Don't worry those scrub particles won't clog your pores instead those particles will unclog pores...the smaller the particles the better as it irritates the skin less.

The Hydrating Lotion is actually a hydrating toner but with alcohol. I got oily skin so the amount of moisturization is sufficient for me and I only use it in the daytime. The bottle comes with a drip type nozzle so a few drops onto my palm (a 5 sen size coin puddle) is more than enough to cover my face and neck. The moist emulsion is basically a thicker heavier version of the hydrating lotion. It only comes in 150ml but right now Shiseido does have trial packs which come with 20/30ml hydrating lotion, moisturizing emulsion, cleansing foam and 15ml total revitalizer...all for RM99.

If u do get the Shiseido Men products don't follow the application instructions that tell u to "apply generously" or "use 2 pumps". I followed their instructions initially and it was really way too much for me. Just apply accordingly to your skin's needs should be fine already.

I know that Milk of Magnesia is used by many makeup artists to prep the skin up for makeup. I hear it works very well to control facial oil because it basically closes up the pores so no oil can seep out. I wanted to try it but I have i have also read that many people have complained that they had bad breakouts caused by the pores being clogged with MoM and the alkali nature of MoM.

So please don't claim using MoM is completely safe because some guys here will just follow blindly and might get bad results on their faces. Everyone's mileage always varies

Well a scrub only stays on the skin a few minutes at most so I dun see the risk of the pores getting clogged. Plus how fine can the scrub particles get ? too fine and it serves no purpose already.

This post has been edited by jonny4: Mar 27 2010, 11:04 AM

How is the total revitalizer ? im considering whether or not to get it...

I was told by the SA the moist emulsion is for all skin types. I do agree as I been using it for about a month and it has improved my skin...no breakouts or any side effects even though my skin is oily. Probably at your age u don't need moisturizers just yet...it's the opposite for me as I'm almost reaching 30. The total revitalizer has good anti aging and antioxidant properties so RM250 for 50ml is alright for me.

First thing is to determine whether the moisturizer is the cause of the clogging of pores. Sometimes it's just a coincidence or a combination of products caused the breakouts. Maybe some ingredients in the moisturizer does not suit your skin. Looking at the ingredient list of the moist emulsion I don't see anything that is potentially pore clogging..but some ingredients like Betula Alba (birch bark extract) and Dipotassium Glycyrrhizate (licorice root extract) might be the cause. The other humectants and skin conditioners in the moist emulsion won't clog pores and is probably present in almost all oil free moisturizers. Alcohol can also be another cause as the moist emulsion does contain it but in acceptable amounts for most people. Sorry a bit off topic...

Skin changes and if u r oily skinned now for example things will be different when u r in your 30s...but allergies don't.

Different concentrations of ingredients between the 2 products. U should try it once more to see if the product really is the cause.

Yea that should be the best way to go about it.

I been using it for about a month now and I does seem my skin looks better...but it could caused by other products im using haha. Hydrating Lotion provides basic moisture to skin that's it. If u want something more effective u gotta get the serums and creams I guess...u know the expensive ones LOL.

the 150ml costs RM130. I dun find the packaging weird...it looks very nice and is very functional...it has a drip type nozzle so wont end up using too much. I bought the RM99 trial pack today coz I wanted to try the total revitalizer cream.

I just applied the total revitalizer minutes ago and its really light and goes on smooth...i thought it would be creamy n heavy...it seems more gel than cream. It feels even lighter than the moist emulsion tbh haha. But it's too expensive to use every night so im planning to use it 2-3 nights a week and the moist emulsion on other nights.. The SA at mid valley was very generous and cute...I was given 4 samples..scrub, 2 hydrating lotion and one cleanser...I din even ask for samples and she gave me 4 haha. I probably have enuf Shiseido Men products now to last me one whole year LOL.

This post has been edited by jonny4: Mar 28 2010, 06:04 PM

In my case I have 1 30ml cleanser, a regular size 125ml and 3 more 7ml samples. So that's why i said i got a one year supple haha. Been using my 125ml tube for 1.5months and i think there is still quite a lot left...but i do agree that 6months would be a little on the impossible side. But compared to my other gel based cleanser the Shiseido Cleansing Foam is more economical as I need to use less.

Haven't tried that brand yet. Just look at the ingredients of both and so some research. Glycolic acid and retinol are 2 of the best known ingredients that have been proven to successfully fade acne scars. Take note that these 2 ingredients will cause irritation and photosensitivity.

I find most cleansers that promise oil control, whitening and anti acne to be gimmicks because how effective can the cleanser be when u are going to wash it off anyway. Better u save the money and invest in a good whitening serum.

This post has been edited by jonny4: Mar 28 2010, 11:24 PM

Retinal products take 2-3 months (sometimes up to 6 months) to see a real noticeable difference. Lots of people expect fast results and end up giving up fast. But something like Diacneal is more suited for guys aged 25 and above.

U should give up another month or 2. Not using a strong sunscreen in the day will make lessen the benefit of Diacneal.

This post has been edited by jonny4: Mar 29 2010, 01:26 AM

I've only tried Diacneal but it all depends on how your skin responds to BHA and AHA. Cleanance K is more for light acne/teenage acne with blackhead and whiteheads problems. Diacneal is more for adult type of acne plus the ingredients in Diacneal also very effective in smoothing out wrinkles. Don't use Cleanance K in the day as the BHA and AHA will make your skin very sensitive to sunlight. So the starter kit comes with the usual cleanser, toner and Cleanance K ? IIRC i think it comes with a small can of thermal spring water.

Cleanance K should be able to brighten the scars...but it needs time la...probably a few months..so don't expect instant results...also there is a high possibility of breakouts occurring when u first start using AHA and BHA products...so u got to be patient and persevere. But if the breakouts keep on reoccurring for more den 1 month that means the product don't suit your skin most probably. If Cleanance K doesn't work u can try Diacneal as it is working quite well for me in lightening acne scars. Please let me know whether the Oil control emulsion works or not as I am looking for something that controls oil.

Maybe hormones or heredity factors...

Cleansers with glycolic acid would be suitable for your needs then..I have seen a few good ones online but haven't come across locally. I'll keep a look out for you...what's your budget for face cleanser ?