Yes if your total purchase (including shipping) is above RM500.

No if you keep your total purchase is below RM400.

A bit risky if it is in the range of RM401-RM499.

Most of the time.... But cannot say confirmed la.. because you know la... they are inconsistent.

But so far, I never kena tax if below RM400.

Look at the numbers on the shorts...

It could be gold... hahaha...

Eh.. you crazy ah.. That white herbert chapman kit is stunning you know...

Hahahaha.. Maybe you're pissed because of your bad experience at R1 last time.. hehe..

OK.. if giotto's explanation is a bit hard to imagine... I'll give some photos as an idea on how the customs charge the taxes on your item, if your item is unluckily marked to be taxed...

If unfortunately you're item is taxed.. you will receive this nice form from customs:


Ah... the forms from customs..

Inside it.. there are tables and boxes.. bla bla bla..



OK.. to make them clear.. I've redrawn back the tables to highlight the important points:



If you are unlucky to have your parcel being flagged by the customs.. you will receive the forms from customs..

This form is for a purchase of 1 shorts and 2 different jerseys.

As you can see.. how they tax your purchase.. is per individual items.. But for this case her, for some reason I don't know why they group 2 different jerseys (1 england shirt and 1 man utd shirt) as together as one group, when both jerseys have different values. The jerseys in item 2 are £42.17 and £22.97, while the shorts in item 1 are £13.61.

One strange point about the customs is that they have their own exchange rate that I believe is inconsistent or inaccurate as the current rate. They show it in the forms:



Mind you, this was the rate back in June 2008, but I remember clearly that the rate was actually lower.

Another mind boggling fact is how the hell do they value the item's value? The shorts were actually £13.61 but if you multiply it with the claimed exchange rate (13.61 X 6.4912) you will get a different value as declared in the form (RM101.03). Same goes for the 2 jerseys. Somehow they valued it as 241.76954, then times 2 and then you have the value for the jerseys as RM483.54. Then they tax 20% from the 2 values (for Import Duty) and you will get RM20.20 for the shorts and RM96.71 for the 2 jerseys. So you will get a total of RM116.91 (RM20.20+RM96.71). That is just for the Import Duty which is 20%

Then there's the Sales Tax (under the Other Taxes Payable). There is no Excise Duty because these items doesn't fall under this category. Sales Tax as mentioned by giotto is 10%. I have no idea on how the hell did they get the value of the 10% sales tax, but from the example above, the total is RM12.12+RM58.02 = RM70.15

Then you add up both duty tax and sales tax (RM116.91 + RM70.15) = RM187.06

Then you add RM25 more as service fee to UPS (amazing huh).. so the tax to pay to UPS (we have to pay UPS because they paid for our behalf when they collected the parcel from customs in KLIA) is RM212.06.

Really painful...

*To the mods - I'm sharing this with you guys because this is not illegal. Customs allows us to learn about it, because it is our rights to know.. maybe you can go and ask further more on how do they tax goods... Remember, it is illegal NOT TO DECLARE items.. so I don't think you can try to trick the customs other than not declaring it (by smuggling it..) so the customs officer said it is ok for me to share this information. A good self education for us.

This post has been edited by schmeichel7: Aug 29 2009, 02:23 AM

Haiya...

If you ask me.. that is because of the kitman (albert morgan) or his staff's actions.

The rules are there. Someone asked me why the jersey sometimes has MUFC and sometimes hasn't. I've told you why. Again, if albert morgan accidentally provides a UCL version of the jersey to VDS.. what else can I say?

There are even replica issues of jerseys (adidas climacool) being worn by some players out there.. what else can I say?

Want to check with other experts? They will give you the same answer.

So you want me to tell you why? Because albert morgan or his staff prepared the wrong kit (or purposely did that.. for some reason) for VDS to wear. Is it illegal in EPL rules? No idea.. maybe. Why did albert morgan or his staff did that, I am not sure.. you can ask him hihi..

*Sometimes you guys ask me tough questions I can't answer.

This post has been edited by schmeichel7: May 25 2009, 09:51 PM

No problem.. I understand your concerns


No la eric.. yours is great as well.. I was just helping others to imagine haha..

And yes.. I also am not sure how they calculate the values in RM... again, a good rule of thumb is to ensure your purchases are below RM500. Better if below RM400... but again, we are not always correct because there were cases where people still got taxed... haih..

Maybe if someone working in customs can help explain all this...

No point asking the ebay seller to refund, it's pos malaysia's fault.

Damn.... how can the postman be so dumb to just pass the item to a stranger....

What if the stranger leaves a fake ic number?

Too bad but you have to settle this with pos malaysia.. and if they decide to refund, you might be disappointed because they will refund based on what is declared by the seller in the customs declaration sticker pasted on the parcel. Most sellers will declare a lower value to reduce risk of being taxed. But then..... it might cause you trouble if you want to claim for refund.

Haiya...

One of the reasons why kitbag are strict on declarations in their invoices is so that they are able to refund back to their customers easily and smoothly.

A good reason to buy from kitbag is, when your parcel goes missing.... kitbag are very easy to refund you back, given that you genuinely didn't receive your parcel at all later.

Opposite to ebay sellers... yes, they can under declare, but they are not easy to refund you back.


Yes, it is illegal. This is what the mods in LYN football lounge shouldn't allow us to post. So I am against it actually..

Care to share with us the link to the sales page at subside?

$82.49 in US Dollar or GBP?

The link you gave is dead.

Anyway, $82.49 USD = 287.477 MYR

So should be safe (hopefully)..

It is a repro by adidas, yes, but it is not 100% accurate.

Jerseyman is planning to let go one of his man united jerseys. If interested, here is the link:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1046935

Hello there. What kind of stuffs are you looking for?

If boots then they are a bit risky because of the weight + price.

I have not bought any jerseys from them yet but I think they can deliver to you using Royal Mail. Read the help section in the website: http://www.prodirectsoccer.com/staticfeature.asp?ART=2199

For more enquiries, just send an email to: customerservices@prodirectsport.com

For Malaysian astro viewers...

I subscribed a package from astro called 'Metro Package' that includes channel 732 which is Crime and Investigation channel (citvasia).


One of the shows that caught my eyes is a documentary series called 'Fakes'. There is part 1 and part 2.

To see a sneak preview of the documentary series, visit the links below:

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.as...=248&sTime=1200

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.as...=249&sTime=1200



What was discussed in the documentary show is how counterfeit products (yes.. including football jerseys) were produced in Thailand and China, how they were smuggled illegally distributed to western countries and how it effected the victims.. Don't just think that fake products are just jerseys or other materials such as designer handbags or watches.. but also fake medicine.

Fake medicines produced from China are very potentially harmful to the victims life.. it is a major problem in Nigeria.. There was this lady who is fighting to stop the distribution of fake medicines (almost 80% medicines in the market were counterfeited) and how her life and safety was threaten because of this.. Counterfeited medicines is the worst and most dangerous because clearly.. the victims will suffer if fake medicines were taken. Heck... It is also becoming a problem for chemists from UK who might not realized that they were supplied with fake medicines..

And to those who didn't know how bad fake jerseys could be.. it was documented that now fake jerseys are being produced by not just factories in Thailand but from neighbouring country Cambodia. And how sad it is when innocent girls being 'sold' by parents in debt to fake factory owners.. how they are chained and treated inhumanly like dogs (even being fed like dogs).. I guess what opened my eyes is how avoiding fake jerseys is another way to say NO to inhuman treatment and human trafficking that most of us might not know... Trust me, it looks brutal.

Now I know why I should say no to fake jerseys.

This post has been edited by schmeichel7: Jun 3 2009, 09:11 AM

That is another story..

But from what I saw.. people being chained to the factory machines, working 20 hours per day, being fed using dog bowls... totally inhuman.

It was found at one of the fake factories in bordering Thailand/Cambodia.

So who said supporting fake jerseys does no harm?

You can try using something called staindevil... but it might smudge more your number 7 and where to find the replacement? It's tricky.....


No it is not safe. They sell fakes.

Correct chcher. To be exact, here's the link: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/933093/+660#

Al-ikhsan/real one don't order and sell goalkeeper kits because they are reluctant to do so.. Maybe demand is not to high.. no other choice but to ebay or order from kitbag/united direct.

By the way.. something new to us..

From now onwards.. the stuff that we normally called lextra, is now rebranded with a new name....

It is called SensCilia....

Thanks to SportingID... damn.. hard to pronounce la the name.. and I'm so used to calling 'lextra'...

For more info: http://www.senscilia.com/


*Credits to plokoon for sharing this info

First don't leave any feedback first.

Second, pm the seller and tell him you want to return back the item and ask for a refund.

Third... no point raising this to Resolution Center.. it won't help...

You can read my own bad experience from the link posted at my siggy below.. you can see for yourself.

Care to share the link to the ebay sales page?

They will help in most cases if the item doesn't arrive. If to raise dispute that your jersey is fake (even though we all know it is) they won't help because they will ask you to look for confirmation from nike/adidas and they will not help because you bought it from ebay.. bla bla bla.. waste of energy.

Depends.. home treble jersey and prior were all made in UK. There were some one or two kits that were unique.. made in UK & manufactured in spain, ireland etc etc..

Later umbro kits were made in China (where they were no longer made in UK) and then nike came in and were made in morocco, portugal, indonesia, tunisia and so and so...

Don't rely on country manufacturing as a way to tell if a jersey is fake or not. Sometimes you need sharp eyes and experience to tell and also the normality of checking the washing tags, barcode sticker and also sizing info....