You have some points there. I dont think the idea of having trained mechanisms against extraction/inception is bad, I think it's great and very cool, what I do think was less than good was how they ran with that idea. The defense mechanism could have manifested itself in so many other different ways, it could have brought a visual touch to it, but Nolan decided to keep his generic faceless henchmen as his Bond fix. He has this fixation that everything has to be brought as close to reality as possible, even in dreams. It worked wonders in his other movies, especially The Dark Knight, where the superhero movie was brought perfectly down to a crime thriller level, never before seen. But here, the possibilities are endless! As I said the first hour of the film was marvelous, but the execution of some of the ideas after that was rather ho-hum. Let's just hope Inception has given him his own Bond kick and he doesn't actually go on and do an actual Bond movie.
Yes! I thought I heard them saying it was going to be Fischer's dream. They tricked him into believing they would be breaking into Browning's dream, and Arthur even said "We're going to use him to break into his own subconscious", or something to that effect. But later on in the dream itself, it seemed it was actually Eames' dream. Another confusing part.
Actually I dont anyone has come up with a wholly coherent and consistent story of Cobb and Mal. I *think* I remember him saying they were exploring deeper levels of the dream world, which would make my theory sound. They spent 50 years in the last level of the dream they dared venture in, Mal lost it there and lapsed into a limbo state of mind, Cobb kept count of the number of layers they were in, killed themselves and kept going one level up, but Mal, having been infected by Cobb's idea, would always think she would need to go one more level higher to reach reality.

Now, though, I think that theory is bust. Because I believe the dreamer of a particular level cannot venture deeper into the dream. Nash was the dreamer in the carpet level, and he wasn't in the level below that. Yusof was the dreamer for the level 1, and he didn't go in with the team into level 2. Arthur was the dreamer in level 2, and he wasn't in level 3. At the start, we see that if a dreamer leaves his dream level, the dream collapses. I believe if the dreamer isn't an active entity on his level, the dream will collapse. This would make sense if eames was the dreamer for level 3, but if as above Fischer was actually the dreamer, then the world should have collapsed when he went into limbo. Or something. I'm still not really sure how this dream world all works.

By the way, if you were to give a kick in level 1 to someone who was currently dreaming in level 3, would that wake him up to level 1?

I think supposingly, since she's the architect, she could only build the design of the dream. But that's pretty much it. That's how I understand the role so far.

Its like a real architect and a contractor.

Another way I remember you guys discussing is that while the dreamer can also be the architect, the problem would be that you would get confused into what is real and what is not.

But i don't get the concept of why the dreamer has to be someone else, and not just fischer.

The detonation was to bring Cobb and Ariadne back from Fischer's limbo most probably. It didn't really matter since Ariadne and Fishcer killed themselves to get out of there. I'm actually beginning to feel sick thinking about the plot.
The dreamer wont know the layout of the level unless he or she is taught by the architect.

That's because after the cafe blew up Cobb taught Ariadne the layout so she could replicate the city and experience her work first hand for the first time.

wrong... its Ariadne dream... thats why when she realised it was a dream everything around her explode..

cause they already pro ma.

its her dream, cause cobb ask her :" do you remember getting here?" then she realize its a dream and cant accept it, thats why everything torn apart.

just like fisher dream when they did operation mr charles, cobb told him that he is in a dream, and everything was going to crumble unless he accept the fact that he is in a dream

That and Cobb explicitly said to her : "Remember this is your dream, you created this world .. im the subject, my mind populates it .,"

cant wait for it to appear in dvd so i can watch more and try to understand this sophisticatedmovie,next month maybe?

hmm after the drug testing, he did not managed to test his totem (washing face in the toilet)...
and he was having visions...

any ideas on the time calculation?
10 secs
3 minutes
1 hour.

OR

1 week
6 months
10 years.

Mathematically, I don't understand how Level 2 would register a longer time in real life (5 minutes in Level 2 means 1 week in real life for example). Especially when Level 1 would mean shorter in real (1 hour in Level 1 means 5 minutes in real life).

Or is it just me?

I think that guy earlier needs to watch "Are you smarter than a 5th Grader?".

i guess the best way to get out of limbo is to realize that it is NOT reality and kill urself to go up 1 level?
that's my interpretation of it...
that includes that the sedative has stopped thus suicide works =p

The way I understand it, if you give someone a kick in level 1 while he is in level 2, it wakes him up in level 1. If you give someone a kick in level 1 while he's in level 3 or further down, he doesn't get up, because you first have to wake him up in level 2. Since Arthur was awake in level 2, the van's impact and plunge should have brought him up to level 1, no?

Now you're just making up your own rules

God... another thread created and what else

Same thing again 

Link:- http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1499369

Saito (Ken Watanabe)
1. Crushed by a collapsing ceiling in the opening fortress dream, after Arthur’s “death” brings the whole place crashing down.
2. Shot by Fischer’s dream goons on Dream Level 1, then dies slowly across the two deeper levels. He finally expires after blowing up a bunch of dream baddies with a dream grenade in the ice-station hospital in Dream Level 3.
3. We see his old, withered hand reaching for a gun in Limbo, after Cobb comes and tells him that they’re dreaming. It is implied that he kills himself and brings himself back up.

this i wanna know if u people can explain..when saito got the gun, who he shot actually? himself, to bring him back, or Cobb...but I assume, Saito was dead in dream lvl 2..so if he shot himself in dream 3, he would still be dead right?

if he shot Cobb also...can Cobb wake up in previous layer/or previous previous? coz the ending was, Cobb was dreaming..is that a limbo?

Insomnia... that remake version under Nolan was just so-so. Nothing that great. But I feel is the least best under his helm...