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blacklizard90
post Feb 3 2011, 05:23 AM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Feb 1 2011, 08:52 PM)
Thanks to littleghost's guidance, I have my first complete amplifier with a case. Many thanks for his afternoon on Saturday.

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Quite a looker isn't it. Thanks to littleghost's Jujubes box.

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Work log, schematic and other details: http://mengsuan.blogspot.com/2011/02/project-ubercmoy.html
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How much does it cost you?
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post Feb 4 2011, 12:42 AM

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I'm getting interested with this DIY stuff, but dunno where to start. I got some very little knowledge on curciut. Just don't know where to start.. Seeking guidance
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post Feb 4 2011, 12:54 AM

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I dont understand the op amp part, can all type of circuit use a type of amp?

How much does a good op amp cost?
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post Dec 31 2012, 04:57 PM

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hi, i need help from who have drill for pcb, i already ached the pcb but dont have the drill to put hole, if anyone have the drill, please help me, i will pay for the service..

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post Dec 31 2012, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Dec 31 2012, 05:42 PM)
Actually this can be easily done, even by hand.
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Is there any tutorial that can help? thanks
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post Dec 31 2012, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Dec 31 2012, 06:48 PM)
lab there punya step drill takda meh?
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They ask to buy my own drill bit.. anyone know how much will it cost and where i can buy it?

Anyway, any comment on my pcb, this is my first time doing pcb and its for CMOY

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post Dec 31 2012, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Dec 31 2012, 07:12 PM)
Not really... with DIY you go and figure it out yourself! laugh.gif
I don't mind doing it for you provided you can come over to PJ.
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I can come to pj, wont be a problem.. im just living in cyber, 15min ride..
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post Dec 31 2012, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(penmarker @ Dec 31 2012, 07:36 PM)
Hey jeevan is that you?

That's so cool man.
But I have no electronic background  sweat.gif Have you ever considered about selling one?
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post Dec 31 2012, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Dec 31 2012, 09:24 PM)
looks good.

But from the looks of it, layout could be further improved.

If you want me to give you a detailed feedback, you can post up your layout with the silk screen on. I can help you take a good look at it.
A drill bit set is around Rm100-200.
What software are you using?

Jesus, reminds me of the good old days in MMU now that I've graduated.
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Thats expensive..
Im using eagle CAD

MMU will try their best to make student's life miserable..lol

Here is the layout..

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post Jan 1 2013, 04:15 PM

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Anyway, here is the schematic for cmoy with rail splitter, I'm not sure its correct or not but i guess its correct, any comment?

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post Jan 1 2013, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 1 2013, 05:15 PM)
At first glance:

1) Grounding could use some work. You can either opt to use a ground plane (harder to do on a single layer) OR a solid star ground. In this case, your ground is distributed amongst thin lines. The minute V drop is going to cause some performance issues. Measurable, but probably not audible depending on what Op-amps you used. Also if you intend to use some quality high speed op-amps, you will want to take care of your ground here otherwise you'd run into stability issues.

2) Your traces can be further optimized. Use thicker traces for power lines, power output lines. You can use thin lines for input lines that sees a "high impedance".

3) Don't cross lines from one of the non-inverting input to in between the negative supply pin with another non-inverting input. This will cause noise and performance issues.

4) C3+ and C3- are high speed decoupling caps. They must be very very near the PSU pins to be effective

5) You need to establish where your power comes from and where the current flows. This way of thinking will lead to better layout. At the moment, you're just tapping lines from wherever you can.
Schematic review:

1) I wouldn't use input caps, but that's just me. Primarily because they aren't needed in modern equipments and good sounding ones are expensive. You should use them however if your setup demands it.

2) Put two bigger caps 470uF/1000uF from + to gnd and - to Gnd AFTER the TLE2426. In your present configuration, the TLE2426 sinks all the return current. TLE2426 has a small sinking current capacity and high output impedance. Using it in this fashion will be less than optimum.
Overall pretty good for a head start. Man, my first cmoy was entirely on a perfboard.

Anyway, to prove a point I whipped out a quick 10 minute board showing how you can use a ground plane.

Refer attachment. Standard configuration.

EDIT: There are some errors with the example of the board. The top portion where the battery comes in should have a larger space so the ground plane is contiguously connected on the top most portion. At the present picture, the ground plane is joint solely on the output jack's ground pin. But hey, you get the idea.
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PCB:
1) I will go through some tutorial to see how its done and also follow your sample.

2) I have no idea what is "high impedance" but i will do some reading and and improvise

3) No idea what you talking about.. tongue.gif im not an engineering student, I'm an IT student, this is just me trying to do an amp tongue.gif

4) Read about it in few forum, will work on it. smile.gif

5) Yup, that how I'm doing it, as long as the path is clear it put the path there tongue.gif will improvise

Schematic:
1) I'm following tangent and cmoyBB schematic, all i know about this cap is that it reduce noise, correct me if I'm wrong.

2) Should i use electrolytic cap or film cap?

I'm scared to do in pref board because I'm on tight budget and I'm thing to use this cmoy for quite some time tongue.gif

What software are you using? I dunno how to that type of grounding with eagle cad.

Anyway, i will continue to work on this later at night, now need to get back with PHP, client bising already..lol

Thanks for your time man..
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post Jan 1 2013, 09:16 PM

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I'll open a thread and see how the response.

So you are saying i can omit C2_L and C2_R?

Anyway, for the the capacitor after tle i added in the schematic, is it correct?

and will this capacitor sufficient?
http://malaysia.rs-online.com/web/p/alumin...citors/1936821/

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post Jan 1 2013, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 1 2013, 10:08 PM)
Yes, you can omit C2_l and C2_R

Except, C2 is terbalik. tongue.gif

Cap will work just fine.

But if you can afford it, Panasonic FCs are really great for this application.
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haha, my bad.. lol..

I can afford that tongue.gif

anyway, im taking your advise, im currently doing the basic cmoy based on tangent with voltage spliter on strip board..

After my tle arrived, i will do it on pcb xD

will post up the pic later


Added on January 2, 2013, 1:11 amDone with stripboard, will start with pcb rail splitter on Thursday xD

Its pretty amazing how this little thing sounds xD

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post Jan 2 2013, 04:01 AM

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Followed your advise, created the PCB layout with ground plate, attached

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post Jan 2 2013, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Leolabs @ Jan 2 2013, 08:47 AM)
Don't see any ground loop at a glance,which is nice...

But think I saw different grounds are mixing.....try to reposition certain components or re route the ground.....

"bRestrict" (for bottom only of course)is a useful command for ground routing purpose,serve as a 'chop' when u want to separate grounds.

Suppose u didn't run through DRC also,as I saw R2_R is too close to the solder pad of X1....
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WHat you mean by different ground is mixing?

I re-position some part and got some good result but dont know if its correct or not tongue.gif

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post Jan 2 2013, 03:30 PM

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damn, so hard to do, still trying.. ahha
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post Jan 2 2013, 04:55 PM

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I tried 1.0mm but the trace is very big.. sigh..
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post Jan 2 2013, 06:09 PM

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OMG, i was mistaken mm for mil, thats the culprit, been reding thru PCBDesignTutorialRevA and came across the mil part.. lol

Thanks for the layout, looks nice, i have no idea how you managed to do that arrangement, i did like 50 try all fail.. haha.. will follow that layout xD
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post Jan 2 2013, 07:46 PM

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like this?

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Edit: so can use 1000uF cap ?

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post Jan 2 2013, 11:20 PM

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Will this cap be fine: http://my.element14.com/panasonic/eeufc1e4...&in_merch=true&

or this: http://my.element14.com/panasonic/eeufc1c1...00uf/dp/1848432

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