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post Jul 14 2010, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Jul 14 2010, 05:35 PM)
Here's a thought to ponder:

If Nolan didn't do the Batman Series, do you think that Inception would get the hype it has now?
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probably not, and he won't have $200M to spend even though he managed to get this project going
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post Jul 16 2010, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 16 2010, 12:26 PM)
Yeah that was what made me think, at first, that you get back to reality from limbo by killing yourself. But they had to show that shot of them being really old later in the film, and that confuses things.
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definitely the best movie of 2010....and i was waiting for that thing to fall in the end, and it just suddenly end like that....i was like...wth?? shocking.gif

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post Jul 16 2010, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(sayming @ Jul 16 2010, 07:43 PM)
Overall a Superb movie. Very mind boggling.
A little dissapointed that everyone else's totem was not given much attention and detail other than Cobb's.
Not sure if I'll watch it the 2nd time tho...
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post Jul 16 2010, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 16 2010, 08:36 PM)
There is one interpretation where Mal was the one right all along. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 16 2010, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 16 2010, 10:27 PM)
I think sedatives are used in every instance of extraction, only the dosage varies. You wont get kicked out by death when a high dosage of sedatives is involved. You go into limbo.

Also, I dont think showing them as old people was only a visual effect. If memory serves me right Cobb did say there was a shock when they found themselves looking young again.

Anyway, I'm getting more confused the more I think of it. Near the end, when Saito dies and goes into limbo, Cobb and Adriadne connects the device to him and goes into his limbo, right (tell me if I'm wrong, can't remember well)? How come Saito's limbo is filled with the remnants of Cobb's city he built when he was stuck in his and Mal's own limbo?

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i don't think so...sedatives are only for the "dream within dream" heist because it gets exponentially unstable when you go deeper

i think limbo is filled with remnants of a person's memory, so it explained why it has Cobb's city, and at the same time Saito's own palace

who is telling the story where the young Cobb and Mal was lying on the railroad? was is Mal who told the story?
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post Jul 16 2010, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(Ninja @ Jul 16 2010, 10:49 PM)
It was;

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post Jul 16 2010, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jul 16 2010, 11:20 PM)
jz watched it...
to me best movie of 2010...

and to me about the ending


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post Jul 17 2010, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 17 2010, 12:04 AM)
I'm pretty sure there's sedatives regardless. That's how they slip onto sleep that easily. This is a minor detail anyway, not really worth discussing.
Yeah, that crossed my mind. But I would like to know for sure, how all of this works. Things like this isn't supposed to be ambiguous. Things like this really bugged the hell out of my head during the movie. And it's all this thinking that makes the film so cold, as we don't have a chance to invest emotionally. I know there's an emotional centre to it, but trying to feel the emotions in this film is like trying to think how much you love your girlfriend while you're writing a math exam with really hard questions. laugh.gif Hopefully once I've seen this 3 or 4 times, and all the little details have been dealt with and I can disregard the very dense plot, the emotions will surface and I will actually have the chance to ponder about its themes.
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there was an emotional core, although i did not feel it that much either(due to the overwhelming concept of dreaming)....

yea, limbo was not very well explained (or just me who didn't pay enough attention tongue.gif )....
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post Jul 17 2010, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 17 2010, 12:31 AM)
Perhaps the limbo state is... shared? It doesn't make sense to me, they could share dreams because they were connected to the same device, but there wasn't an device that, uhm... connected Saito's and Cobb's deaths. Hopefully the answer is in there somewhere.
That's how Nolan was able to convince the studio to grant him $200 million- he promised to make it so dense with details that people would simply have no choice but to watch it two, three, four times to fully comprehend it!

Anyway, dying in your dream doesn't wake you up. There was once when I died in my dream, and then I simply floated around watching everyone else, exactly like what happens when you die in online shooters liek Counter Strike and the free cam kicks in. That was a nice dream. I no-clipped everywhere. laugh.gif
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post Jul 17 2010, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(Makakeke @ Jul 17 2010, 10:41 AM)
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Another area I don't really get is when Cobb and Ariadne went into the 4th layer to find Mal and Fischer. If they're both dead, aren't they supposed to be in limbo? And if they're in limbo, how is it possible for Cobb and Ariadne to find them? Anyone care to explain this to me? Plus the location is the world where Cobb and Mal created isn't it, how did Mal and Fischer ended up there? They're only a projection of Cobb?
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post Jul 17 2010, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 17 2010, 11:49 AM)
If one dies in limbo, does he wake up in the preceding dream world or reality?  My memory is real fuzzy on this, but Cobb killed Fishcer in Fischer's limbo right? And that made him wake up on the icy mountains dream level, in which he then confronted his father. So dying in limbo should only wake you up one level up, right?
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i think its the preceding dream level, it was not specifically mentioned in the movie


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post Jul 17 2010, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 17 2010, 12:06 PM)
OK, so in the end, when both Saito and Cobb decide to leave limbo, they end up, respectively, at the snow mountains lair (now in rubbles) and the van underwater. At this point, if they killed themselves again, what makes them so sure they wouldn't end up in limbo again? How dies it work out? Was the sedation running out? I dont think the movie really explains how to get out of limbo.

How did the other members get out of the dream? By the Kick, right? So a Kick would definitely... kick you out of a dream, while death... will put you in limbo. Am I getting this right? What happens if you give a Kick to someone who is in limbo? Does that wake them up? I suppose not, or the other members would have just done it on the plane to revive Cobb and Saito.

One answer leads to more questions. doh.gif
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i think both of them were connected in the van (they aren't in the snow mountains), so they will wake up in the plane IF they got out the limbo

depends on the strength of the sedatives being used, if its conventional one, then getting killed in the dream is strong enough to boot you out of the dream and awake, but if the sedatives are too strong (Yusuf's), then getting killed won't wake you, instead you will go into limbo (Yusuf did mentioned his sedatives suppress all senses except the inner ear sense--balance),so they need the big movement of body to upset the sense of balance to wake up
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 17 2010, 03:48 PM)
Watching tonight! Yay!

I heard some folks "watching it a second time" to "be clearer".  blink.gif
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the only thing i can say is this movie packed too much stuffs inside it, you will never get everything in 1 go (in fact, you won't even after several viewings), but most people liked it despite that
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post Jul 17 2010, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jul 17 2010, 04:05 PM)
i kinda get it in my first viewing...
nt hard to understand bt i did focus a lot (gf said i was holding her hand too hard at times lol)
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then i would say you have a powerful thinking/mind biggrin.gif

i kinda think that i got it when i walked out from the cinema, but after that when i start to recall....questions started to pop up....and i ended up awake until 5am rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Vengeance_Mad @ Jul 17 2010, 05:38 PM)
I think it's dream.
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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Jul 17 2010, 08:00 PM)
I would say dark knight ftw , but inception is pretty close.

Inception feels alot like eternal sunshine of the spotless mind and matrix which questions about reality. I didnt like the part where they always had to do a slow mo shot of the crew in the van falling down the bridge and shifting scenes to the other dreams. Doing once is ok, doing multiple times is very annoying and thats my main gripe with this movie.

I love the gravity shifting part and zero gravity.
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i think the meaning was to show the different speed of time in each level of dream

yea, they were literally fighting on the wall, ceiling and tumbling here and there...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jul 17 2010, 10:54 PM)
somehow i'm starting to feel Mal was right all along...

remember cobb said he and mal was experimenting a dream within a dream?
so the world that he n her build = lvl 2
then wut is the lvl 1?
the movie could be lvl 1 itself imho...
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yes that is a possibility....she did get out from the dream after she jumped from the building, and keep on coming back into Cobb's dream and tried to convinced him that he's in a dream
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 18 2010, 02:08 AM)
I wish the plot could be simplified as in laid-out-in-full-understanding order. Read a few pages back about

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I still cannot grasp the complexity but here goes:

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Maybe.
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QUOTE(rhoyo @ Jul 18 2010, 10:03 AM)
his father laugh.gif
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correction, Caine's character is Mal's father, hence Cobb's father in law laugh.gif
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 05:45 PM)
P/S: I still find it hard to grasp the concept of limbo. I now think Cobb and Mal, while exploring the dream world together, never actually dropped into limbo, but rather lapsed into it. In fact, Cobb didn't for once think the dream was real. Only Mal was convinced, over a long period of time, that the dream was reality. In essence, she slowly slipped into a limbo state of mind. I don't think they tried killing themselves and thus going into limbo. This begs another question, since heavy sedatives were used, why didn't killing himself on the train tracks send Cobb into limbo? Someone more knowing please answer, or I'm going to start thinking several concepts in the film are simply too ambiguous to be considered anything more than vague concepts.

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they did not used heavy sedatives when they are digging deep..at least it was not mentioned

limbo i think is a state of mind where you perceive as reality although you're dreaming, and its represent visually as a huge space

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