the game is tomorrow, if not mistaken around 9pm

Well, so is winning the Bundesliga with Bayern Munich a huge acheivement? What happen to Ottmar Hitzfield who is supposed to be 1 of the top managers when he failed to win. I think he was sacked the next session. If you know how Bayern Munich operates, you will find that it is indeed not difficult to win the Bundesliga. Ask you a question. What they do is that they buy the opposition's top player just for the sake of preventing competition. What kind of competition do they have when it comes to finance. They are consistantly in the richest chart etc. I mean with all this, you say that winning the Bundesliga with Bayern Munich is that hard? Any one who does not win deserves to get the sack.

You said that i did not back up my point with proper argument. So what have you done to back up your point. What have you done to back up the fact that Klinsmann is a great coach? Has he done anything special this session to justify that? Mayby you can point out his achievements as a coach so as to justify his selection? He has not even won the world cup in his own home soil.

Putting words in people's mouth. Well, i find the idea of Klinsmann managing our club such a ridiculous proposition that i really could not think of any reason as to why you want him to be coach except for the fact that you want to pacify Cassanova. I do not think I am the only one who thinks like that when it comes to thinking that Klinsmann should be coach. At least Mourinho is much better or even Ottmar Hitzfield that you mention just now. But really Klinsmann is not of that leaque at the moment.

BTW you really do not need to be so defensive. I mean if you really think that you are not trying to pacify Cassonova you should let us know. I mean sometimes you show your weaknesses just by being defensive and that is why there is a huge chance Liverpool wun be winning this session because Benitez has just fallen to Ferguson's mind games.

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Added on January 24, 2009, 8:44 pmWhen have I ever implied that I do not want Arsenal to win? Sometimes you guys are just so 1 dimention to think deeper and even your argument shows your depths. Just because i say that it is not necessary for Arsenal to win the league does not mean that I do not want Arsenal to win. I feel really dissapointed whenever Arsenal loses and even more last year when they could have won the leaque say if Arsene bought in some reinforcement but I look at the bigger picture rather then the temporal. To me it does not mean the end of the world if say Arsenal becomes 3rd but fought hard till the end consistantly. At least they are competitive. At least they are of the same level. But at the same time, we know that they can maintain this level because while big clubs like Blackburn and Newcastle may fall, we are still competiting at the highest level. I did not feel dissapointed when Chelsea won and we got second because circumstances dictated the situation. At least I know in my heart that in the real world, we won because Chelsea belong to another world.

Your first paragraph just shows that you are just illogical and that you are very one sided.

I never ever ask you to support Man City. I am just asking y ou a simple question. Since winning matters so much to you, would you consider Man City a big and successful club if say they start winning the league. If that is how you approach challanges then how can you even consider yourself a debater? You just keep on throwing tirades after tirades that are illogical and does not even coincicide with the things that i am talking about.

I just make a view on that i do not want outside influence or takeovers. Again. Why must you be so defensive.

We are not God and we cannot predict the future but we can at least analytically look based on current situation on what is most probably going to happen based on the things that are being faced


This post has been edited by sylar111: Jan 24 2009, 08:44 PM

if i'm not mistaken, Hitzfield did won the Bundesliga the next season after he failed to do so

but let's leave it at that. sylar, i like the idea of Klinsmann replacing le Boss because i like the way Germany played under him. that's all, no more reason to it. and, never once did i claimed Klinsmann is a great coach. there you go again, putting words into people mouth. Maurinho btw is a great manager and more proven than Klinsmann, but that doesn't mean i want him to be our next manager

and what the F! i should let you guys know that i am not trying to pacify casanova when i put on my reply to this board? what the F is that? go and read that again and realize how ridiculous it sound. maybe you should not be too fast in assuming something and putting words into people mouth

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Added on January 24, 2009, 8:46 pmbtw, totally agreed on your second part of your post. being competitive is the least i expected from our club

This post has been edited by toshio14: Jan 24 2009, 08:48 PM

IMHO there is more to managing than how a team plays on the field.

So I do not think based on that point alone anyone would agree for him to be our manager.

Wow... i am learning this from u... and u r replying back to urself in disguise of me. nice. move on. cheers.

I'd rather feed the goose than continue this... happy new year nevertheless.

Finally someone else apart from me who actually recognizes Denilson's contributions. I absolutely love the bit "I don't think many people have gone down and deeply analysed his game." Pretty much sums up everything.

Wenger - Why Denilson deserves more credit

thats why we as fan's can only analyze players only to a certain extend
which we watch them during matches or clips from websites
so we can only decide on what we are "able" to see and make judgements from it
only wenger himself can see the true colors behind all the players in his hands

i do agree with the article
with what ive witness from Denilson atm
he is currently just an okay player to my eyes
he still has plenty of room to win my heart
maybe 1 of the reason why he failed to win some of the fans heart is perhaps
people tend to compare him with the previous Arsenal CM's likes of Gilberto,Flamini,Vieira
which of course denilson is only 20 and still has lots to learn
its going to be difficult for him to really speed up to their ranks
but no doubt, we will always hope for continuous development from our players

This post has been edited by Quick`: Jan 25 2009, 03:07 AM

I think I have replied back to you and I do not find any of my points contradictory to what I have said. But I think you should go and feed gooses since you have nothing better to say.

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Added on January 25, 2009, 5:46 amSince he is not a proven coach why do you even consider him as a potential replacement for Wenger. I mean is this the first time you really understand how our club works? We work on a tight budget and thus we do not just spend money just like that. You do not give an important position to someone just because his team happens to play well. Mourinho team plays well at certain time. Are you just going to look at the few matches whereby Chelsea plays attacking football under him and thus conclude that he is a lover of attacking foorball? As someone said, managing a club is not just on field but also out field. Can you ensure that he will manage the funds in a responsible fashion? Are you sure that he will not just leave the job after he cannot withstand the pressure? How is he going to to handle conflict.

I really do not care about the bundesliga and it does not really interest me a little bit because i consider it a small league and to be frank they have hardly any impact on the world of football and it does not matter to me whether Hitzfield won the Bundesliga the next session. I have already explained to you on why it is not difficult for Bayern to win the Bundesliga.

I have already explained to you on why i came into the conclusion. I mean it is you who is not able to read and who consistently assume that people are continuing making the stance when i have already clarified my stance. And stop using the f words because it really shame our club that is supposed to be a club of integrity and values.



This post has been edited by sylar111: Jan 25 2009, 05:46 AM

What is defined as a civilized manner ? just some questions for thought, as clearly we all (everyone in the world) have very different perspectives and standards. Like for me, i wouldnt think a civilized person would make an attack at all in order to convince the other person of his perspective/opinion but thats me of course.

Don't worry i hear your opinions, cheers

*sigh* I've already said my bit about all the bickering pages and pages back.. and that was it.. i'd like to spend more time on arsenal
Yeah... i think it's like my ...1st time like... ever... that i'm gonna miss reunion dinner =(

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Added on January 25, 2009, 9:16 amThats very true... how the camera focuses on the player.. etc... and people just looking at the ball not really paying attention to players off the ball.. we can only focus on 1 thing anyways... but yeah we miss out alot of things...

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The media is NOT very influential in telling us how to think... but is VERY influential in telling us what to think about.. there's a difference

This is from a quote by Bernard Cohen and following that this is the theory...

for those who are interested...

Agenda Setting Theory

For example:: media choose to highlight gallas's tantrum, but did not highlight as much Rio ferdinand kicking something resulting in an injury to a female steward.. which i think is far worse, in gallas case.. only the boards suffered, this one a person suffered.. barely mentioned. Gallas cried, so did terry which was covered more ? Also the interpretation of it .. but that one we can spot.. what we don't realise is that the media brings things up for discussion.

another example: media takes note/highlights that Arsenal is fielding a team of foreigners.. BLAM! everyone started talking about it = everyone started saying how arsenal isn't doing it's bit for the english game etc... They (media) are very powerful in selecting the topic for discussion.

I only know this as i came over it when i was doing a paper regarding the global warming debate, the whole CSR (corporate social responsibilty) trend thing etc.. but it's really interesting... least for me... =P

This post has been edited by chronic_blade: Jan 25 2009, 09:20 AM

All in all, simple to put it, I dont know why Arsenal getting most of the attention, hahaha, maybe those ppl is either secretly in love with Arsenal or they are secretly jealous of Arsenal, hahaha.

Anyway, on the Denilson article, I agree that Denilson is good, but I will never see him as a Paddy, Gilberto or even Petit sort of player, or even a flamini, he is more like a Fabregas player, more attacking than defensive actually.

i honestly grew tired of this. but i try to reply for the sake of debating

i already told you the only reason i wouldn't mind him as le Boss replacement due to how Germany playing under him, nothing more. did le Boss proven himself in a big league when he first came to us? unless you consider French League as a big league, the answer to that question is no. and i already make my stance regarding Maurinho. he's a great manager but i do not want him as our manager. on the accusation about knowing how our club work, i'm not going to reply on that. obviously you think you know a great deal of how our club being run and let's leave it at that

which make me wonder, who you want to replace le Boss when he call it a day?

and yeah, my English is not that good. i mean i almost missed getting a credit for English during my SPM. and i do not understand 1 bit what you mean by "assume people continuing making a stance when i have already clarified my stance'. however, i am an honest man. the F word should never come out in a discussion about our beloved club. it should only be used when Eboue misplace a pass for the 8 straight times in a match..haha. thanks for reminding about not using the F word. but maybe you'd want to take your own advice and stop putting words into people mouth. because i find it; to put it using your own words, "really shame our club that is supposed to be club of integrities and values"

You're not the only one here who is satisfied with Denilson's improvement Count me in too, although there's still much for our young Brazillian to learn and I don't think I'll need to repeat what I've posted last week for the CM pairing debate.

Not much going on during these few days except the boring Arshavin saga.... meh. Lots of hoohah before our FA cup match vs Cardiff, but all of them are merely battlecries before the actual showdown. Not sure whether Rambo would play or not, although I think le Boss might stick to the team which previously defeated Plymouth.

well, i for 1 do not satisfied with Denilson's improvement. constantly giving away the ball and foul at dangerous places is the main thing i find really disturbing about his performance. and he also seems to not know the best way to use his body to protect the ball when in possession, which most of the times resulted in him losing the possession and unable to win a 50-50 ball. he should watch how Cesc position himself when receiving the ball and then distributing the ball

and i do not agree at all with the bold part from le Boss statement.

that in my opinion is 1 of Denilson biggest weakness as he seems to be taking his time when receiving the ball before making a pass

this is not saying Denilson did not improve at all during his times with us up until now. but i just expecting more improvement from him after quite a number of years with us

This post has been edited by toshio14: Jan 25 2009, 05:04 PM

There have been some heated debates among fellow members here.

On next-Manager candidate
It's a speculative topic which I do NOT think will happen in coming few seasons. I choose NOT to comment

Anyway, it's very personal and even though some "facts" are on place, it's more on favoritism and impression-oriented. Anyway, it is good to point out misleading facts to others but it's not the ultimate criteria to support one's choice on this matter.

Side note
I agree that there are different styles in your replies - but please try to avoid provoking words, name-calling and of course, vulgarism.

Remember, we are all members supporting the same team after all. Please debate in a moderate manner, I'll say

BTW, I have just double-checked the FB R&R and thought it's good to share it out - be reminded that the R&R is to ensure everything's on place by no means of making things more complicated unnecessarily:lol:

Source: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=SR&f=53



On Denilson's role
It's not that everything that Denilson does is bad - what mentioned by AW is good so that fellow members can pay additional attention of what being missed out (seriously, I also missed out those mentioned by AW )

Why is Denilson not (almost) everyone's favorite? Because of what players before him could do. Personally, I also do not rate him high. I prefer to have him playing for us regularly in a year or two later - not now but there is little I can do about it



This post has been edited by kimhoong: Jan 25 2009, 04:57 PM

remember wat the "One" said?

"Voyeur"

Happy reunion dinner and happy holidays gooners!

It's already been stated a zillion times - whatever links with Arsenal will sell better - enough said!



Wishing all gooners and football fans Happy Chinese New Year and Happy Holiday


I'm having reunion dinner in 30 minutes

me to,Reunion dinner within 30minutes time
Happy CNY to all LYN gooners
happy collecting ang baos~
for married ones,happy giving ang baos
GONG XI GONG XI

HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR TO ALL THE GOONERSSSSS
LETS CELEBRATE TONITE WITH THE VICTORY OVER CARDIFF!!
WOOHOO!!

Here's wishing a HAPPY CNY to all LYN Gooners!
Hope the OX YEAR will bring more happiness and success to not only us ,but to the team we all love.