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aiz1j
post Apr 20 2009, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Apr 20 2009, 01:35 PM)
From my point of view, I think plasma will eventually become extinct because of the slow innovations and stiff competition from LCDs.

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Slow innovations in plasma technology? I don't think so. Better plasma technology is already available, lower power consumption due to brighter cell, waiting to be mass produced. Cost and low profit margin will be more likely to be the reason. Just few months before Pioneer announced its exit, they were planning to outsource their panel from Panasonic (but of course they'll maintain their quality using their own graphic engine & electronics). But it was a bit too late for them. If only they took those steps earlier.....

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http://www.advanced-pdp.jp/fpd/english.html

I think plasma will continue to survive at least for larger sizes. Higher cost in producing smaller plasma cells will allow LCD to dominate in smaller TVs.

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post Apr 21 2009, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Apr 21 2009, 01:10 AM)
Panasonic have only recently announce lower power consumption plasma panel which in my opinion is already slow considering the fact that LCD have always been lower in terms of power consumption.  In terms of power consumption, Plasma is playing catch-up with LCD which is dominating the TV market. 

What about resolution?  Plasma is just to far off the playing field here when compare to LCD.
curve screen!!!  Its a flat world man. i don;t see anyone who would wants a curve tv anymore  rclxub.gif
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Due to different mechanisms (their nature), those 2 technologies have their advantages but NOT due to one technology is more advance than the other.
Eg 1. response time, - (due to nature of plasma cell mechanism) plasma's RT is <1ms almost instantaneous, whereas due to LCD cell mechm, it's just very difficult to reduce it to <2ms.
2. Viewing angle - naturally, due to plasma mechm, it will beat LCD (no need for newer R&D), while LCD needs further improvement ie IPS technology.
3. Power consumption - (without considering the 5lumen/10lumen tech) if you watch film with more dark scene, plasma will probably consume less power than LCD. LCD power consumption is constant while plasma fluctuates based on colour/brightness.
4. Higher resolution - yup, it will cost more to squeeze more plasma cells (smaller cells) into a specific panel size compared to LCD. Therefore cost is the limiting factor to plasma but not the technology itself.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong.
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post Apr 21 2009, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(slk5538 @ Apr 21 2009, 02:52 PM)
Bear in mind that the best technology does not always wins.
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Yup. I agree.. So many factors involved. Production cost, profit margin, consumers perception, purchasing power, marketing strategy etc. Regarding technology, LG plasma PQ60 was released for Korean market in January. It was claimed to have 1,000,000,000 (billion) contrast ratio. How true is that? How do they measure such contrast ratio? Just plain marketing?

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post Apr 22 2009, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(termite9 @ Apr 22 2009, 12:09 AM)
my plasma tv daily open at 12 noon to 2am, also no burn in effect seen
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I guess it's a non-issue anymore with new generation plasma, unless you are trying to purposely create it by displaying static image for more than 7 days (24hrs non-stop). That's what Panasonic claim when they launched PV80 last time.
The only time I witnessed a "burn-in" or "image retention" was few years back at Sri Rampai Sen Heng. One of those plasma displayed got it. But that was from previous generation plasma.

Quoting Panasonic website--

"This high-level 60,000-hour service life has also greatly improved Panasonic Plasmas resistance to image burn-in. This performance now exceeds the typical burn-in resistance provided in conventional CRT TVs, meaning that if your current CRT technology has not burned in, neither will your Panasonic Plasma in similar operation. While no technology including DLP or LCD is immune to burn-in, (or what is called Static Image Retention) the Panasonic Plasma, when operated as outlined in the product instruction manual, will resist burn-in in the vast majority of all applications."

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post Apr 22 2009, 01:46 PM

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Latest Approved Plasma & LCD Models for Malaysian Market
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Plasma
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LG
60PS80FR
42PQ10R
42PQ20
42PQ30
42PQ70BR
50PQ70BR
50PS60

PANASONIC
TH-P42C10S
TH-P42C10M
TH P42G10S
TH-P50X10K
TH-P50X10S
TH-P42X18K
TH-P42X10K
TH-P42X10S
TH-42S10S
TH-P42S10K
TH-P50S10K
TH-P50S10S
TH-P42G10K
TH-P42C10R
TH-P42C10K


LCD
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LG
32LH70YR
32LH20R
37LH50YR
42LH20R
37LH70YR
42LH50YR
47LH70YR
42LH70YR

SAMSUNG
LA32B450C4H
LA22B450C4
LA52B550K1R
LA32B530P7R
LA26B450C4
LA32B450C4
LA32B650T1R
LA40B650T1R
LA40B550K1R
LA40B530P7R
LA46B550K1R
LA46B650T1R
LA37B530P7R
LA37B550P7R
LA52B610K1R

SHARP
LC-46A66M
LC-37A37M
LC-42A77M
LC-46A77M

SONY
KLV-52Z550A
KLV-32V530A
KLV-32V550A
KLV-32W550A
KLV-40V 550A
KLV-46Z550A
KLV-40S550A
KLV-40WE5
KDL-40WE5
KLV-52V550A
KLV-46W 550A
KLV-40W 550A
KLV-40V 530A
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post Apr 24 2009, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(aaltong @ Apr 24 2009, 05:00 PM)
hmm... hahaha.... i really wonder is that really Sharp LCD model.  tongue.gif
Look at the silver plastic cabinet, it is so thick at the side. which normally is much thinner for LCD.
and they have groove on it, indicate most probably speakers at the side.
I'm not too sure, bit i have not come acorss Shrap  LCD with speaker at the side like that.
And the groove area is also very wide mean speaker used is quite big.
and the non-viewing area between the silver plastic and picture displayed, the black ring area.
It is very thick too.
Most of the time LCD will be almost non-visible, especially top and bottom side.
the black ring area is just like the CRT tube non-viewing area we normally see.
Hence my doubt  that this is LCD, more like CRT.
At leaset not Sharp LCD.


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It is probably one of Sharps previous gen LCD. Probably D4U, D5U series
http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtvpics/lcd/sharp_d5u.jpguser posted image
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post Apr 27 2009, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(daryl.k @ Apr 27 2009, 05:50 PM)
warrr....end of the year!!! tot the earlier speculated date around June/July...now hv to wait till end of the year...i hope panny realize they r not the only ones with Plasma TVs around...
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Based on my sources, it's not gonna be that late. Well... just wait and see.

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post May 5 2009, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ May 5 2009, 10:39 AM)
Sony Bravia V series. Years? It is just 6 months old.  brows.gif

So do you think maybe the Bravia V series performance sucks?  rolleyes.gif
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Psss... You should have invited him to your party wink.gif
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post May 7 2009, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(yj-kl @ May 7 2009, 03:21 PM)
Hey guys, anyone got any news on Panasonic's latest plasma?

From the Australian site, can see that P50G10 available in June 09 - P50S1 available in July 09 - P46G10 & P42G10 available in May 09.
So on the Malaysian viera find and compare webpage, there is one 'Coming Soon' space for the G series and 2 slots for S series - but dunno what size. Got any ideas?

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I have posted somewhere in this thread before, the plasma and LCD models registered to be marketed in Malaysia
For Panasonic.
TH-P42G10
TH-42S10
TH-P50S10
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post Jun 3 2009, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jun 2 2009, 11:46 PM)
What is your logic behind this? "higher setting would cause more diff in dark n bright scene"

The one reason to break in is to age the phosphors evenly. And to age phosphors, you need to turn the contrast and brightness to MAX. That way phosphors will mature. That way only break in can be done in 100 hours. If you turn those settings down, it will take 200-300 hours to break in.
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If you are using looping alternate single color (blank) image, you can set contrast to Max bcos the whole screen evenly phosphors. But if you break in while watching movies, the screen doesn't evenly phosphor (got some area too dark and some very white); so, to reduce the difference, need to reduce contrast. But the best method to break in is to do the 'looping alternate single color image'. But then, when can you get to watch the NEW TV? rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 11 2009, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(naleh33 @ Jun 10 2009, 11:27 PM)
No one has tried to hook up their new S10K to the PC for display or console like PS2, PS3?  blink.gif  Want to know how is the picture quality  hmm.gif
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For PC and PS3, S10 is supposed to be better than X10 due to FullHD capability on S10.

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From what I gather, the size availability for each Panasonic plasma series in Malaysia will be

X10 - 42", 50"
S10 - 42", 50"
G10 - 42" only
V10 - 50", 65"
Z1 - 54" only

Can't really see the logic they used to decide the size availability for each series. hmm.gif In the US and Europe, the G10 is also available in bigger sizes. rclxub.gif

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post Jun 12 2009, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(naleh33 @ Jun 11 2009, 09:39 PM)
That's why I am hoping some S10 buyer has tested it by connecting to PC/console. I am planning to get the S10 as well. Now waiting for G series to be released it Msia to check on the price and also the PQ. Hopefully G series will not be so expensive since X10 and S10 diff also not that huge.
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The price difference btwn S10 and G10 can be quite a lot since G10 uses neoPDP panel while both X10 and S10 use the normal panel.

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