In Ferguson's case, those was the first 7 years he is incharge wit MU. After that he has been winning at least 1 trophy every seasons but for AW, he was winning some trophies until Chelsea emerged as the competitor 4 years ago. Why can't he do the same thing anymore?

About Klinsmann, he has been in the squad management from 2006 & he first managed Germany. He is the one who revived Germany to be top contender in Europe again.

FYI, Bayern & Hoffenheim are having the same points.

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Added on January 23, 2009, 10:16 pmIf Liverpool was the Golden Son, then they should have won the CL last season right? Wht happen then?
May be Liverpool fans can clarify this...

This post has been edited by Casanova88: Jan 23 2009, 10:16 PM

good, instead of commenting on my reply to you in regards of our club (i still consider you as a Gooner) you concentrating on the Liverpool issue. and can you back up your claim that SAF won at least 1 trophy per season after the 7 years he didn't win anything?

as for Klinsmann, he is 1 of the manager i wouldn't mind replacing le Boss when le Boss think he did enough for us

This post has been edited by toshio14: Jan 23 2009, 10:25 PM

You must be joking.

Your measure of a coach's success is trophies. Where are Klinsmann's trophies? Wenger revived us once, and if it wasn't for Eduardo's injury, there was a high chance he revived our challenge last year.

Like I said, I don't follow Bundesliga but I do know they were catching up hence the use of the word "resurgent". But anyway, thanks for Googling for me yah.

(I never learn. I keep poking back)

Yep Wenger has to go because he brings us no trophies. Klinsmann has to come because he has won no trophies. Cool logic isn't it?

I'm giving up, yeah listening to you little_mozart from now on

new shows

now half time ar? xD

Wenger backs Rafa


Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has hit out at the "unexplainable advantage" handed to Manchester United by next week's fixtures in the Premier League.

Red Devils boss Sir Alex Ferguson has repeatedly claimed the league has been "handicapped" this season in a bid to stop United winning a third successive title.

While Wenger had added his support to a fair schedule for all of the four Champions League teams when the issue was raised earlier this season, the Gunners manager has been left less than impressed by the arrangements for next week.

United are in action on Tuesday at West Brom, before they then have a break until the visit of Everton on the following Monday, February 2.

Arsenal, meanwhile, are away at Cardiff in the FA Cup on Sunday, before they travel to Goodison Park on Wednesday night.

"I feel that next week [Liverpool manager Rafael] Benitez has a case if you look at the way the fixtures are arranged," said Wenger.

"You can say that Manchester United have been extremely advantaged, unexplainably advantaged.

"But that is what we have to cope with.

"It is difficult to explain why one team plays on Tuesday and the others are all on Wednesday.

"It is unfair competition.

"Next week the fixtures are advantaged for Manchester United, who before had a point against Liverpool - I supported them when they had a case. But this week, I think Benitez has a case.

"Manchester United play on Tuesday at West Brom, after they play against Everton who will have played on Sunday, again on Wednesday night."

Wenger added: "I do not think you need to be a specialist in football to understand that in this case it is an unfair advantage for Manchester United.

"Will it have an advantage on the global season? I don't know, you would have to analyse that better.

"It is not Manchester United's fault, it is not Liverpool's fault. It is the organisers of the fixtures. They have a case to explain."

The Gunners have improved their form lately, but remain outside the top four.

Wenger, though, said: "We have not sacrificed the league yet. It is the most important competition.

"What counts is the points - we are only six points from the top team at the moment."

The Arsenal manager added: "We have come back into a good position and the league is the most important competition for me because that tells you how strong we are after 38 games.

"Our focus is on the league, the Champions League and the FA Cup - we do not especially choose."

Ah there...u see there are also casanova's point of view supporters... at least he has some good opinion there...

well i am also agreeing to the lack of trophies here though... my reasoning is comparing to big teams we have not been winning trophies and be on par with them...beating them once awhile in the league or in CL is not as good as being champions in the games we were to play though... we were so close to forming a formidable team but our best players left not winning something with us...sigh.

If compare to smaller teams...we are their glorious leader... but still once awhile we will be good to them and give em 3 points at home or away...hehehe

golden sons? ur joking right?
they're the kings

but last season? uhhh they lost in the semis?
to a john arne risse own goal against chelsea?

who knows what might've happened otherwise if that OG didnt happen.
or if john terry didnt miss that PK in the final.
all just IFS.
its over, time to move on.

but if team improvement is judged on how many trophies a team wins...then i guess 95% of the world's teams are not improving.

Sad though it is, Casanova is right in that we have declined over the past few years... But to pinpoint it all directly on Wenger would be unfair to say the least, and that is the primary reason why I don't agree with Casa. There's the stadium, our finances, the Roman factor, Man U's ability to flog any (ugly) jersey from Thailand to Timbuktu, Liverpool's ability to sign a 20m pound benchwarmer, removal of the club's best Executive, fat Russian Man U fan trying to take over the club, previous best Exec joining forces with fat Russian, no Exec to handle negotiations, the dolphin-headed French DM geting impatient, Eduardo's ankle coming off, Rosicky deciding to make good friends with the club nurse, best player running off to Milan (who did not nego for a contract because there was no Exec to nego with), Eboue promoted to midfield (ok this one we can blame Wenger)... And the list is endless.

But is AW tactically inept? No.

Did we get trashed this season? No.

Are we playing rubbish football? No.

Does we sign expensive piles of bird poo like Sp*rs? No.

Did AW ever publicly fired the Chairman and/or board? No.

Did AW ever go to the press to fire the underperforming squad and/or hint at individuals who aren't performing? No.

Has AW lost the players' confidence? Could have with the Gallas thing, but was quick to resolve it.

Did AW fail to make big signings? Yes, but could you honestly say that he really didn't want to sign or he didn't have the cash? We never know, so lets give him the benefit of the doubt.

Why then would you want to give Sir Wenger the boot?

If that dun happen and we proceed, we are not gonna be the golden son...We gonna be the diamond-sparkling son of UCL

This post has been edited by solstice818: Jan 24 2009, 12:42 AM

I din say i wanna boot AW... u may be magnifying certain internal things which is happening to Arsenal that we actually solve it well... but u have to also face the fact that we have not been winning.

I know we have been an overall good EPL team... Ya those things u pin point is to make us feel better than other teams in a different aspect... just wish we can win CL before i die...or better still treble.

This post has been edited by slcroy: Jan 24 2009, 01:36 AM

Wasn't saying you la bro... We only have one antagonist here, who for someone named after the greatest lover is not showing much love to his club...

... Unless you'd like to join him...

Sorry bro Kimhong.

O/T : Are you guys referring to me or the other guy i quote??

its difficult to compare the mind frame of two different generations of Arsenal fans. Im personally down the middle. I became an Arsenal fan when I was 6, when Wenger first joined the club, before the doubles, the invincibles, etc...

I do remember that we were around 5-6th in the league when Wenger joined and within 1 and a half seasons he made us the best club in England. This is the longest spell that I've gone as an Arsenal fan without a trophy but I'm not too worried. It could be because I've become so fanatical about the club that I know the barren nearly-20 year spell before the first double and the second barren spell before "Fever Pitch '89" that makes me see the way ppl make a big deal of 4 seasons a bit funny.
It could be that I became an Arsenal fan before the trophies were rolling in (i know a lot of fans who became Gooners after the Invincible season).

I don't worry about Wenger either. That's because I can't blame him for the problems we've had this season. He sold and released a few good men but he couldnt be blamed for those. Flamini was out of contract and Hleb wanted out of London. He replaced Hleb with a much better player in Nasri and he tried to replace Flamini, with failed bids for both Alonso and Inler. He tried to sign a CB in Zapata but his club wanted too much. I applaud AW for sticking to his guns and not paying over the top amounts of money for players. I dont know about you guys but I'd rather we dont sign superstars and stay in and around the top 4 than risk becoming the next Leeds United.

I guess you can blame Wenger for not having back up for Rosicky, but if you look at it from AW's point of view...Nasri can play on the left while Theo plays on the right with Eboue as his back up. He surely couldn't have foreseen Theo getting crocked. Also, Fabregas had hardly been injured in his 5 years at the club, surely AW couldn't have imagined CF4 out for 4 months. He expected Ade to be more ruthless up front and he didnt want to sign a striker because he knew that he had Bendtner and Vela to blood into the team and also Eduardo coming back from injury.

People put too much blame on AW but really its been the players that have let us down this season, not him.

What happened?

I was away from the Internet for one day and it had been quite happening here!

Let me have sleep now and I will give some proper reply tomorrow.

Good night!


BTW, Casanova is not 100% wrong - but not 100% right either. Same with "the cup is not empty or full"

However, it's really a pain to "debate/discuss" with someone who is in 100% denial mode to accept opposing views (be it a truth or backed with facts).

Have fun, guys

This post has been edited by kimhoong: Jan 24 2009, 03:34 AM

As usual with Arsenal the usual becomes the unusual.

Party Boy Clichy

clichy budus!

anyway, winning trophies is good but sustainability is more important in these days and age.

i don't mind if we don't win anything this year or next year... really... just so that bandwagon jumpers like casanova88 would leave and support others. jeezzz....

btw.. happy holidays everyone and a happy chinese new year to all..

From the clichy partying pics discussion i saw this::

"the reasons for clichys problems is his inability to use his right foot. when his left foot angles are closed off he panicks unlike sanga who is more balanced. people are more aware of his attacking instincts so they try and close of his left angle causing him to struggle. he needs to practice more with his right foot to open his imagination for right foot angles then he will be fine otherwise he will get found out soon enough."

interesting, i will pay extra attention to that the next time he plays.. mayb the wingers are getting smarter as well... managers may have spotted it if it's true from watching the tapes..

This post has been edited by chronic_blade: Jan 24 2009, 08:33 AM