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post Nov 4 2009, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Nov 4 2009, 02:57 PM)
Its all in good fun... I mean, using an Apache or fighter jets to bombard a small area with random soldiers was also a bit overkill.
Its not meant to be taken seriously.

But all these kill streak ARE for hardcore players. Casual players won't be the ones that will be racking up high enough scores to get these toys to play with. Its very much an anti-balance feature which makes better players reap bigger rewards and punishes weaker players.

This isn't a new issue, its always been there.
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I agree,but putting nukes and Ac130 takes to an even higher level of over-the-top-ness.

I think some of the imba gonna be even obvious in MW2,im afraid.
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post Nov 5 2009, 06:22 AM

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^ Yeap,despite the fact that the host have almost 0 ping advantage,they still deny it.

Ridiculous.
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post Nov 5 2009, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Nov 5 2009, 01:33 PM)
lol...we need a nuke to kill 9 enemies!!! ..ermm...that include our own troops. but war is about making small sacrifices. laugh.gif bah...
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It seems more like an embarrassment for the opposing team.

It's like saying: "you guys sux so much till we have to use a nuke to end the game." tongue.gif
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post Nov 5 2009, 03:38 PM

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http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/11/04/...s-wait-and-see/

Well,MTV talk to Bowling on dedicated servers.As usual,wait and see.

More typical bullshit from them.

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"We will totally listen to your problems after you have played the game."


Lets see how true is that.We'll see and im very "excited" to see the flames.
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post Nov 5 2009, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Nov 5 2009, 04:14 PM)
Actually that's only half true now.

Big game developers realize that yearly sequels need extra work behind them, so they've decided to go with 2 year development cycles instead. Thus, resulting in dual development teams being used for a single games franchise.

Call of Duty is one example with IW and Treyarch working alternatively and another would be the Splinter Cell series with Ubisoft Montreal and Ubisoft Shanghai.
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Or like what happen to NFS.3 different teams working on different games.


Added on November 5, 2009, 4:47 pm
QUOTE(Voxe @ Nov 5 2009, 04:40 PM)
It feels like a lose-lose situation.

If we don't buy the game, IW will not develope future PC games.
If we buy the game, IW will develope more nerfed-up PC games.
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No matter what,we arent getting the same CoD we used to love anymore.

MW2 have severe consolitis disease.

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post Nov 5 2009, 05:02 PM

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Well,might as well take your money saved for MW2 for something else then.

Dragon Age got very very good marks all across the internet.And the PC version is much better than the consoles.

Torchlight is quite good too,if you like Diablo.

Lastly L4D2 could be a better substitute for MW2.If not,wait for BFBC2 next year then.Natural Selection 2 looks good too.

It's not the end yet.And im not losing anything,as im still getting some fun playing other games by their competitors.Screw IW and Activision.
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post Nov 5 2009, 08:55 PM

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They didnt actually said anything about LAN.

So,there is a chance it wont be there. doh.gif
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post Nov 5 2009, 09:20 PM

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IW pretty much shit on all of us.

I do feel pity for those who are buying the game without knowing that this game is just a lazy console port.
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post Nov 5 2009, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Nov 5 2009, 09:43 PM)
I'm actually very very curious as to how they felt that they could get away with all this.

Did they really think MW2 would be like the FPS of the decade? That at the end of the day, we're all useless sods with no self-control and we'd end up buying the thing regardless of all this shafting?

Like perhaps they had some graph with list of features matched up against potential RAGE from PC community if removed and then they slowly chipped away at it before it hit some baseline whereby the "potential" sales projections would be too low (Or rate of piracy becomes too high because they believe we'll just pirate it if we won't buy it)

Saying this is bizarre would be an understatement and I'm really really anxious to see how this all plays out.
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The way i see CoD franchise isnt much different from NFS before EA split it to a few developers.I think they just gonna milk it ridiculously every year and the quality just keep dropping every year.People still gonna buy it regardless of the quality,as long as they hype it.

MW2 wont be the FPS of the decade as the necessary facilities needed arent there anymore,but it will be enough to keep Kotick fat and rich.Thats what they care,not whether it will be played by gamers for years to come.

I believe that the reason that they implement IWNet is to control MW2's multiplayer life span,if they feel that people shouldnt play MW2 multiplayer(example:MW3 released) anymore,they can close their servers down.Dedicated servers would be much harder to close down as it's run by players.NFS was doing that every year until Shift hits.

In short,CoD is the new NFS series.While NFS have changed it's direction to be a better racing game.

I for one,wont be buying this,as im putting my MW2 money for other games made by people who care about PC.Not some shameless company that tries to rip off PC gamer's money.IW have pretty much lost my respect after screwing me around with buckets of bullshit.


Added on November 5, 2009, 10:03 pm
QUOTE(wanvadder @ Nov 5 2009, 09:59 PM)
That was a sarcasm because IW claimed that there is a mystical creature that cant browse server list.
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Robert Bowling actually believes that looking for a game in a server browser has a learning curve. doh.gif

Seriously,how hard can it be to find a server off a server list?

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post Nov 6 2009, 07:24 AM

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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Nov 6 2009, 01:43 AM)
But the thing is, whenever a big company wants to screw over their playerbase, they'll do it discreetly (By basically not saying anything. Case in point: Operation Flashpoint 2's lack of dedicated servers).

This is almost as though they WANT to incur our wrath. Its either they've completely lost touch with the very idea of a PC (One of their interviews actually listed out "Mouse control" as a PC feature) or they're that arrogant that their game is soooooo good ON TOP OF ALL THIS.

You can assume that the game will be crap because its lacking all these fundamentals, but what if it were REALLY that good in spite of all that?

Then what?

:shudders:
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You know what IW reminds of me now,an annoying troll from /k that wants to piss off everyone just for fun.It's either they trolling around for some unknown reasons.Or they have completely lost touch with PC gaming which i find it hard to believe.

I did realise that this is a bit strange as they are intentionally screwing their players openly while their competitor is taking the chance to win the hearts of their angry players like DICE.At the same time,their other competitors like Valve,EA,Runic are releasing their games at the same time.Shouldnt they do something to make the players to buy their game than their competitor's one? Doesnt make sense to me at all.

Still,what are the chances that MW2 is gonna be good,especially with the MP side? There are FPS games out there that use P2P,their MP died in a month as no one wants to play over a laggy system.
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post Nov 6 2009, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Nov 6 2009, 09:28 AM)
That's the thing, I believe that they truly believe that they can get away with this based on past behaviour.

After watching the initial uproar and subsequent quell of the L4D2 boycott, they probably figured that PC gamers are all filled with hot air and if they do not relent with their proposed changes, the community will come around.

Clavicus: Its either ingenious marketing or really horrible case of letting your marketing dictate your game.
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This is different from L4D2,as people boycott L4D2 because L4D is still a new game by Valve standards and a sequel is pretty much unneeded.Still,at initial announcement,Valve did say that they gonna show more new stuff as time goes by.They did show lots of cool new stuff and people are happy with it.Then,they buy the game.I used to boycott it,and in the end,im impressed with the new stuff,especially AI Director 2.0.

MW2,on the other hand,the game looks good since day 1 of announcement until the Black Saturday of 17/10/09 where out of sudden that they say they dropped the dedicated servers,this pisses of a lot of people.There is a difference between Valve and IW's responds after their rather controversy announcement,Valve did everything to show that L4D2 is a worthy sequel while IW did nothing at all to show anything about IWNet,other than loads of nonsense like mythical creatures that cant find a game or people earning money from dedicated servers.At the same time,ignoring the complains on the P2P system where probably everyone knows that it's gonna be much laggy than a dedicated server system.

All im gonna say is,IW did it all wrong and Valve did correctly.Im still on the not buying MW2 side of the fence.
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post Nov 6 2009, 10:56 AM

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They are just trying to change MW2 to a console game.Simple.Really.
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post Nov 6 2009, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Nov 6 2009, 11:09 AM)
I don't think so... If that were the case, they wouldn't even have bothered with IWNet and would've just stuck with GfWL.
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If not,they should have known that dedicated server is the way to go for MW2.
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post Nov 6 2009, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Nov 6 2009, 11:27 AM)
Thing is, if it was going to be more console, they would've just done a straight port with no need to do development for IWNet. Hell, they wouldn't even need to say anything about it now until the game came out. When CoD 3 was dropped from the PC, they didn't even bother to justify why that was the case. Also, they don't even seem to be doing any form of "damage control" with their press statements.

And I've never known IW to be so aggressive with their marketing, so I'm really really REALLY wondering what the hell is going on here.
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To be honest,i have no idea what are they doing,and the reasons they give so far doesnt make sense at all.
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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Nov 6 2009, 11:43 AM)
Precisely! Nobody knows what is their motives for doing all this as I dare say this is quite unprecedented in the history of PC gaming.

That's why instead of continuing to rage over the issue, I'll just wait and see what happens.
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Yea,if they just show a video on how MW2's IWNet work,the rage would have died down,or at least watch what they say in interviews where all their staff are making themselves look dumb,especially Robbert Bowling.
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post Nov 6 2009, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(Voxe @ Nov 6 2009, 07:01 PM)
Lol, id (creator of Doom) says that they will follow like MW2 and not include dedicated servers on Rage, their upcoming game.

http://kotaku.com/5398270/id-probably-no-d...ervers-for-rage
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This is a very bad trend.

Dedicated servers are getting dropped in almost all FPS games now.
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post Nov 6 2009, 08:17 PM

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Ok,lets start another RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post Nov 7 2009, 06:31 AM

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I like the F logo from ESRB. laugh.gif
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post Nov 7 2009, 07:28 AM

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Go for it.TF2 is damn good.Been playing the game since i got it on April.Great gameplay.Great comedy.Great support from Valve. Im not a Valve fanboy,but TF2 have impressed me a lot.

Just use your money for MW2 for L4D2,Dragon Age,Mass Effect(9.99USD Offer this weekend) or Torchlight. There are a lot of good games out there. If not,save up for BFBC2,at least DICE is more serious in making BFBC2 a good multiplayer game with a proper MP Beta where IW just ignore it.

At those games are made by people who cared about PC and willing to go for the extra mile to make PC version even better than console version.

I think what H@H@ suggested where IW have lost their touch on PC is beginning to seem true to me.IW is a large corporation.They cant just troll around for teh lulz to piss off PC gamers for fun.Kotick would be pissed if they really do that for teh lulz. laugh.gif

Still,I really got no idea what is IW doing,after what they have done to PC gamers,PC gamers are all probably buying their competitor's products,instead of their product.Maybe they are really confident with their product that there will be a lot of uninformed people who are buying it.

Im quite worried about SC2 and D3 now.

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post Nov 7 2009, 09:44 PM

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Just arrogance.

Wont be buying any games from them.Hope they fall hard.


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