Still not gonna buy this,unless they add dedicated servers.

Lol, you gonna nuke 5-7 enemies only in MP.

Yes,and it's pointless.

It's like taking a C4 to blow up the whole house just to kill an ant when your finger alone is more than enough to kill it.

LMAO, *read a few pages behind and found out someone really did take a game's story SERIOUSLY.

Fail is fail.

I'm looking at the downfall... comeone, 50% discount please, and I might consider to get it.

rm200+ for 6 hours+ SP, no proper MP...

if RM138 like L4D, or L4D2?

Seriously, I'm getting if it's RM138 which i doubted they will reduce their price even for a penny.

still no. because i never really bother about storyline as long as i can have good MP gameplay. took me after a year to actually play thru the SP portion of COD4. killing human players are much more fun than killing bots. now i can only kill like, say, 5 enemies on mp? if, and only if the host don't lag out or decided to kick me cos i kicked his butt in-game. that's pathetic.



plus, i love killing terrorists and their families...undercover or not!!!

Livestream for MW2 (Xbox360)

For those who're not purchasing yet are stilll curious as to how's the MP like.

Why do you need me to tell you what to think? Are you some sort of communist?

But more importantly, why does my assertions provoke such strong emotions from you?

Cod4 IS propaganda. Those of you who say otherwise, say so merely because you are disturbed by that reality and cannot reconcile your hobby with it.

ROFL!

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Added on November 3, 2009, 5:42 pmAnd how do you come to the conclusion that I have issues "with the world"?

Do your views and opinions represent those of "the world"? LMAO!

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Nov 3 2009, 05:42 PM

Oh no kind lord, its just that, you asserted that no game in existence is free from propaganda and as such I've been blinded by it all this while.

Obviously only through your omnipotent sight can I be told of the true nature of gaming.

Oh really? Have I really said that? Or did you reach that conclusion and make that allusion yourself?

My sight is not omnipotent. It is merely that my point of view threatens and offends yours.

Tell me which part of the game is a propaganda? Because there is Americans? The Americans are only appear in 1/4 of the whole game and IW wrote the story with a nuke wiping up thousands of American troops.If they are really spreading American propaganda,wont they make them uber powerful till even 10 nukes cant even kill a single men,rather than killing all of them,including the character you play.

CoD4's campaign is pretty much on Soap,a SAS,not a US Marine.I believe MW2 is gonna be the same.

And,have you even played CoD4's campaign? Or you just merely look at some videos,then,saw some American soldiers shooting some middle east dudes? Then,just go:"OMG,this is a propaganda game!!!!!". Or just because you are imagining that it is a propaganda.

I finished it twice,i dont even recall any propaganda in the game.The whole game is just full of action,like a brainless action movie.

Besides,it's just a game that is meant to be enjoyed.Not worry about whether that it is an American propaganda or not.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Nov 3 2009, 05:57 PM

I did not say that MW2 fails because it is a propaganda game either.

I merely asserted that these decisions were made to also fulfil better a propaganda objective.






A propaganda objective is not necessarily to show strength, might or omnipotence.




Well, I was referring to the in-game voiceover in that video preview of MW2 above.

How do you say that this is not a political game when this is a game about international politics - from a certain point of view - and politics itself determines the story of the game?



I know that's a joke because you obviously have the ability to differentiate between a science fiction storyline versus one that is set in the current era and based on the zeitgeist (or sign of the times).

This was because Relic handled the storyline with GREAT sensitivity.

And it wasn't just German propaganda that was the problem, but also the American one: that American propaganda that portrays the entire German regime as one giant factory of Nazi evil in order to obfuscate the more inconvenient details that get in the way.

I haven't watched the movie, but I have a feeling Inglorious Bastards will fit that bill.

Inconvenient details such as the HUMANITY of the Germans themselves, who were caught between a ruthless fascist regime and external powers that DID seek to subjugate and destroy them as a people.

You stated that I chose not to see propaganda in a game since I claim it is not there... By that logic, I probably missed all the other propaganda in all the games I have played because I was not "keen" enough as you.

If you want to call it propaganda, fine... I'm not stopping you. You stated your case, I argued otherwise, I left it at that.

But to go and accuse me of WILLFULLY ignoring said propaganda as though I am intentionally being ignorant on the subject just so I can continue my happy go lucky life is just bloody uncalled for.

That's akin to character assassination since you're pretty much likened me to some dumbass redneck who just listens to Bush only and ignores all the criticisms.

So, please if you want to continue politicizing this game, do so without resorting to such attacks (Your pro piracy plea in the other thread already puts you nicely in the banhammer's sights) or I will stop your crusade for good.

Does propaganda necessarily have to entail the portrayal of superhuman invincible American soldiers?

I can tell you which parts of the storyline are propaganda, but you seem fixated on the idea that propaganda = portrayals of might and power.



Yes I have played the game.

But I have to ask you also. Do you have the ability to perceive propaganda in news items, political speeches and storylines?

Are you able to understand themes and messages and also the moral of a story, news item, as well as understand what it is trying to appeal to?

Because if you can't, and have never had the ability, I would understand your position.

Brainless action movies, like the Rambo franchise? You would be surprised at how much brains some "brainless" movies actually have.

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Added on November 3, 2009, 6:10 pmNot really. That statement I made was addressed specifically to Luftwacko, and in general to whomever it would apply.

If it does not apply to you, then it doesn't.

But that does not take away the fact that a lot of people are indeed blind to a lot of things for the sole reason that they have chosen to be so. This is not a personal attack. It is merely an assertion of the psychological root of opposition to something as basic as the obvious propaganda inherent in MW2.

Okay, as for my "pro piracy plea", I shall go back into that thread and edit it out. I was unaware of the rules regarding the matter.

You can indeed banhammer me or whatever, or you can instead take the high road and debate or respectfully disagree in a more mature manner.

Because sadly right now all I see are emotional responses to some mere controversial statements I've made. Only Cheesinium has done otherwise and argued in a non-reactive, non-hyperbolic manner.

And also, this is not a crusade. I made a statement and I stand by it in the face of weak attempts to discredit and ridicule it. I don't think I would be doing it justice if I just gave up at the first sign of opposition.

However I don't really have a stake in the argument, meaning I don't really care, so if you think that it's too much do please tell me and I can desist at any time.

But I hope that instead, people are allowed to meaningfully disagree in here.

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Nov 3 2009, 07:01 PM

Any of the CoD game was never a propaganda game.

If you want to talk about propaganda,some of the Tom Clancy's games are propaganda.HAWX is full of this.

If a propaganda does not show strength of a nation,whats the point of it then?

To show people are pathetic are Americans? Thats counter productive.

You clearly have no idea whats this game is on.The voice overs are the russian terrorist talking about a revenge on the Americans for invading middle east in the first game.

It's clear that you never played any CoD games and just jump in to assume it's a propaganda game.

Because it was always meant to be a game that shows the horrors of war(shown by the nuke strike) since CoD1.It was never meant to spread whoever propaganda.

It just borrows the idea from international politics and make a game that is about a story of a few soldiers.

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Added on November 3, 2009, 6:14 pmIf not,what is it for then?

Tell me then,which part of the game is full of propaganda.

Yes,i can.

Rambo is full of American propaganda.



This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Nov 3 2009, 06:14 PM

I have only played CoD4 and 5, I can't speak for the rest of the franchise, and indeed I only speak of Cod4 here.



I agree that Tom Clancy is propaganda. Did you also know that a lot of his novels are ghost written, and that he has ties with well placed and highly connected people and institutions?



Propaganda can be used to achieve a variety of purposes, such as the dehumanisation of the "enemy", or to prepare people to accept losses, and to further indoctrinate people into unquestioning the cassus belli.



Actually I saw nothing pathetic about that nuclear scene. Surviving nuclear blasts in close proximity is quite frankly beyond reasonable expectations.

But the true purpose of that scene is to reinforce a sense of fear and insecurity over fictional nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists in order to legitimise Anglo-American involvement even a times where such weapons of mass destructions in fact do not exist.

Such as in Iraq, such as for Pakistan, such as in Belarus, such as in Iran, in the past, and right now.

Nuclear armed terrorists are a bogeyman that people want you to believe is real.



I have, actually.



The intention of this game has never been to depict the horror of war.



I have given a few examples above.



I have also given examples of this, but quite unfortunately, it has been drowned out by the chorus of disbelief and outrage.

We agree again.

Thats why i never played any Tom Clancy games till HAWX.

CoD does none of these.

Nope.

It's just part of what CoD franchise have been doing - horrors of war.

It is,the first CoD started out with telling a tale of an American paratrooper that is dropped in Normandy,if im not wrong.

It's always about the horrors of war.

I dont see that MW1 has anything much to do with Rambo in terms of propaganda.

By the way, I can do one better.

When MW2 comes out I can deconstruct its story and tell you which parts of it are meant to legitimise and form opinion on the war in Afghanistan, if any.

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Added on November 3, 2009, 6:41 pm

Cool.



Yes it does.



I think that in MW2 the direction has significantly changed, starting with MW1.



I actually did not see anything in it to match the true horror of war.

What do you see in the Rambo franchise that does not exist in MW1?

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Nov 3 2009, 06:41 PM

To harvest support from the public. The nuclear strike inside CoD4 might have no effect to those unrelated. But to those Americans, they view it as what will happen when a so-called terrorist get their hands on a nuclear. Hence, labeling others good/bad.

9/11, from a conspiracy point of view, is one big propoganda for the Americans to justify their invasion towards Middle East countries. The people will be unified towards their political agenda and people will follow what their government told them.

Another view of it is during the Pearl Harbour ambush during World War 2. Sources saying that radar was indeed planted on the island but the citizens were not warned by the officials. Why? Because they need public support to join WW2 and kick Hitler from the throne.

Inglorious Basterd is another one propoganda. They cant kill Hitler IRL, they can always kill him in the movies. Just like how the Arabs been streotyped with.