As it is now, how many docs from oz or uk come back to serve. Most would prefer sg.

Wow! Education is really big business now; I am sure several proposals hv been put in prior to this announcement. Interesting times indeed.

Even slimming centres will hv to do "stringent" interviews to weed out the incompetent ones!

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Added on April 3, 2012, 11:05 pmIs there a choice? Many would prefer office hours minus the stress to get more or less the same pay, minus the hardship allowance.

This post has been edited by cckkpr: Apr 3 2012, 11:05 PM

Acceptable. After Monash, Imu, Newcastle, Manipal, similar to Aimst, UCSI n better than Segi, Mahsa, Masterskill.

HM Liow said that the country will only meet its doctors:population ratio only in Year 2020. Not so pessimistic lah!

Could be relaxed and let the training be done by the private sector as what the lawyers and the accountants are doing. Of course, the training allowances paid to these trainee doctors will have to be slashed accordingly and based on their competency and productivity. After the training period, they would have to fend for themselves, whether to open up their own clinics or to seek some employment somewhere.

There have to be some solutions, whether its fair or not fair.

Interesting to know what do the "sponsors" think of the investment. Adopt another country?

Just ignore these 2 and it will save you a lot of hassle and likely problems in the future.

Some kind of blue ocean strategy that other institution did not pursue. Desperate times need desperate measures.

They just produce the numbers required and the so called loans/scholarships are all structured in such a way to make it a commercially viable entity.

Many students are attracted by the "Dr." thing and the perceived long term employment with the government and the rewards matching the top student scholars during their time.

Its only when reality strikes.......

Do visit the website AND the campus.

Even if I say good or no good, it doesn't help you.

Assuming if you are looking for a future partner and I said I got a friend who would suit you fine with all the good qualities there. Surely, you would not trust me and need to have a look and a "trial dating" period.

What if later on, you found out that he/she smokes, drinks, snores, digs gold, sex crazy, sleeps naked, and with a cat in bed, all of which you cannot tolerate!

Seeing is believing.

This post has been edited by cckkpr: Jun 18 2012, 03:21 PM

[quote=limeuu,Jun 18 2012,
Hey, its trial period!

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Added on June 19, 2012, 10:48 amhttp://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2012/06/18/%E2%80%98a-licence-to-churn-out-poor-quality-doctors%E2%80%99/


The Health Ministry and the Higher Education Ministry seem to be having a tussle over the responsibility to regulate medical education in Malaysia. A turf war! It looks as though the Health Ministry has lost the tussle,” he said.

“It appears to me that the power of the MMC to recognise and accredit medical training colleges has been taken away and placed under a committee under the purview of the Higher Education Ministry… the MMC’s function has been reduced to a clerical role,” he added.


“Today, what safeguards do we have that these giant corporate colleges do not influence the decision-making process of the regulators with megabucks? We know that these regulatory bodies also employ senior people to be in their board… so when the approvals are given, would they be given fairly?”

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Added on June 22, 2012, 3:38 pmMMC spurns Najib’s ‘directive’
B Nantha Kumar
| June 22, 2012

The only reason the Malaysian Medical Council de-registered the Crimea State Medical University in 2005 was because majority of its Malaysian students were Indians.

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian Medical Council (MMC), it appears, has chosen to ignore Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak’s directive to reinstate Crimea State Medical University (CSMU) which is situated in Ukraine.

According to a set of documents forwarded to FMT by an insider from MMC, Najib had ‘penned’ his support for the reinstatement CSMU in 2010. The university was de-recognised by MMC in 2005.

Najib’s intervention followed Koperasi Pekida Malaysia Bhd (Perkida) letter to the premier on Dec 9, 2010 requesting that CSMU be re-instated.

Pekida raised its concern to support more than 300 Malay students studying at the university at that time and that the cost of acquiring a medical degree from CSMU was much cheaper compared to other countries and would benefit poor students dreaming to become doctors.

Following Perkida’s letter, PM’s private secretary Mohd Po’ad Jelani had on Dec 10, 2010 sent an official letter to MMC informing them of PM’s decision to reinstate CSMU.

Other Indian-based organisations too have asked the government to reinstate CSMU as most of the Malaysian students at the university are from the Indian community.

MMC however had ignored Najib’s ‘directive’ and has until now not taken any steps to reinstate CSMU.

“It is a crystal clear that MMC is practising a racist policy despite, Najib having taken a strong step to help the poor students, especially the Indians, have access to affordable quality educational opportunities abroad,” the insider said.

According to the insider, former Health Ministry director-general Dr Mohd Ismail Merican and MMC secretary Dr Wan Mazlan Mohd Woojdy had allegedly acted on their whims and fancies, at times even defying the prime minister’s directive.

Incriminating ‘racists’ evidence

When the university was de-recognised by MMC in 2005, the then MIC secretary-general S Sothinathan had raised the issue in parliament, calling the government’s decision as unfair to the Indian students.

As a result, the deputy health minister was suspended for three months from his government post for criticising the government’s the decision.

The then MIC president, S Samy Vellu also had slammed MMC and described it as a move to prevent more Indians from becoming doctors.

But MMC argued that the decision was made as some CSMU graduates in the government service had poor grasp of English.

Since then the public and ministers in both MIC and MCA have pleaded to the government to recognise the university.

“The people are in the dark over why MMC is adamant about not recognising the university,” the insider said.

The insider also pointed out that that Wan Mazlan had written to the CSMU administration asking for a detailed breakdown of the ethnicity of the Malaysian students.

“The letter is a solid proof that MMC is discriminating against the Indians. At the time of Wan Mazlan writing the letter, 1,000 of the 1,600 Malaysian students who had graduated from CSMU were Indian. And this is since 2001 when the university opened its door to Malaysians,” said the insider.

Why the insistence?

The insider also pointed out that Najib had sent MMC another letter in April this year asking for an update on developments with CSMU.

“As far as I know, until today there is no proper answer from MMC,” said the insider .

The insider said that there is no reason for MMC not to to reinstate CSMU.

“They (MMC) approved Lincoln University College (LUC) to run offshore programmes in three Ukrainian medical universities.

“What is the rational behind MMC’s stand on CSMU, when they can make u-turns on other universities? asked the insider.

Previously, in 2005 Dr Ismail Merican also announced that the government would not recognise medical programmes offered by 10 other universities in Ukraine.

FMT reported that MMC gave LUC the green light to run offshore medical programmes in three Ukrainian medical universities.

The catch was that the students have to pay an extra RM70,000 each to be exempted from sitting for Medical Qualification Exam (MQE) as all the three universities are not recognised by Public Service Department (PSD).

This post has been edited by cckkpr: Jun 22 2012, 03:38 PM

Aimst has the advantage since a couple of batches already graduated.

May be difficult to get in due to preference for own foundation students.

Utar is quite new, though acceptable quality assured.

Utar also preference to own foundation students.

Why do you take MUFY then? Not going to Sunway Monash?

Rendering a little help to Ismail Merican. Already scratch my back, payback time.
Is this the appropriate occasion to talk about better med education locally?

Monash decision will come first before uk. Imu and Numed decision can be after Ucas.

For Monash, yes.

For IMU, you would have to opt for the August intake and Numed Sept intake. IMU pms seats may not be available after your A level results in June. If you apply early, you may have to pay and locked in your offer, if they make you an early offer.

I think they will as our ipta accepts. Unless your grades are no good. A better choice than Russia.
Why don't you consider our second tier unis with ptptn thrown in as well. You won't get this package anywhere else.

You need to get the minimum 5Bs in the relevant subjects at SPM level before proceeding to do medicine anywhere. Locals unis wont accept you, overseas unis doesn't bother but you wont be able to practice in bolehland.

Used to be one of the better ones but times have changed when meritocracy is played with.