains i suppose. I do however agree that the snow part is a bit of a letdown. There isnt much going on here other than shoot em up. |
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Jul 18 2010, 10:49 PM
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I am tempted to reduce my rating to a 9/10 but 4 screenings in 4 days is f***ing mad. I'll let the film settle and I'll decide when the BD is out.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 11:04 PM) Yeah that was mad so what made you do it? You had the movie wear you down even before you could fully understand the plot! Actually no. I had my own interpretation by the end of my second screening. But I enjoyed the film so much that I decided to watch it again (third time). And after that I still enjoyed it and wanted to give it a second 'full' viewing. And then, the 'hollowness' hit me. But like I said, 4 screenings is mad and I'd think it'd be fair to let it simmer before having another go at the film.Still, as it stands, I think this is the best film of the year (Shutter Island, Kick Ass and TS3 are the only 3 other films I remember being any good this year!). |
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Opened 60.4 million USD for the weekend. I expected 65
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