have you all heard about using cooking oil as engine oil alternative?

HERE's ONE OF MANY ARTICLE THAT I FOUND AND HEARD.

SO LAZY TO TRANSLATE IT.
LET'S READ IT IN OUR NATIONAL LANGUAGE.



Hari ni, kita akan mendengar pengalaman sebenar salah salah seorang pembaca blog ini iaitu Encik Amin dalam menggunakan minyak masak sawit sebagai minyak hitam kereta. Pengalaman ini dihantar sendiri oleh beliau melalui email dan sebagai tanda terima kasih, aku akan menyalinnya kembali untuk dibaca sebagai tatapan umum di hujung minggu ini.

Berikut adalah email yang dihantar:

Salam sejahtera dari saya sahabat baru semua,
Saya dah mula mengguanakan minyak masak kelapa sawit hampir seminggu. saya menggunakan proton wira 1.5 auto.alhamdulillah berkesan. di sini saya huraikan kelebihan dan kelemahan minyak kelapa sawit sebagai minyak enjin.

Kelebihan:
1.enjin jadi smooth gegila
2.kelajuan kereta berbeza bila di atas jalan, tak sedar tekan 100km sejam,kalau idak atas highway tekan 110km sejam,enjin kereta saya mula mengeluarkan bunyi yg agak kuat cam pakai turbo..walhal standard ja.tetapi bila pakai minyak kelapa sawit,enijn jadi sepi.
3.penjimatan minyak yang ketara, saya bergerak hampir 120km, hanya dengan menggunakan minyak petrol sebanyak RM10.tu pon saya guna minyak BHP.

Kelemahan:
1.minyak kelapa sawit hanya 90% di dalam enjin dan tetap kena tambah 10% minyak enjin kereta (beli yg botoi kecik kat ESSO), saya cuba biarkan enjin kereta tidak di matikan selama 1jam 30 minit, mula membuat enjin kereta semput.tetapi setelah di atas jalan ia kembali normal.
2.susah cina kat bengkel nak percaya bila kita pi tukar minyak ni, mula banyak soalan..penat nak menjawab..akakakkekekkaakkek

Itu sahaja saya nak kongsi pengalaman.
Antara kenderaan yang saya dah test :
proton wira auto dan manual
kancil
satria
proton saga
evanza 1.3
datsun lama

Motorsikal:
honda cup 70
ex5
kriss
RXZ

Itu sahaja..
sekian..wassalam

Sebarang persoalan leh email dekat email saya : aiztech@streamyx.com
-amin: alor setar

HYE FELLAS.

FOR YOUR INFO..

I'VE EXPERIMENTED MY CAR ALSO.

I USED MY 2nd CAR.

IT'S MY 06 KANCIL EXi850 175,000km of mileage.


i've pour 3 packet of cooking oil (minyak sawit) in my engine.
replace oil filter, petrol filter & spark plugs.
FYI my car already suffer oil leak (oil sump & flywheel oil seal).

after changing the oil.
i can feel instant the difference & effects.
1, smoother engine sound and feel.
2, lighter engine and more free revving
3, noticable fuel economy
(before TOWN DRIVING RM10=70km / HIGHWAY RM10=90km) (now TOWN DRIVING RM10=90km / HIGHWAY RM10=130km)
4, improved perfomance (increasing of pick-up & top)
5, oil still leaking like before. but can top up with lower cost
(before i use VTEC-LEV 10W30 4L = RM55, now COCONUT COOKING OIL = RM2.5/liter)
6, clutch slip reduced (it's slip because of the leaking flywheel oil seal, so the engine oil spoiled the clutch)

so far..
i've use it for a month.
already passing 1000km mark.
town + highway driving.
KUANTAN - KEMAMAN - KL - KUANTAN without any problem.

temperature level is stable.
idling stable.
crusing stable.
hill climbing improved (GENTING SEMPAH) (3person on full aircond 4th gear @ 80km/h)

the only one problem is SAKIT PINGGANG.



This post has been edited by peeche: Feb 10 2009, 01:39 AM

Photo plz..

wow, great, now we can throw away or Motul, Torco and Q8.
owning a GTR 35 was never cheaper! or more accessible!

i'll add pictures later.
i'm in my hometown now.

more updates coming soon.
i'm going to test it for a long haul.
already planning the journey now.
maybe KUANTAN - JB - KL - ALOR SETAR - KB - KUANTAN in one run for durability issue.
but need some budget fisrt (1 test car + 1 backup car follows behind +minyak sakit urat.hehe.)

p/s : thanks for PM & replies. (FYI just use coconut cooking oil. not vegetable oil or even corn oil ok.)

This post has been edited by peeche: Feb 10 2009, 02:13 AM

Cooking oil was used in Honda C70 on topgear b4

yup.
this thingy actually has been for a long time.
since i was i school.
people use it in "kapchai" race.

also putting something sounds like "naftalena" (ubat gegat/lipas) in fuel tank to increase octane.
instant HP produced.

if you in Negeri 9.
maybe you have hear about this coconut oil.
many people already use it as engine oil alternative.
just it's not been concerned by others.

some people mixed it with ordinary engine oil. an some doesn't,
i also didn't mixed it.
just pour coconut cooking oil.
it's because as i knew oil will not mixed each other in differnt vilocity.
the heavy oil will be at the bottom while the light one will be on at top.
as we mix ordinary oil with different vilocity also will produce smoke from exhaust.

i'll dig more info about it to share.
cheers~

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Added on February 10, 2009, 2:34 amif i own a GTR.
i'll would not do this ever.
even in my FD2 (still under warranty)

if i own a GTR. that means i have a lot of notes in my account.
so why thinking about this alternative way.
or ever not thinking about it just a little.

now also owning a FD2 already sick.
paying car loans and house rent.
plus getting married soon.


i'll do this on my kancil because at first i thinking about trasplanting the engine due to leaking here and there.
so if anything happen just change the engine. (halfcut bersepah-sepah)

but now feels like falling in love for second time with my kancil.
it serve me very well now.
maybe end up with replacing the leaking parts.

by the way.
maybe i'm going overhaul the engine if not changing it.
so we can see if the coconut oil produce an exesive wear or not.

This post has been edited by peeche: Feb 10 2009, 05:53 PM

interesting..take photo of the drained oil when replacing ..ive seen this online before,some guy used corn oil in his tractor or something.thought it was a hoax.also some rempits use used cooking oil as substitute for 2T

actually, i was being sarcastic.
corn oil will never protect your engine as a proper engine oil will. you'll be waiting for either
a) sludge to build up
b) insufficient cooling
c) engine seal cracks, hence the leaks. on an FD2.

you can't just use pure corn oil,

check these patents out;
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6531430/claims.html
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5888947.html

its a mixture of vege parts.

This post has been edited by kev da man: Feb 10 2009, 02:36 PM

huhu.
ya. dont use corn oil.

at first i buy corn oil to pour into the engine. (due to higher RM.. i tought it's better than cheap coconut cooking oil)
but guys from other forum says DONT.
just use ordinary coconut cooking oil a.k.a minyak masak sawit. (RM2.50 per packet / 1kg=1litre)

as stated in other forum after some research.
as knew.. coconut oil the the most synthetic oil (fact=ester are pure full syn ! group 5)
and high temp durability(fact=ester are most stable lube)

thats why.
don't want to use it in my FD2.
since it still under warranty summore.
surely void warranty.
need to wait another 2 1/2 years to try it.
if try it now and there's anything happen.


This post has been edited by peeche: Feb 10 2009, 05:58 PM

Okey,at first glance I thought it's some bullshit postings,
But a little bit of Googling for Coconut Oil Vegetable Oil as Engine Lubricant,especially as a alternative to "Fully Synthetic", started to open my eyes.

This post has been edited by pcdoctor_my: Feb 10 2009, 07:37 PM

use memang can use lah.... but whats the long term damage dat it will do to ur engine??...

"Okey,at first glance I thought it's some bullshit postings.."
this situation also has been through by me.
but ends up by trying it


hurm.
i didn't heard about vegetable oil before.
just coconut oil a.k.a minyak masak/minyak kelapa sawit.
it contain easter that is highly synthetic.

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Added on February 11, 2009, 12:10 amhye bro.
thanks for your comment.
if you have read my early postings.
that's why i dare to try.

we will knew if it produce long term damage to my engine later.
it's because i'm planing to overhaul the engine if i'm not changing the engine.
but need to wait la. (wait mileage reach 200,00km.. now at 175,000++ mark)


This post has been edited by peeche: Feb 11 2009, 12:10 AM

Well of course its not gonna protect your engine well, ppl who do it normally are experimenting, just plainly dont care or have their own reasons.

the reason i wanna see the drained oil pics is to see if its broken down aka coking.I find it interesting, considering the fact that so much is invested in lubrication and additives in even plain jane mineral oil and still there are ppl using cooking oil,even worse used cooking oil. (btw i dont see the diff in vegetable oil, minyak masak,coconut oil,palm oil..arent they all vegetable oil?)

Besides cooking oil seems less viscous which means their lubricating properties are close to nill at higher temperatures.All these are based on my own understanding and assumptions.It seems totally insane and impossible and yet i personally know a guy who has been using cooking oil as 2T on his TZM.

is this for real??!!!

can't wait for the photo
looking forward to it man... when will u coming back from hometown? (PEECHE)

This post has been edited by driver: Feb 12 2009, 02:29 AM

lol.
didn't chage the oil yet.
anyway willing to change it soon.
as the oil mileage reach 2000km.
now just 1300km.


as i knew. the 2T is pump together with fuel into the combustion to reduce the operating temperature since
it is 2 cycle operation.

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Added on February 12, 2009, 10:52 amwhat photo are you requesting for bro.?

the cooking oil pict.?
sure got. hehe.

engine pict.?
sure got but not the internal. (how to snap the internal pict)

leaking pict.?
also got.

oil drain pict.?
not yet change my oil.
but will change soon.

now always traveling using kancil then FD2.
due to experimenting issue.
so far.
no probs yet.


This post has been edited by peeche: Feb 12 2009, 10:52 AM

coconut oil is the most synthetic i think comparing to others...

well, we got ourself synthetic stuff, so y not find other stuffs tht is good for protecting our engine n blend it well, then juz pour it into ur engine

Peeche, here is my suggestion.

You should had taken photos of "BEFORE" and "AFTER" of the Camshafts,should be easy to take off the rocker camshaft cover on a Kancil.

Then we can see whether is there any "sludge".

If you are willing to go to the extra mile of this experiment, have your mechanic remove the oil pan sump completely when you change the oil, then you can see the cleanliness of the crankshaft and pistons.

or have Oil Analysis, though it will cost quite a bit and needs to find the lab in Malaysia.

or cut open your Kancil oil-filter and inspect the filter inside.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Feb 12 2009, 12:15 PM

I found this article, written by Thai university students

Vegetable-oil Testing as a Crankcase Lubricant in Small Diesel Engine[U]
http://tisd.en.kku.ac.th/tisd2008/data/TIS.../MEC/MEC_9T.pdf

If you are lazy to read through, goto page 4, "Concluding Remarks".

I think we need to add a bottle of "Oil Additives" for Vegetable Oil.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Feb 12 2009, 12:50 PM

err no bro,since in two stroke engines, theres no lubrication.the 2T is like engine oil to lubricate the moving parts to reduce metal on metal contact.

btw,check your dipstick..does the cooking oil show any signs of coking?is the colour still clean?any residue?

interesting topic that has been discussed in various local car forums. won't mind testing on my car if it's about to be scrapped or overhauled!

1st thing on my mind: isn't minyak (kelapa) sawit = palm oil, and not coconut oil?

what i've read about vege oil is that, local vege oil like coconut & palm oil are more saturated compared to others like corn, soya, canola, sunflower etc. oil. but being saturated makes them more stable during hi temperature, therefore it's more suitable for frying. mono- or polyunsaturated fats are more prone to break down into other compounds, and therefore less suitable for frying food.

so... being saturated oil could mean it withstands an engine's combustion heat better!

From what I heard from my dad , old race engines during the 50's were also lubricated with palm oil.

scared to use in my car though.

haha...i'm going to change my waja engine oil soon....wanna try those "coconut palm cooking oil" instead..i let u guys know how it perform later.

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Added on February 19, 2009, 3:25 pmi just change my engine oil to pure coconut palm cooking oil,change oil filter.engine more quiet even at high rpm,speed easily reach 160kmh for auto.even gain extra mileage on petrol,about extra 80-90km.engine pickup more powerful,press acceleration pedal not even quarterly,like pressing full pedal.

just change about 2 days...will inform later for long term.anyway,my car stock 4g18p (a)

This post has been edited by ibmlenovo: Feb 19 2009, 03:26 PM

Intereting, keep us posted, especially on the sludge build-up concern. Try checking yr dipstick often, as this is yr 1st time using it, to see whether there's any sludge build-up.

So, which brand of cooking oil did u use, Cap Buruh, Pisau, Giant, etc.? Or did u get those brandless pasar malam oil in 1kg packing transparent plastic bags?

woot... hehehe... anybody got camera?

i buy those transparent plastic bag cant remember what brand.

later i take picture to post here

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Added on March 10, 2009, 9:42 amsory guys.cannot continue updating with the palm oil project coz my car need to go overhaul already....minyak hitam already bocor n kena those sensor n wiring..engine died on the road but luckily infront of workshop...lotsa things have to replace....

This post has been edited by ibmlenovo: Mar 10 2009, 09:42 AM

Bocor caused by the palm oil...?

Since the engine will be stripped, ask yr mech to check the oil pan and see whether there's any sludge there, or at other parts of the engine internals.

not because of palm oil.it was leaking b4 that.
ok,i will ask my mech to check any sludge or internal parts condition.

now temporary have to use my father in law SAGA KRETA KEBAL (TANKER) to work

at CG forum, they have quite extensive discussion about this, they even got a list of their CG member that using cooking oil. below are the list.

1.
Nama : Pakwan
Kereta: Honda City
Minyak Masak Cap : Saji


2.
Nama : ExAvantz
Kereta: Alfa Romeo 2.5 v6
Minyak Masak Cap : Minyak Saji

3.
Nama : ExAvantz
Kereta: Alfa Romeo 1.7 Boxer
Minyak Masak Cap : Minyak Vesawit

4.
Nama : ExAvantz
Kereta: Waja Campro 1.6
Minyak Masak Cap : Minyak Seri Murni

5.
Nama : ExAvantz
Kereta: Skuter Suzuki VS125
Minyak Masak Cap : Minyak Saji

6.
nama : amaar
Kereta : chevrolete optra 1.6
Minyak Masak Cap : Seri murni ( 2000KM )

7.
nama : fariq
Kereta : wira injection 1.3
Minyak Masak Cap : Seri murni 50% ( 300K )

8.
nama : Moolaswiss
Kereta : Iswara Aeroback 1.3
Minyak Masak Cap : Seri murni

9.
nama : 12daily_pro
Kereta : Honda EK 1.6 Vtec Single Cam
Minyak Masak Cap : Seri murni

10.
nama: hydroxy
kereta :Honda EG si
Minyak masak :seri murni

11.
nama: zainul9
keta: saga megavalve 1.5
myk: seri murni, 2x punyulingan (dh hampir 2000km)
oil treatment: stop oil

12.
nama: esey
kereta: satria 1.6
minyak masak: Vesawit RACING!!!
oil treatment: bardhal 2

13.
nama: fariq
motosikal: modenas kriss 100
minyak masak: seri murni
oil treatment : tak de guna apa2 pun.

14.
nama: nazhif
kereta: waja evo
minyak masak: SAJI
oil treatment: stop oil


15.
nama: manizaj
kereta: Naza Citra
minyak masak: SAJI
oil treatment: Bardhal No 1(yg lmbut)

16.
nama: pak itam
kereta: saga orient
minyak masak: SAJI
oil treatment: stp cair

17.
namaak itam
kereta:wira
minyak masak: SAJI
oil treatment: stp pekat.....

18.
Nama : Sue
Kereta : Vios 2008
Minyak masak : Saji
Oil Treatment : NASA

19.
nama: hangkebun
kereta: Savvy
minyak masak: vesawit
oil treatment: ntah dah lupa(apa Race ntah)RM 18

20.
Nama: naj2921
kerete: Kelisa
minyak masak : Vesawit
Oil treatment: TIADA

21.
Nama : orazly
kerete : waja auto
minyak masak : saji
oil treatment : TIADA (baru test tanpa oil camne)


22.
Nama : buffet2
kereta: proton saga 1.3 01
minyak masak : seri murni (50%)
oil treatment : ada

23.
Nama : papat
motor: Yamaha 135 LC
minyak masak : Vesawit
oil treatment : stp

24.
nama : hantamsajala
kereta: tiara 1.0 1996
minyak masak ; peket (100%)
oil treatment ; tak taruk
dah sebulan lebih... enjin senyap... power... vroom dan sejuk je,,

25.
nama : hantamsajala
kereta: fiat brava 1.6
minyak masak ; peket (100%)
oil treatment ; tak taruk

26.
nama : rezekey
kereta: perodua rusa 1.6
minyak masak ; seri murni
oil treatment ; nasa

This post has been edited by lamir_loco: Mar 12 2009, 11:49 PM

Wow, some are even risking their Alfa Romeos to test palm oil! sri Murni & Saji seem popular, probably due to their lower prices among the 5kg pack cooking oils. Wonder which one smells better?

p.s. CG = which car club?

it's not actually car forum, Cari Gold. Com but minus the the spaces. everytime try to type normally in lyn forum, it change it to spaghetti monster or something. its under automotive subforum.

Wow you used it in waja and able to gain extra 80-90km mileage.Thats fantastic.My manual waja fc is killing me.But I prefer to wait for more extensive testing first.

The only thing I am concerned is cooking oil becomes less viscous at high temperature so the lubricating effect might be lost if your engine is running non-stop like during highway cruising.Furthermore, cooking oil oxidation property are not as robust as those of engine oil meaning it easily gets oxidise and becomes watery and changes colour.

yes,extra 80-90km mileage.but i control pressing pedal around 80-90kmh only.i already check with my tech,the palm oil color become light color and a bit "cair" if compare with engine oil thickness..not sure about this coz i just try it for a couple of days or so....

I did some brief googling, not sure whether this is correct, but palm oil's viscosity seems similar to that of 20 weight oil when hot. Maybe that's where the FC improvement comes from, i.e. lower drag from thinner oil.

anyone care to do an UOA?kekeke

That should be the main reason why alot of people feel better inprovements in FC as performance. Because of the lesser drag.

Its no different than using lighter weight rated oil in your car engine. It'll increase performance, but decrease necessary protection.

For example, fo Kancil, it is recommended for you to use 10W/30 oil for adequate protection. If one were to use 10W/40 or 20W/40, which is a heavier (aka more viscous) oil, you'll increase protection on your engine (more than needed), but decrease the performance and mileage on your engine because of the extra work the engine needs to work to overcome the extra viscosity of the oil.

Like wise, if you use 10W/20, you'll make the engine work less, but you'll increase wear and tear of the engine because the oil is lighter, and does not provide as much protection as the recommended weight.

If you guys want more FC or performance, why not use Singer oil? Its lighter than cooking oil. Sure will increase lots of performance. Just that your engine will die faster la.

Actually, the protection level doesn't increase with the oil's viscosity. More viscous oil may withstand higher heat than thinner ones, but the use of thicker oils actually increases wear!

This can happen when u use, say, a 20W-50 on a new engine instead of a more suitable 5W-30, which the new engine can use w/o any probs due to its tight tolerances. The 5W-30 will be thinner during both cold-start and when the engine has reached at its operating temperature. When an oil is thinner during cold-starts, it's easier to pump around the engine internals, therefore reaching metal-to-metal wear areas faster compared to the 20W-50 grade oil, effectively starting protection faster by minimising time for metal-to-metal contact.

Furthermore, engines which use 20W-50 oil- which has a thicker oil film compared to thinner oils- from the start will also force the gaps between moving parts to be bigger sooner, to accommodate the thicker oil film. So, ideally, when the engine is still new, we should start using the thinnest possible oil that doesn't cause noticeable oil consumption, and only "upgrade" to higher viscosities when oil is consumed noticeably. This way, we get the best FC, response & lifespan from an engine.

then why the hell the sc still forced me to use 15-50 engine, as 10-40 is oledi good for my car...

I guess our technicians are not that updated in lubrication technology... they still have the "thick = more protection, thin = less protection" mindset strongly reinforced by their sifu.

Campro engines still have 20W-50 as the recommended oil viscosity, while the CPS version is recommended to use 10W-30, according to a CPS owner. Another guy with the latest Lexus LX470 (Cygnus?) SUV told me the owner manual recommends 5W-20 grade oil. Maybe this applies more to temperate countries, we're probably more suited to W-30 grade. Some ppl hv used W-20 grade in our weather with no probs, while others experienced gradual oil reduction, even on a relatively new car.

Ur getting better mileage because your engine rpm is low...For example i drive from melaka to subang at
140-180km/h will cost me around rm45-50
80-100km/h will cost around rm20-25.. this is not because of my engine oil,its purely about what speed im doing at what rpm..

When monitoring the FC with the installation of new things or tuning, one should drive the same way and same routes as before for a few tanks so that we know the FC is caused by the new thing or tuning, and not the diff travelling speed.

ok guys.my waja just top overhaul,replace sensor's,timing belt set and others belt change.clean with dcarbo(2 bottle).spark plug and replace oil filter and put in pure palm cooking oil.gimme 1week time to see the difference when driving with palm oil.....i travel 60-70km daily...should be enuf to test this...

Eagerly anticipating your feedback

By the way, how much did the Waja's top set cost?

it cost me RM450.he did replace a few things inside the head,i cant remember what..

any good progress my friends?

cooking oil user maybe pening dy conrod bearing sudah makan need replacement a.k.a overhaul.. ekeke.

Palm oil definitely has lubricity, but what's lacking could be properties like anti-oxidation, anti-foaming, acid-neutralising, sludge-removal & suspension, etc.

so far engine bloody smooth n superb.engine more quiet.pickup very good.easily reach 0-100kmh.can chase n cucuk perdana v6 or satria gti on highway doing 160kmh.but this is also maybe coz i just top overhaul n change engine parts.anyway,cannot really tell about FC coz my fuel meter kaput already....huahuahua...i'll be back with more news later

Very interesting topic here.Would like to try it on my car but i'll wait for updates from u guys 1st.

agreed there bro. Normal cooking oil does not have the additives packages needed to protect the engine from wear, sludge formation and carbon build up.

Even if you add in bottle of additive sold aftermarket it still wont give you the exact performance like normal engine oil as we need adequate additive package to make it perform at optimum level; the key here is adequate % of additive. not too much , not too low.

maybe worth someone local go into research this stuff.later we could produce our own palm oil based engine oil

i am fully aware of this matter.i doing this to find out how far the engine can go with palm oil.after all i just top overhaul n replace some engine parts n my RB20 is ready to be transplant if my 4g18 kaput.....

I did read the reseach paper by Faculty of Engineering, Khon Kaen University, Thailand. The link is in previous post.

The engine they run failed on 64th hour continuous running after putting 15% extra load at 50th hour run. The deposition at inlet valve cause the engine to stop. Piston, block and piston ring is okay.

So means that cooking oil will damage the engine head due to clogging at head. So you need frequent change your 'engine oil' to avoid this problem, or put some engine oil additives.

It is good to learning some thing different, this myth proof that the engine can run with palm oil temporary with no problem.

So next time when the engine oil of your car is low and you are in hurry, you can fill up with palm oil for temporary use, then later send your car to service center to have correct engine oil change.

10x harder to find bloody palm oil than to drive to petrol station and pick up self brand engine oil

u can use palm cooking oil BUT need to change every 5k mileage or so.same as normal engine oil.a ask a few mech here already..they said it can be use.

Hope all member understand. Yes, the myth proof it can use in "temporary", but doesn't mean it can be like engine oil.

Palm oil is palm oil, it can't be use as engine oil, like others member say, palm oil like lag of additives like anti-oxidation, anti-foaming, acid-neutralising, sludge-removal etc.

We can't tell how much damage will it be to engine, we can't tell it by our own feeling, once we feel there is some thing worng to the engine, it will be already too late...

Imagine when you driving your car travel about 120km/h then the engine stop suddenly, do you think you can handle it? even you able to control it, but do the car behind you can do it too? think again

ibmlenovo,

sounds like yr mechanic has quite a number of customers who hv tried the palm engine oil?

Maybe palm oil can be mixed in with regular motor oil to get the various properties I've mentioned.

rcracer,

if you're near a hypermarket, then there's easily 10x more palm oil than motor oil available!

can be used with regular motor oil or just the palm oil.of course palm oil have no additives like regular motor oil.
from my xperience,engine smooth coz palm oil less thicker n i dont know why the engine temp is quite low.
after a while i found out that quite number of people using palm oil for years already.like i said....when the times come,really need to replace the oil n filter.most mech here not surprise when i mention using palm cooking oil.

did u mean already 175000 km on cooking oil?

that's fantastic man!

thinking of using in my car also, but only have 1 car, plus i'm a student, anything happen i won't afford to tanggung...cis

what me meant is 175k km is the car's mileage before he changed to minyak sawit.

oh my god.. cAn't believe. Takkan no scientist ever notice that?

sure got a reason why minyak sawit is not replacing the petrol until today!

Some scientist come explain quick.

dont u guys ever heard that nowadays there are companies that produced engine oil from pal oil??researched n manufactured already...googled la...

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Added on April 30, 2009, 3:05 pmyes...175k mileage b4 change to minyak kelapa sawit...now mileage is 206k

This post has been edited by ibmlenovo: Apr 30 2009, 03:05 PM

So far, do u notice any decrease in the palm oil level after a while? Concerned that it may evaporate or burn off due to it being thinner than engine oil.

1 word.

Fantastic.

no decreased..i always monitor once a week

Oh, good to hear that. Palm oil's flash point is quite hi, higher than some fully-syn oil, in fact! Maybe that's why it can resist burn off well.

i also find out that engine temp not high....engine fan take more time to function..already check with mech with computer,they said the engine temp increase quite slow.

Interesting... that means the engine temp is more stable and fluctuates less. The radiator fan motor gets to work less, last longer and drain less energy from the batt!

Wanna see how the engine internal parts (piston,valve,rocker arm,head,gasket etc) condition after using palm oil, click below.

Palm Oil in a 4g15 Engine

by the way, that's my car. DIY RND.

This post has been edited by fatani: Jun 6 2009, 12:59 AM

jambu, welcome to lowyat forum

wah.....bagus tu.......can save money buy cyclinder oil.........

minyak sawit can be used.. but without the properties of the engine oil, ur internal parts will kong faster..

Now only you noticed ka? kekekeke. Im more of a reader here at LYN. Not really an active forummer. Count my post.

My car keeps hibernating at the workshop la sky. trying to improve the previous setup. when will I ever get the 'cun'nest setup, donno lar . Pics taken during the diassembly of the head. i was expecting at least some wear and tear to the internal parts, but seems everything is looking good. Gosh, minyak masak, who doesnt doubt them? I know I do.

next 2 weeks when i return to melaka come merlimau find hunt ur car down...

More and more people to try minyak masak.. i wan to try too..

do i have to flush the engine clean b4 taruk minyak masak cap naptune?

actually in long run will the engine get effected?i scare later whole engine need to do full overhauled.

basically my engine have been stripped down and you can judged the internal parts by yourself. the decision is yours!

If any researcher success making it 100% perfect for car.

Petroleum company got to lose money !!!!

So peeche and ibmlenovo..what's your progress now? any chance to strip down engine like fatani?

even have seen so many pics and heard tonnes of stories..still worried lah, coz no proper RnD (normal Malaysian mind setting...everything comes from US and westerners are always good, and high degree of doubt to local home-made researcher...ahahaha)

worried of long term (as in 50-100K or sumting) effect...cant afford car breakdown at roadside and turns out need to transplant or sumting...money is one thing, scolded by father is another thing coz it's his car...hahaha

Do both of you put any additives together with the palm oil?

p/s ibmlenovo: till now the oils still doesnt decrease after regular usage? it might burnt and evaporate on its boiling point is it?

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Added on June 21, 2009, 10:37 amdear b48753,

You sure it's because of palm oil or sumting else? any experiment on short but frequent engine run to see how's the effect coz that's what we practically do everyday, not driving 60 hours straight on highway (even recommended to stop after every 2 hour to get enuf rest ). Any trial of long engine run on real engine oil and see how's the effect as well? coz i'm thinking that the clog might be because of the time and not the oil itself (thinking without any theory in head ).

Also i wonder whether the oil vapourise on high temperature...what's the maximum engine temperature? does it exceed boiling point of palm oil?

btw, can we all have a look at your research paper? or at least the abstract?

Many thanks

This post has been edited by arcilist: Jun 21 2009, 12:10 PM

I'm thinking that if u wanna try palm oil, use it as a mixture with engine oil and not pure palm oil, as palm oil doesnt have any additives for anti-oxidation, acid-neutrlisation, sludge-removal & suspension. It does beat fully-syn oil in having a higher flash point though, from my brief googling, probably the reason it can withstand evaporation better.

it doesn't vapourised on high temp. i have confirmed this by my way of driving. hi revving mostly. the amount of oil remains the same.

what i'm afraid is the oil molecul will breakdown at high temp during high revs

If it does break down, it probably becomes sludge, the oil level drops and the oil/engine internal darkens.

oil level remains the same..

engine internal didn't go to the 'dark' side - until today, with pictorial proof.

been hi revving and top speeding at long distance, still, the oil level remains the same. normal drive, also the same.

did u put any additives? or did u use pure palm oil? or half-half with engine oil?

need advice..my car is wira 1.3 manual injection, almost 10 years already...before change to it..do i need check inside engine first (piston, valve..bla bla bla)? or anything i need to do in specific before going for palm oil?

yes i did. palm oil all the way. no half2. for more info and reviews, just clicks on my blog below.

most would've recommend to check the oil sum gasket first.

bro fatani,

What brand of oil & viscosity were u using before using palm oil? Any oil consumption when using normal engine oil?

i've always treated my engine with semi-synthetic oil before. petronas, mobil, etc, as long as it's a semi. mostly petronas. viscosity? not sure. never took it serious anyway. as long as the engine runs smooth, light, and reliable, then it's fair enough for me. no need to go too technical. it'll mess your head. change every 5000 kms.

i've also use a fully synthetic. my personal opinions, better change it every 5000kms also. dont wait until 10k(actually, even at 8k), coz by then the engine feels heavy already(even if you changed the oil filter at 5k). dont know where the myth fully syn = 10k came from.

minerals, use only twice, dont like it. what's the point if your engine feels heavy and growling.

FC, didn't really took it serious..hehe.by the way that i drive, FC has to be put aside. of coz, lighter engine revs should save your FC a lil bit.

This post has been edited by fatani: Jun 24 2009, 02:55 PM

But sometimes lighter engine revs will encourage u to rev higher and stay there longer, resulting in higher FC!

my gasket bocor a bit, but mech said it's not severe, coz never found dripping on the floor yet, it just bring up dirt at the bottom of engine

do i need to fix that first before going for this oil? can anybody explain what will they do changing gasket and how much usually the rough cost?

better change first, since it's not in the best shape. but if wanna try the current gasket, also can. but do monitor always. if it's leaking by then, well it's about time to change anyway. if it's not, save money lor..

Hehehe, what engine oil alternative I am using now?

Shell Rimula R1 SE/CD grade,Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oil, monograde SAE 40

for my Nissan Sunny.Recommended for carbie cars without cats onboard.

Price: RM 11.90/Litre at your favourite Shell petrol station.

I bought 3 bottles of 1 L, thats Rm 35.70 plus top of some "left over oil" to make up to F mark.

Results? Last time I tried Petronas Motolub Monograde, this one felt much lighter than Petronas.

Furthermore my FC has been good, doing an average of 12-13Km/L.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Jul 1 2009, 05:49 PM