Same here man other than a little breakouts I get no major side effects.

I'm actually forcing myself to use sunscreen as it will make Diacneal more effective. Currently using Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry Touch SPF50...RM35 for 88ml. This is de best so far as the others I have tried make my face shiny n sticky.

SPF15 is very minimal and its recommended that ppl that are currently using chemical peels like Diacneal to use a min of SPF50. Sunlight especially in a tropical country lie msia still goes through the windows. SPF15 is alright for indoors but if u go out u will need something higher.

I have not used Diacneal in the day before as the less things applied in combo with it the more effective it will be. But yeah should be correct, diacneal than sunscreen moisturizer.

Yea better than nothing. I'm fair skinned so I need more protection fr d sun.

Just to share...

I have very oily skin especially in the t zone area and I have tried many types of oil control moisturizers and products. Stopping short of using foundation powder. Garnier, Neutrogena, Clinique, Biotherm...I have tried all the oil control stuff from them and none worked very well. So I did some research and found a lot of good reviews about Clarins Men Anti Shine Gel. Retails for a pricey RM147 (50ml) but it really works. I was skeptical about all these oil control products after trying out so many. But this Clarins Men product controls oil for a good 5-6 hours but my skin is not dry instead it is very nicely hydrated. There's no 100% oil control but Clarins comes close.

So for any of u guys looking for something to control oil, give Clarins Men Anti Shine Gel a try. I only use it on my t zone because of the price.

I must stress that Clarins did not pay me a cent to post this LOL. I wish they will...a few samples would be nice too haha.

Anyone used the Shiseido Men Hydrating Lotion before ? It's something of a toner/moisturizer in one. Please leave some feedback.

I received a sample of the Shiseido Men Cleansing Foam and was very impressed with it. So now I am interested at other Shiseido Men products.

I certainly do agree with you that when the face is properly hydrated, the body will regulate the oil levels. That's why i looking for products that don't say oil control. These products strips the skin of all oils and the results is even more oil produced by the face. I finally realised this after using the Shiseido Men Cleansing Foam. shiseido SAs keep telling that the toning lotion will be good for me as my skin is oily but I think I'll just go with the Hydrating Lotion as it would be a good toner cum moisturizer.

I am currently using Biotherm and I find their products quite harsh and too much fragrance. Results are minimal. Clarins Men I only like the Anti Shine Gel because it works but too pricey.

Thanks for the advice n feedback !

@kaspersky-fan,

I have tried a lot of the regular pharmacy stuff and so far only Avene has impressed me with their affordable prices and skin friendly products. Cetaphil and Simple didn't work for me as they were too light to cleanse my face properly. I used Cetaphil cleansers for 2 years straight. I still use Simple but only the facial wash gel. So far the worst pharmacy product I have come across and used is the Garnier Men Turbo Light Oil Control Moisturizer. The ingredients on the box showed a lot of promise but when I applied on my skin it felt powdery and sticky. The powder they used to control oil really clogged up my pores and broke me out real bad. Of course if I can save money with cheap facial products I will be happy but so far like I said nothing worked.

Thanks for the advice !

This post has been edited by jonny4: Feb 21 2010, 05:04 PM

I got to agree that stuff from the L'oreal division is too highly fragranced. The first few times its nice and refreshing but after a few weeks the strong fragrance can get really nauseating. But good to hear the cheaper stuff are working for you.

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Added on February 22, 2010, 1:22 pmHow much is the Total Revitalizer Moisturizing cream ? Quite pricey right ?


This post has been edited by jonny4: Feb 22 2010, 01:22 PM

I bought the Shiseido Cleansing Foam just now and i am very impressed. The price and size of the product is deceiving and the SA said that 125ml can last at least 6 months if used twice a day. I was really skeptical but I decided to try it anyway...just now I used probably a pea size amount (maybe smaller) and the foam generated was enough to cover my face, neck, ears and parts of my back too. So yeah I won't be surprised if it lasted 6 months or more. The price is steep, RM 95 for 125ml. In terms of the cleaning power it rivals other high ends stuff I have used. The main difference is the Shiseido cleanser does not leave my face tight or dry. Probably because they don't use Sodium Laureth Sulfate as a foaming agent. If u don't mind spending close to RM100 on a cleanser, the Shiseido one really beats the rest.

I also received a samples of the Hydrating Lotion and Moisturizing Emulsion. The Hydrating Lotion is nice and is a combination of a toner and moisturizer that refreshes the skin and tightens the pores, perfect for my oily skin...I plan to use this in the mornings. This will be a real time saver. Meanwhile the Moisturizing Emulsion seems a little too heavy for day use but absorbs fast into the skin leaving a somewhat matte finish. I will use this only at night as my acne treatments tend to dry up the skin. The Hydrating Lotion retails for RM130 (150ml) but a little goes a long way though so its not too expensive I feel.

The SA was telling me that the Toning Lotion is more suited for my oily skin but in the end it's just an overpriced toner. I think the Hydrating Lotion would be a better choice even though I have oily skin as too much harsh products will make the skin produce more oil. Both Toning and Hydrating Lotion are the same price and same quantity so the Hydrating Lotion seems to be more woth the money as it's a toner/moisturizer.

So that's my take on the Shiseido products I have used. Do note that this is my initial impressions after just one usage. I hope they work for me and if they do I do plan to get the Hydrating Lotion and Moisturizing Emulsion in the future. I will update from time to time on whether these Shiseido Men products are really that good as my initial impressions.

Thanks for reading !

This post has been edited by jonny4: Feb 22 2010, 08:40 PM

Actually I did see a trial kit at the counter consisting of a 20-30ml cleanser, 20ml moisturizer and 15ml total revitalizer. But at that time all I wanted was a cleanser that's why I went for the full size cleanser. IIRC, the trial pack costs RM99.

William Martins website is so outdated...I am a member and I called them just last week. They have downsized their product portfolio significantly. The only brand they stock the full range is Lab Series. I did see some Shiseido Men products the last time I was there, about 5 months ago. Members only get 5% discount atm so I didn't bother going there to get the cleanser. I rather go counter pay full price n get a few samples.

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Added on February 23, 2010, 10:12 amHow many times a day do u use the total revitalizer ? does it make your skin oily ? coz fr the description is sounds to me like it's one of those intense anti aging rich creams.

This post has been edited by jonny4: Feb 23 2010, 10:12 AM

The cleanser is really good...it's a basic cleanser that does it's job well without all the nonsense some products promise but fail to deliver. I have never used so little cleanser in my life. Normally I use a 20sen coin size of cleanser but with Shiseido it's about the size of a 5sen coin (maybe less) to clean my face, neck and ears. There is something in the cleanser that cleans the face very well but doesn't leave it tight at all. Do note that I got oily skin so the Shiseido cleanser may not be suitable for those with dry skin.

The Hydrating Lotion is also good but needs some getting use to as it has a watery consistency. I use about a 5 sen coin amount for my whole face and neck. It hydrates well and leaves a thin layer on the face that seems to stop my face from getting too oily but at the same time hydrates and moisturizes my face well. But some may find this layer a bit uncomfortable at first as it is a bit sticky. I solved this by using less Lotion. The Moisturizing Emulsion is a very thin and light moisturizer that spreads very well. I only use a 10 sen coin amount for the whole face. It is heavier than my existing Clinique M Gel and Biotherm T Pur moisturizers so I'm only using this at night.

Shiseido has a RM99 trial set consisting of a 20-30ml cleanser, 20-30 ml Moisturizing Emulsion (or was it a hydrating lotion..i can't recall properly) and 15ml Total Revitalizer. I spotted this at the Shiseido counter at Parkson 1U. They have another product called the Toning Lotion. I find this one a waste of money as it is quite expensive and does nothing much for the face.

With the 13% discount is should be a a good buy. The current prices on strawberry.net for Shiseido products are only a few ringgit cheaper than the counter.

The trial set would be a good choice for you and would last quite long as a little goes a long way

I was very tempted to get the Toning Lotion initially but when I looked the ingredients list the Toning Lotion was exactly the same as the Hydrating Lotion minus the moisturizing qualities and both the same price. The Hydrating Lotion should suit your combination skin very well. I am quite surprised at how well it hydrates my skin even though I use so little. Funny thing is that only in Asia does Shiseido sell the Toning Lotion. In Europe and North America, only the Hydrating Lotion is available. We Asians sure love toners

After using countless "oil control" toners, all I can say is that I have had enough of toners as they consist mostly of alcohol and witch hazel and don't really do much for my skin. I also believe that too much harsh products to control oil will be counter productive and the face will just produce more oil. But I must admit that I love the refreshing feel of a toner early in the morning. That's why the Hydrating Lotion was like a godsend for me...toner and moisturizer all in one

Try Biore Pore Pack a few times a week. A toner with salicylic acid could work too but i think the Biore is more effective.

Previously I use a lot of products that dry the face up to get rid of oil...toners, cleansers and oil control moisturizers...all were quite harsh and my face just ended up producing more oil. So I am currently trying a different approach where I use more gentle products.

Currently trying Shisiedo Men products. I love the foaming cleanser and ended up buying a full size tube last week. The hydrating lotion i use in the day as a toner/moisturizer and i noticed that my skin is less oily. I mean my skin is not matte or totally oil free but the oil produced reaches a certain level and tends to stop. I think this is because my skin is no longer stripped of all the oils so less oil is produced.

I find all those anti acne cleansers, toners and moisturizers are not that effective. These products are expensive and very harsh on the skin. I have tried brands like Clinique, Lab Series, Biotherm and countless pharmacy brands too. In the end it's the anti acne medication that works best and is most effective. I currently use Avene Diacneal as night for my acne..it's quite good. Check out the face care thread for more info. The Avene brand is not bad too.

I do exfoliate with the Lab Series Invigorating Face Scrub twice a week. It's not a bad scrub but too little ingredients for the RM80 price tag. I will be getting the Clinique Skin Supplies for Men Face Scrub when I am done with the Lab Series one. Other than that I also use the Lab Series Purifying Clay Mask twice a week, a salicylic acid toner once a day at night and a 6% glycolic acid acne treatment at night after the toner. Salicylic acid and glycolic acids are chemical exfoliators that require no rubbing unlike scrubs or exfoliating pads. But can be too much for sensitive skins.

Using an exfoliating pad is fine but make sure it is hygienically kept.

Expensive yes but they last a long time. My Lab Series mask and scrub are still about half full even though I bought them about 4 months ago.

Good to hear that u r liking some of the products ! I agree that the moisturizing emulsion is heavy and greasy. I been using it for a week now and my skin texture actually improved..very smooth and supple. I was expecting to break but it never happened. The trick with using the moisturizing emulsion is to use a small measured amount. I used a 10sen coin size and it was too much...i adjusted and now using a 5sen coin size..seems just right to cover the whole face.

Also I think it's best to apply it this way...apply a 5sen coin amount to palm, spread around both hands (palms n fingers) and massage onto face and neck. Massaging it into the skin is key in order for the moisturizing emulsion to be less greasy and heavy. I used to use Clinique M Gel and the moisturizing emulsion beats it hands down...M Gel is so light that I sometimes can hardly see any noticeable benefit from using it. Same price as the moisturizing emulsion, I rather use the shiseido as a little goes a long way and the full size 100ml is going to last a long time. Btw, I only use the moisturizing emulsion at night as my acne med is strong and dries the skin...not to mention my room is air conditioned. In the day the Hydrating Lotion is awesome as a toner and moisturizer..feels great when applied after shaving. The scrub is disappointing as it's basically the cleanser with some exfoliating beads and granules. I prefer more hardcore scrubs instead of a 2 in 1 scrub-cleanser combo.

Have u used the Clinique Skin Supplies For Men Face Scrub ? Any comments on it ?

Here's my skin care list:

Cleanser: Shiseido Men Cleansing Foam. Quite expensive but does a very good job and I only use about half a pea size amount. 125ml I think can last me at least 6 months. Gentle on skin and never leaves my skin tight.

Toner (day): Shiseido Men Hydrating Lotion. A nice toner-moisturizer that hydrates my oily skin well and prevents excess oil.

Toner (night): Avene Cleanance Anti Shine Purifying Lotion. A very effective but kind on skin toner. Contains salicylic acid (BHA) and the level of alcohol is lower than other toners in the market.

Scrub: Lab Series Invigorating Face Scrub. A very basic scrub but does a good job. Expensive but better than the pharmacy brands that are either too watery or too coarse.

Mask: Lab Series Purifying Clay Mask. Clay, charcoal and salicylic acid makes this quite a good mask. The texture makes it easy to spread and only a thin layer is needed.

Moisturizer (day): Shiseido Men Hydrating Lotion/Clinique M Gel Lotion. On the days I shave i use the Shiseido. However I am not impressed with the Clinique and will not repurchase.

Moisturizer (night): Shiseido Moisturizing Emulsion. One of the best I have used because it does what it promises to. I have oily skin but I believe that oil is better controlled when the skin is sufficiently hydrated. I love the texture and I only need a 5sen coin size amount for my whole face and neck.

Oil Control (day): Clarins Anti Shine Gel. I have tried a few oil control moisturizers before but this one delivers. On a normal day I get 4-5 hours of matte oil free skin. But I don't think I will repurchase as the price is a killer. RM147 for 50ml tube.

Anti Acne (night): Avene Diacneal. Having used numerous acne meds before this, Diacneal was my last hope before going on prescription meds. It is good stuff but not for those that want immediate results. Some ladies I know even use this as an anti aging cream.

Sunscreen: Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry Touch Sunblock SPF50. I need to use sunscreen as the AHA in Diacneal makes my skin photosensitive. This sunscreen is one of the cheapest but less oily ones I can find. Gives quite a matte finish.

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Added on February 28, 2010, 10:19 pmNot easy to get rid of blackheads yourself man. go to one of those skin care places and get the beautician to manually extract the blackheads. After that use a toner with salicylic acid to prevent the blackheads from forming. Scrubs and masks can be used to but not daily. When buying products for blackheads always make sure it contains salicylic acid (BHA) and in good amounts. Biore Pore pack can also be used weekly to get rid of blackheads but can be a little tough on sensitive skin.

This post has been edited by jonny4: Feb 28 2010, 10:19 PM

Then it might be time for a facial LOL

I have not gone for one myself.

I also noticed that if u apply the moisturizing emulsion right after cleansing, it will absorb better and have a better finish. It works well as an aftershave too haha. I do like Clinique M Gel but it costs RM140 (100ml) and is too basic of a moisturizer to warrant such a high price. At the moment Shiseido Moist. Emulsion seems like a better option for me.

Thanks for the scrub suggestions but I have read that for my acne prone skin, the best scrubs are the ones with small polyethylene beads. this minimizes the risk of infection caused by sharp exfoliating particles. For example the St.Ives Apricot scrub uses crushed apricot shells/seeds. I will definitely check out the Dermalogica and Skin Food suggestions.

Yea I am aware of the order in the ingredients list. That's why I stopped using Clinique toners because of the very high alcohol content LOL.

Not as high as the Clinique toner

I've got oily skin so some alcohol can be tolerated.